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Posted: 10/6/2023 12:24:40 PM EDT
 https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2023/10/06/butterfly-knives-legal-ban-hawaii/71075888007/ Hawaii ban overturned In Hawaii, butterfly knives have been illegal for the past 30 years. That ban was overturned by a Ninth Circuit Court decision in August, with the court ruling the ban unconstitutional. The court ruled that the knives are protected under the Second Amendment. The issue began with a 2019 appeal challenging the legality of Hawaii's law, leading to the August ruling.  Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel recently joined 17 other state attorneys general in supporting Hawaii in seeking to reinstate the butterfly knives ban. “The Ninth Circuit’s decision striking down Hawaii’s butterfly knife ban is misguided and ignores the ‘common use’ test,” Nessel said. "I stand firmly with my colleagues in supporting the right of states to ban extremely dangerous weapons and ask the Ninth Circuit for a panel rehearing in this case."  Other than that, a pretty slow news day for Michigan... other than this gem. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 12:34:35 PM EDT
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The only thing dangerous about them is trying to learn how to use them.
It's all Hollywood bullshit. Anyone who actually learns to fight with it a knife knows that's about the last knife you want. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 12:37:50 PM EDT
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I can't believe the 9th Circuit ignored the plain text of the Constution "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms in common use shall not be infringed."
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Posted: 10/6/2023 12:38:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only thing dangerous about them is trying to learn how to use them. It's all Hollywood bullshit. Anyone who actually learns to fight with it a knife knows that's about the last knife you want. Any of the training I've done with friends who know how to fight taught me that I don't want to fight with any knife. I got a lot of red marks on me, and would have been very leaky. I learned I like guns, distance, and being polite. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 12:40:21 PM EDT
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What makes a butterfly knife more dangerous than any other knife? I’ve got butterfly knives, folders, fixed blade, etc and would go for one of my fixed blade knives first.
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Posted: 10/6/2023 12:51:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any of the training I've done with friends who know how to fight taught me that I don't want to fight with any knife. I got a lot of red marks on me, and would have been very leaky. I learned I like guns, distance, and being polite. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only thing dangerous about them is trying to learn how to use them. It's all Hollywood bullshit. Anyone who actually learns to fight with it a knife knows that's about the last knife you want. Any of the training I've done with friends who know how to fight taught me that I don't want to fight with any knife. I got a lot of red marks on me, and would have been very leaky. I learned I like guns, distance, and being polite. I agree. That is fine as long as it is a choice you make for yourself. I made the same choice for me. But it is not fine if someone else makes that choice for you. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 12:55:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't believe the 9th Circuit ignored the plain text of the Constution "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms in common use shall not be infringed." Don't forget about the for self defense part. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 12:56:42 PM EDT
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butterfly knife is the same as any other folding knife, it just has an extra handle. I don't personally like butterfly knives but damn calling them dangerous is bullshit. They are no more dangerous then any other kind of knife.
Ignorant people seem to believe the butterfly aspect of this knife makes it super ninja dangerous or something. It's ridiculous. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 12:59:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: butterfly knife is the same as any other folding knife, it just has an extra handle. I don't personally like butterfly knives but damn calling them dangerous is bullshit. They are no more dangerous then any other kind of knife. Ignorant people seem to believe the butterfly aspect of this knife makes it super ninja dangerous or something. It's ridiculous. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 1:01:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3 wheeled ATVs would murder sleeping families in the dead of the night. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: butterfly knife is the same as any other folding knife, it just has an extra handle. I don't personally like butterfly knives but damn calling them dangerous is bullshit. They are no more dangerous then any other kind of knife. Ignorant people seem to believe the butterfly aspect of this knife makes it super ninja dangerous or something. It's ridiculous. I had a Honda ATC 110 3 wheeler between ages 6 and 10. Ah those were the good ol days..... No helmet either yet here I am. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 1:09:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/6/2023 1:12:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. That is fine as long as it is a choice you make for yourself. I made the same choice for me. But it is not fine if someone else makes that choice for you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The only thing dangerous about them is trying to learn how to use them. It's all Hollywood bullshit. Anyone who actually learns to fight with it a knife knows that's about the last knife you want. Any of the training I've done with friends who know how to fight taught me that I don't want to fight with any knife. I got a lot of red marks on me, and would have been very leaky. I learned I like guns, distance, and being polite. I agree. That is fine as long as it is a choice you make for yourself. I made the same choice for me. But it is not fine if someone else makes that choice for you. Oh, I have a folding knife in my pocket, and a fixed blade here at my desk I just used on my lunch. It was a commentary on "BUTTERFLY KNIVES SO MUCHO DANGEROUS WE GOTTA BAN THEM!!!!!" Just shows how ignorant some people are. Which is fine... right up to the point they try shoving their ignorace down someone else's throat. At that point they deserve to have a dunce hat stapled to their head. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 1:12:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget about the for self defense part. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't believe the 9th Circuit ignored the plain text of the Constution "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms in common use shall not be infringed." Don't forget about the for self defense part. Not in the 9th Circuit version. "Hunting deer and skeet shooting, being the only acceptable sporting uses, the right of the people to keep and bear arms in common use shall not be infringed." |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 1:13:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryERMAHGERD!!! Are you sure you are still alive? Are those ALL your's!?!? 
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Posted: 10/6/2023 1:13:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes a butterfly knife more dangerous than any other knife? I've got butterfly knives, folders, fixed blade, etc and would go for one of my fixed blade knives first. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 1:15:53 PM EDT
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regarding "common use", I wonder how many butterfly knives have been sold, as well as switchblades. get some real numbers from manufacturers to exceed Caetano numbers and even that claim is out the window.
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Posted: 10/6/2023 1:26:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because mostly brown people carried them. Same reason switchblades are illegal - most of the users were Italian. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What makes a butterfly knife more dangerous than any other knife? I've got butterfly knives, folders, fixed blade, etc and would go for one of my fixed blade knives first. It was those damn Sharks, man. If only Bernardo hadn't pushed Tony, we wouldn't have these problems, man. (West Side Story debuted in 1957. The Anti-Switchblade Act was signed into law the following year.) |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 1:32:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/6/2023 1:36:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: regarding "common use", I wonder how many butterfly knives have been sold, as well as switchblades. get some real numbers from manufacturers to exceed Caetano numbers and even that claim is out the window. Common use is such a silly idea. No new technology could ever become lawful if that's the threshold. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 1:50:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because mostly brown people carried them. Same reason switchblades are illegal - most of the users were Italian. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What makes a butterfly knife more dangerous than any other knife? I've got butterfly knives, folders, fixed blade, etc and would go for one of my fixed blade knives first. It's unreal how many bans were targeted at the undesirables of the day. Drugs were banned incrementally too, based on who the people in power didn't like. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 1:58:42 PM EDT
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A $.99 steak knife will make a motherfucker just as dead as a butterfly knife will.
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Posted: 10/6/2023 2:02:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/6/2023 2:19:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any of the training I've done with friends who know how to fight taught me that I don't want to fight with any knife. I got a lot of red marks on me, and would have been very leaky. I learned I like guns, distance, and being polite. Pffff. Knife fighting is totally safe, you just gotta wear the right clothes!  
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Posted: 10/6/2023 2:23:12 PM EDT
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I like that one video with the guy flipping a couple of butterfly knives and he’s like tossing and catching them behind his back and over his head and kicking them up like hacky sacks… until one sticks straight right in the side of his foot. It went ALL the way in. He was leakin through his sneakers… LOL, dumbass.
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Posted: 10/6/2023 2:23:40 PM EDT
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Butterfly knives are unusually dangerous compared to flipper/spring assist/Emerson Wave/Spiderhole knives, the same way an H&R Topper is more dangerous than a Remington 1100.
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Posted: 10/6/2023 2:24:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: regarding "common use", I wonder how many butterfly knives have been sold, as well as switchblades. get some real numbers from manufacturers to exceed Caetano numbers and even that claim is out the window. I have two butterfly knives within arms reach right now. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 2:30:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: regarding "common use", I wonder how many butterfly knives have been sold, as well as switchblades. get some real numbers from manufacturers to exceed Caetano numbers and even that claim is out the window. But they're not in common use in Hawaii where they've been illegal for 30 years which means it's okay for them to be illegal in Hawaii. C'mon man. Same argument gets trotted out for MGs and is bogus for the same reason. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 2:33:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because mostly brown people carried them. Same reason switchblades are illegal - most of the users were Italian. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 2:38:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But they're not in common use in Hawaii where they've been illegal for 30 years which means it's okay for them to be illegal in Hawaii. C'mon man. Same argument gets trotted out for MGs and is bogus for the same reason. This is one of the reasons that some of us believe SBRs may get split out of the NFA, and possibly suppressors after that. These are items that are in common use DESPITE illegal restrictions. MGs are an interesting one, because NFA was the solution when they believed an all out ban wouldn’t pass constitutional muster. I don’t think we’ll see MGs removed from the NFA in my lifetime, but I could certainly see the Hughes Amendment overturned in the next few years. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 2:42:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes a butterfly knife more dangerous than any other knife? I’ve got butterfly knives, folders, fixed blade, etc and would go for one of my fixed blade knives first. It's dangerous to the operator, not really others unless you send it flying across the room. No, they're scary and intimidating. That's why. That's it. Oh yeah, and "undesirables". At the restaurant I would bust out my Benchmade 67 and flip it around and open boxes. I turn around and my coworkers and underlings were like 
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Posted: 10/6/2023 2:43:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ERMAHGERD!!! Are you sure you are still alive? Are those ALL your's!?!? Yes, all mine. And I'm still alive. Technically. Quality balisongs are not cheap either. Nearly 5k in that picture. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 2:47:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: butterfly knife is the same as any other folding knife, it just has an extra handle. I don't personally like butterfly knives but damn calling them dangerous is bullshit. They are no more dangerous then any other kind of knife. Ignorant people seem to believe the butterfly aspect of this knife makes it super ninja dangerous or something. It's ridiculous. That is now ingrained in the psyche of boomer politicians and smooth brained Democrats who can't separate fiction from fact. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 2:55:46 PM EDT
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Dana Nessel is a certified fascist cunt.
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Posted: 10/6/2023 2:57:12 PM EDT
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fwiw, Gerber makes a butterfly machete.
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Posted: 10/6/2023 2:58:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes a butterfly knife more dangerous than any other knife? I’ve got butterfly knives, folders, fixed blade, etc and would go for one of my fixed blade knives first. Hollywood. Same as switchblades. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 3:03:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is one of the reasons that some of us believe SBRs may get split out of the NFA, and possibly suppressors after that. These are items that are in common use DESPITE illegal restrictions. MGs are an interesting one, because NFA was the solution when they believed an all out ban wouldn’t pass constitutional muster. I don’t think we’ll see MGs removed from the NFA in my lifetime, but I could certainly see the Hughes Amendment overturned in the next few years. I was thinking about the ATF claiming bumpstocks are MGs. Let’s say we agreed with that. Estimate I last saw was something like 500k+ in public hands. That number would satisfy common use. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 3:26:58 PM EDT
[#36]
Butterfly knives are far more dangerous to the novice user than others around them.
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Posted: 10/6/2023 3:50:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: butterfly knife is the same as any other folding knife, it just has an extra handle. I don't personally like butterfly knives but damn calling them dangerous is bullshit. They are no more dangerous then any other kind of knife. Ignorant people seem to believe the butterfly aspect of this knife makes it super ninja dangerous or something. It's ridiculous. It's because stupid people like to ban things that look scary to them. "Oh noes! If we don't ban switchblades, there'll be all this dancing in the streets!" Butterfly knife = scary martial arts knife. Same reason downward/spiking elbows are banned in the UFC. One of the folks involved in the regs, was at one of those martial arts demos and saw someone perform one of those stacked ice block breaks with a downward elbow, and immediately thought, "Oh noes! Too dangerous!", and had the technique banned, not understanding that the 'slashing elbow' that's allowed, is also used for breaking demos, and in fact, can deliver even more force from the body torque. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 4:07:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Common use is such a silly idea. No new technology could ever become lawful if that's the threshold. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: regarding "common use", I wonder how many butterfly knives have been sold, as well as switchblades. get some real numbers from manufacturers to exceed Caetano numbers and even that claim is out the window. Common use is such a silly idea. No new technology could ever become lawful if that's the threshold. yup, would agree. how will we ever be able to get a Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range if they are permitted to ban them before they are able to be sold enough to become common. but, since we have that ruling that anything in common use can't be unusual, then that is the standard right now. Quoted: Quoted: regarding "common use", I wonder how many butterfly knives have been sold, as well as switchblades. get some real numbers from manufacturers to exceed Caetano numbers and even that claim is out the window. But they're not in common use in Hawaii where they've been illegal for 30 years which means it's okay for them to be illegal in Hawaii. C'mon man. Same argument gets trotted out for MGs and is bogus for the same reason. wasn't saying that at all. just like stun guns weren't legal in Mass for Caetano so how could they ever be in common use there? SCOTUS did not limiit it requiring it to be common in Mass to rule it unconstitutional |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 4:14:37 PM EDT
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we used to bring them to school in the 80s. teacher would say put those away, before you cut yourselves. recess, gym class were like a kung fu movie, nobody cared
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Posted: 10/6/2023 4:28:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because mostly brown people carried them. Same reason switchblades are illegal - most of the users were Italian. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What makes a butterfly knife more dangerous than any other knife? I've got butterfly knives, folders, fixed blade, etc and would go for one of my fixed blade knives first. That’s because the Irish wouldn’t let them have guns See NYC’s Sullivan Law… |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 4:30:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Pffff. Knife fighting is totally safe, you just gotta wear the right clothes! https://i.pinimg.com/originals/eb/a6/d4/eba6d4aa610e3bbd73b52a9c94d9c2a2.jpg https://collections.royalarmouries.org/media/emumedia/322/261/large_TR_73.jpg I have a GooLoo jump starter too. Bring it on |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 4:32:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some slick-haired greaser in some 50's gang movie used one once to shank a rival gang member. That is now ingrained in the psyche of boomer politicians and smooth brained Democrats who can't separate fiction from fact. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: butterfly knife is the same as any other folding knife, it just has an extra handle. I don't personally like butterfly knives but damn calling them dangerous is bullshit. They are no more dangerous then any other kind of knife. Ignorant people seem to believe the butterfly aspect of this knife makes it super ninja dangerous or something. It's ridiculous. That is now ingrained in the psyche of boomer politicians and smooth brained Democrats who can't separate fiction from fact. Literally just like suppressors. 
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Posted: 10/6/2023 4:47:29 PM EDT
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There are at least 3 of them in my house.
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Posted: 10/6/2023 4:58:48 PM EDT
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Butterfly knives are primarily a danger to the user
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Posted: 10/17/2023 12:13:11 AM EDT
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 EXCITING 9th CIRCUIT NEWS: Anti-gunners Desperate as Terrific Brief Filed in Arms (Knife) Ban Case tl;dw: an obscure knife law case in Hawaii (and seemingly slam-dunk win for us good guys) might be more important for the 2A than many realize, due to it possibly setting post-Bruen precedent in the 9th circus. More or less.
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Posted: 10/17/2023 12:33:18 AM EDT
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And what, supposedly, makes a butterfly knife more dangerous than any other knife?
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Posted: 10/17/2023 12:41:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't believe the 9th Circuit ignored the plain text of the Constution "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms in common use shall not be infringed." I can't believe you didn't know the 9th Circuit doesn't read the Constitution. They are the most liberal and most overturned of the Circuit Courts. |
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Posted: 10/17/2023 12:42:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And what, supposedly, makes a butterfly knife more dangerous than any other knife? |
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Posted: 10/17/2023 12:45:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes a butterfly knife more dangerous than any other knife? I’ve got butterfly knives, folders, fixed blade, etc and would go for one of my fixed blade knives first. I had one a friend gave me years ago. It was a piece of crap but did make a decent letter opener. If you have to resort to a letter opener for self-defense, you are really screwed. |
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Posted: 10/17/2023 12:47:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And what, supposedly, makes a butterfly knife more dangerous than any other knife?  Politicians get worked up over banning the dumbest crap. |
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