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Posted: 9/14/2020 7:09:51 PM EDT
“The successor to the G36, the standard assault rifle of the Bundeswehr, is to be manufactured in Suhl, Thuringia, in the future. The MK556 from CG Haenel emerged as the winner from the evaluation of the offers submitted in the award procedure, the German news agency dpa reported. An official confirmation from the Federal Ministry of Defense, which Soldat & Technik submitted to the Defense Ministry last week, is still pending. The decision of the awarding authority is still subject to a possible complaint or judicial review proceedings before the awarding chamber. The two companies were only informed of the decision earlier this week.

The MK556 is a fully automatic machine with a caliber of 5.56 x 45 mm. The MK stands for "machine carabiner". The weapon was first presented by the manufacturer in 2017 and follows the AR15 architecture, works with a short-stroke gas piston system and has an adjustable gas tap. Barrels with 10.5 ?, 12.5 ?, 14.5 ? and 16 ? are available as standard.”

https://soldat-und-technik.de/2020/09/bewaffnung/23623/system-sturmgewehr-bundeswehr-c-g-haenel-gewinnt-ausschreibung-um-die-g-36-nachfolge/

Blame Chrome for the auto-translate.

Winning company is owned by Caracal, which offered what looks to be an updated Caracal 816, which is an updated Sig 516, that is in turn a derivative of the HK 416.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:20:23 PM EDT
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Oh boy.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:24:09 PM EDT
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Maybe they will focus on civilian sales
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:25:58 PM EDT
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They shouldn't even waste the money on buying new rifles. The ones they have will work just fine since they avoid engaging in active combat anyway. The German military has turned into a joke.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:28:19 PM EDT
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So they bought a triple ripoff of the 416?

K den
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:29:16 PM EDT
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Maybe they should concentrate on other areas of their extremely lacking military
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:31:15 PM EDT
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German G36 replaced by a Turkish rifle?

Fucking lol! The world truly has gone mad.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:31:50 PM EDT
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Turkish company?
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:32:01 PM EDT
[#8]
But our military is buying their way overpriced crap. Perfect.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:33:08 PM EDT
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Hy crap... the HK433 lost?!
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:35:23 PM EDT
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Soon to be a joglee thread.

Fuck you HK!
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:36:29 PM EDT
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Arab. Caracal is based in the UAE.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:37:36 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:38:10 PM EDT
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Lol.

Who Hates their Kustomers now?
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:39:52 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:40:28 PM EDT
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So an Anderson Arms AR15 with a Grip Zone ?  


Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:41:36 PM EDT
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Wonder how long until HK files for bankruptcy
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:42:11 PM EDT
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So cheap US imports coming soon?
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:42:23 PM EDT
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Wasn't HK just in bankruptcy?  Or missed a debt payment?
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:47:43 PM EDT
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It's an AR15.

What am I missing here?
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:48:35 PM EDT
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I really think HK is going to do what Sig did. Move more and more of their production to the US. A lot of the reasons we don't get guns like the G36, UMP, and so on is because of how restrictive the German govt is with German arms makers. HK wants to sell the US market PCC versions of the G36 and others but because those are made in German it is very hard to export them. HK has a factory in Columbus, GA. Hopefully they will expand and start making more stuff here.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:49:26 PM EDT
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Looks like CG Haenel is a zombie brand dead since the end of WWII, Caracal resurrected them in 2008, making shotguns and a bolt action hunting rifle: CG Haenel

That's fast work, zip to contract for the new service rifle in 12 years.  That had to cost a shitload of money.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:50:47 PM EDT
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Is that a FAB Defense grip......LOFL!
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:51:07 PM EDT
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Person in charge of purchasing, turkish by any chance?
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:56:08 PM EDT
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I don't buy guns made by my enemies. I'd rather support my own countries businesses. HK is now made in USA depending upon what gun. So is Glock.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 7:57:20 PM EDT
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That was Colt.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:00:04 PM EDT
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They'll be dropping out any day now.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:00:13 PM EDT
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Civvie G36?

Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:10:30 PM EDT
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want to know what those two countries have in common?
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:15:47 PM EDT
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I am pretty sure Caracal is Jordanian, and is highly regarded. So, not Turkish.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:17:15 PM EDT
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Is it...Turks?
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:18:26 PM EDT
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Kebab?  Or so I learned from Polandball
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:20:18 PM EDT
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Maybe this will motivate them to expand civilian US sales.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:21:25 PM EDT
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I want an MP 7 damn it.

the German army has tranny commanders anyways, they can be easily streamed rolled by Russia in 24 hours.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:24:13 PM EDT
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I really think HK is going to do what Sig did. Move more and more of their production to the US. A lot of the reasons we don't get guns like the G36, UMP, and so on is because of how restrictive the German govt is with German arms makers. HK wants to sell the US market PCC versions of the G36 and others but because those are made in German it is very hard to export them. HK has a factory in Columbus, GA. Hopefully they will expand and start making more stuff here.
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I wouldnt mind one of those 433 rifles
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:24:34 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:25:24 PM EDT
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I am pretty sure Caracal is Jordanian, and is highly regarded. So, not Turkish.
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Fucking lol! The world truly has gone mad.

I am pretty sure Caracal is Jordanian, and is highly regarded. So, not Turkish.


UAE, unless they moved/sold out
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:26:25 PM EDT
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Interesting....

https://i.imgur.com/2HsuRW9.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3a3A6Bd.jpg

HK sold the SLB2000 design to Merkel and Haenel.

I have a SLB2000.
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I wish someone would resurrect the HK SL-6 and SL-7
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:28:03 PM EDT
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Rob Pincus used to pimp their stuff so...
I know he's a GD favorite.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:28:54 PM EDT
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Payback for shit canning the FN P90 into NATO ??
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:28:58 PM EDT
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So Germany is buying rifles from the Middle East instead of HK and they have a tranny in charge of their military...

LOL.


Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:29:49 PM EDT
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I’d hitch my wagon to a real star next time.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:30:08 PM EDT
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I was gonna say, isn't the Haenel an HK416 in every way?
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:31:14 PM EDT
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How embarrassing, for both HK and Germany!

Guess they'd be start dropping prices on those SP5s!
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:31:59 PM EDT
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I really think HK is going to do what Sig did. Move more and more of their production to the US. A lot of the reasons we don't get guns like the G36, UMP, and so on is because of how restrictive the German govt is with German arms makers. HK wants to sell the US market PCC versions of the G36 and others but because those are made in German it is very hard to export them. HK has a factory in Columbus, GA. Hopefully they will expand and start making more stuff here.
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They can't just move those guns to the US, IIRC German law won't even let them export the technical data package needed to make their own black rifles unless it is for military sales. Otherwise they must design the gun overseas. Pistols can go, but not the rifles.

Kharn
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:33:08 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:33:34 PM EDT
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How the fuck does Steyr-Rheinmetall not win this?


Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:34:02 PM EDT
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They can't just move those guns to the US, IIRC German law won't even let them export the technical data package needed to make their own black rifles unless it is for military sales. Otherwise they must design the gun overseas. Pistols can go, but not the rifles.

Kharn
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I really think HK is going to do what Sig did. Move more and more of their production to the US. A lot of the reasons we don't get guns like the G36, UMP, and so on is because of how restrictive the German govt is with German arms makers. HK wants to sell the US market PCC versions of the G36 and others but because those are made in German it is very hard to export them. HK has a factory in Columbus, GA. Hopefully they will expand and start making more stuff here.

They can't just move those guns to the US, IIRC German law won't even let them export the technical data package needed to make their own black rifles unless it is for military sales. Otherwise they must design the gun overseas. Pistols can go, but not the rifles.

Kharn

Then we'll just steal their talent, leaving a brain drained craphole husk of a company.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:34:36 PM EDT
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Other than the collection factor or the cool factor of a G36, who wants a weapon that is a third tier 5.56 rifle?

Especially at the price point?
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:35:56 PM EDT
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I know you're just meming, but for the uninformed, this is factually untrue. Many of the G36 rifles they have are pretty worn out.
Link Posted: 9/14/2020 8:37:03 PM EDT
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I had no idea that the Bunderswehr are poors.
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