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Quoted: NOTE: I didnt see him fire a primed case. Just because the striker fired doesnt mean it would have struck the primer and fired a round. If the FP safety is correctly designed, it still should not fire. We already have Sig’s internal testing documents showing primer strikes on primers. |
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Quoted: NOTE: I didnt see him fire a primed case. Just because the striker fired doesnt mean it would have struck the primer and fired a round. If the FP safety is correctly designed, it still should not fire. I could have sworn I saw him pull each case and at least once show the case head to the camera. I wasn’t watching on a screen large enough to see if there was a primer intentation … but I wasn’t exactly looking for that detail at the time, I was just trying to replicate it with my 320. I should try putting the chassis into the original frame/grip it came with to see if that changes anything. Mine’s in a Wilson Combat grip and there was very little to no play (up/down or side/side) movement in mine. |
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Quoted: NOTE: I didnt see him fire a primed case. Just because the striker fired doesnt mean it would have struck the primer and fired a round. If the FP safety is correctly designed, it still should not fire. he fired 5 primed cases in a row, thats why the video moves out into his shed/barn cause his wife won't let him fire them in the house.... he does 1 then goes "oh crap. I am going to load more" he does 4 more after that like I said earlier.. most cops all use Safariland ALS holsters which lock by a block pressing on the slide at the ejection port so could be a valid test |
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Quoted: he fired 5 primed cases in a row, thats why the video moves out into his shed/barn cause his wife won't let him fire them in the house.... he does 1 then goes "oh crap. I am going to load more" he does 4 more after that like I said earlier.. most cops all use Safariland ALS holsters which lock by a block pressing on the slide at the ejection port so could be a valid test Quoted: Quoted: NOTE: I didnt see him fire a primed case. Just because the striker fired doesnt mean it would have struck the primer and fired a round. If the FP safety is correctly designed, it still should not fire. he fired 5 primed cases in a row, thats why the video moves out into his shed/barn cause his wife won't let him fire them in the house.... he does 1 then goes "oh crap. I am going to load more" he does 4 more after that like I said earlier.. most cops all use Safariland ALS holsters which lock by a block pressing on the slide at the ejection port so could be a valid test Thanks. I just skimmed the first part of the vid to see his mode of failure. If the pistol will actually fire without the trigger being pulled to the firing position, that is a SERIOUS DESIGN FLAW. All other things being secondary. (and my favorite pistol, the 1911, not withstanding  )It boggles my mind that Sig would not get in front of this issue. |
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Quoted: We already have Sig’s internal testing documents showing primer strikes on primers. Quoted: We already have Sig’s internal testing documents showing primer strikes on primers. Quoted: We already have Sig’s internal testing documents showing primer strikes on primers. Quoted: I could have sworn I saw him pull each case and at least once show the case head to the camera. I wasn’t watching on a screen large enough to see if there was a primer intentation … but I wasn’t exactly looking for that detail at the time, I was just trying to replicate it with my 320. I should try putting the chassis into the original frame/grip it came with to see if that changes anything. Mine’s in a Wilson Combat grip and there was very little to no play (up/down or side/side) movement in mine. I just didn't watch far enough. And I've not followed the 320 debacle more than barely in passing. But, mechanical stuff interests me and I saw this thread, so... I almost wish I'd kept the one I had to more closely examine it. |
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Quoted: The OMG he pulled the trigger people are really ok with a pistol which slight trigger pull is enough to allow a bump to the slide ro cause it to fire? I’m responsible for every round that leaves a gun. I dammed sure don’t want a gun that can decide on it’s own before a full trigger pull to send a round, Imagine being in a stressed shooting situation, you put pressure on the trigger but don’t have the target perfect, and then bang the gun on cover only to realize you just shot someone by accident because the gun sent the round in it’s own? I’m sorry, that gun is a great way to end someone else's life, or your own via lawsuits. Range toy maybe. But not a practical carry/duty handgun. "The OMG he pulled the trigger people" are pointing out that an explanation for a pistol firing without a trigger pull which requires pulling the trigger, isn't much of an explanation. I believe the P320 has a problem, but I don't think this video contributes anything terribly meaningful. The trigger on a P320 is supposed to defeat the striker safety then lower the sear until the striker slips off of it, so it's pretty obvious that if you pull the trigger just the right amount you'll end up defeating the striker safety and reducing sear engagement until it's less than the vertical slop in the slide. |
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At risk of snarky ridicule, I dont see how the grip frame can affect the slide to FCU connection in a major way? The slide interfaces on the rails and the rails determine the maximum distance of the slide from the FCU. (slop) And thus the sear. If the grip was a little taller, I guess it could force the slide up but the play would have to already exist between the FCU rails and the slide. If there was minimal play the frame would just bind on the slide. The FCU is pretty stout and the rails are thick. Could someones body weight flex the FCU? Maybe yes. But I dont feel a ill fitting or out of spec grip frame could tweak the slide. I could see a out of spec grip cause a slide to not go all the way into battery. But Sig added the OOB disconnect during the first recall. That is what the machined recession is on the slide and the goose head looking part on the FCU. |
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Quoted: At risk of snarky ridicule, I dont see how the grip frame can affect the slide to FCU connection in a major way? The slide interfaces on the rails and the rails determine the maximum distance of the slide from the FCU. (slop) And thus the sear. If the grip was a little taller, I guess it could force the slide up but the play would have to already exist between the FCU rails and the slide. If there was minimal play the frame would just bind on the slide. The FCU is pretty stout and the rails are thick. Could someones body weight flex the FCU? Maybe yes. But I dont feel a ill fitting or out of spec grip frame could tweak the slide. I could see a out of spec grip cause a slide to not go all the way into battery. But Sig added the OOB disconnect during the first recall. That is what the machined recession is on the slide and the goose head looking part on the FCU. Maybe a possibility there is a fulcrum point forward of the sear to striker contact area. Could be levering or walking the striker up and off the sear contact surface as it’s bumped/jostled (incrementally or in whole). |
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Quoted: The redesign is what the P365 has. If so, I’m relieved. I pocket carried my 365 to church today. Would hate to ND there… or anywhere actually. I’d have to think that a loaded, chambered pistol, in a Mika’s pocket holster (covers trigger completely), with all the flex and lateral movement associated with walking, sitting, stairs, etc… would be prone to failure if so designed. Bet this is going to be a stacking tolerances issue. A new FCU might fix, but maybe not making crap at the cheapest source would? Both? Add in large org maintenance and variations of expertise… and you have a witches brew of potential failures that can over ride the safety margins supposedly designed in. And it looks as if it has killed at least one. Awful. |
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I have a few questions. 1. Has there been any reports of the CA Sig M18 model discharging? I assume sig sold a fuck load of these in CA. 2. Has there been any reports of the Franklin Armory CA320 discharging? I assume this would be a 1/1 copy. 3. Have there been any reported issues with 80% 320's(JSD etc) discharging? It would be interesting to see the FCU compared in a technical/mechanical setting. |
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Quoted: I have a few questions. 1. Has there been any reports of the CA Sig M18 model discharging? I assume sig sold a fuck load of these in CA. 2. Has there been any reports of the Franklin Armory CA320 discharging? I assume this would be a 1/1 copy. 3. Have there been any reported issues with 80% 320's(JSD etc) discharging? It would be interesting to see the FCU compared in a technical/mechanical setting. The CA model is mechanically the same as all the fucked up guns. |
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Have we done the video where the guy shows that due to it's design the 320 requires a specific disassembly and reassembly process? If you do it like most other pistols it can result in the sear being barely engaged. No dog in this fight but there is likely something going on with the pistols whether it is training or design. |
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Quoted: If so, I’m relieved. I pocket carried my 365 to church today. Would hate to ND there… or anywhere actually. I’d have to think that a loaded, chambered pistol, in a Mika’s pocket holster (covers trigger completely), with all the flex and lateral movement associated with walking, sitting, stairs, etc… would be prone to failure if so designed. Bet this is going to be a stacking tolerances issue. A new FCU might fix, but maybe not making crap at the cheapest source would? Both? Add in large org maintenance and variations of expertise… and you have a witches brew of potential failures that can over ride the safety margins supposedly designed in. And it looks as if it has killed at least one. Awful. the 365 is a different design for the FCU than the 320 |
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Quoted: Have we done the video where the guy shows that due to it's design the 320 requires a specific disassembly and reassembly process? If you do it like most other pistols it can result in the sear being barely engaged. No dog in this fight but there is likely something going on with the pistols whether it is training or design. Was reading up on the reassembly process and it would seem a very temperamental firearm. |
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Quoted: If so, I’m relieved. I pocket carried my 365 to church today. Would hate to ND there… or anywhere actually. I’d have to think that a loaded, chambered pistol, in a Mika’s pocket holster (covers trigger completely), with all the flex and lateral movement associated with walking, sitting, stairs, etc… would be prone to failure if so designed. Bet this is going to be a stacking tolerances issue. A new FCU might fix, but maybe not making crap at the cheapest source would? Both? Add in large org maintenance and variations of expertise… and you have a witches brew of potential failures that can over ride the safety margins supposedly designed in. And it looks as if it has killed at least one. Awful. @MedmanKS The P365 is a new design from SIG. But it has shown some problems. Look up shake awake P365 on youtube. His gun was a high round count gun. The trigger became hard to pull. If you where trying to fire the gun it would not go off until he shook the gun. SIG ended up replacing his FCU and many other parts. He owns many other SIGs and carries a different P365. |
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Quoted: Have we done the video where the guy shows that due to it's design the 320 requires a specific disassembly and reassembly process? If you do it like most other pistols it can result in the sear being barely engaged. No dog in this fight but there is likely something going on with the pistols whether it is training or design. I haven't seen that. Can you link it here? |
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Quoted: What he showed is that any amount of lint, dirt, sand, or donut dust that gets in the gun can cause the tolerances to be off enough for it to fire. Anything that keeps the trigger from completely resetting to its’ full forward position leads to this outcome. Yes, the trigger is being “manipulated” but not really. That condition could be caused by any of the factors above. My guess is that he has the perfect replication of what has been happening with these guns all over the country. Sig is as good as finished after this. Quoted: Quoted: Sig issues not withstanding, I can’t get past the part where he keeps chirping about the gun going off with out manipulating the trigger, while he is manipulating the trigger the entire time. What he showed is that any amount of lint, dirt, sand, or donut dust that gets in the gun can cause the tolerances to be off enough for it to fire. Anything that keeps the trigger from completely resetting to its’ full forward position leads to this outcome. Yes, the trigger is being “manipulated” but not really. That condition could be caused by any of the factors above. My guess is that he has the perfect replication of what has been happening with these guns all over the country. Sig is as good as finished after this. That’s a good explanation of why he is inserting the screw to manipulate it. It makes sense about lint or other items affecting take up. Thanks! |
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Quoted: @MedmanKS The P365 is a new design from SIG. But it has shown some problems. Look up shake awake P365 on youtube. His gun was a high round count gun. The trigger became hard to pull. If you where trying to fire the gun it would not go off until he shook the gun. SIG ended up replacing his FCU and many other parts. He owns many other SIGs and carries a different P365. Quoted: Quoted: If so, I’m relieved. I pocket carried my 365 to church today. Would hate to ND there… or anywhere actually. I’d have to think that a loaded, chambered pistol, in a Mika’s pocket holster (covers trigger completely), with all the flex and lateral movement associated with walking, sitting, stairs, etc… would be prone to failure if so designed. Bet this is going to be a stacking tolerances issue. A new FCU might fix, but maybe not making crap at the cheapest source would? Both? Add in large org maintenance and variations of expertise… and you have a witches brew of potential failures that can over ride the safety margins supposedly designed in. And it looks as if it has killed at least one. Awful. @MedmanKS The P365 is a new design from SIG. But it has shown some problems. Look up shake awake P365 on youtube. His gun was a high round count gun. The trigger became hard to pull. If you where trying to fire the gun it would not go off until he shook the gun. SIG ended up replacing his FCU and many other parts. He owns many other SIGs and carries a different P365. I don't put much stock in that video, a single malfunctioning gun means nothing, just like a single example of a functioning gun imo. Every mfg has examples, when you start getting into significant percentages of production runs having issues then you have a systemic problem and you end up with the disaster that is the 320. If the problem went beyond that with the 365 there would be a lot more examples, it's clickbait. |
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Minor update… I dropped the FCU into 3 other grip modules including the type in the video. Up/down play felt increased slightly from my perception - maybe the slide also rides a little bit on some of the frames and not just on the FCU rails but that is just a guess. But again I couldn’t get it to fire once I took up the initial slack. And when I wiggled a bunch it just caused me to pull the trigger the rest of the way… so, inconclusive on my admittedly modified example. I wanted a good trigger and that’s what the Apex provided. Mine’s a relatively early P320, bought in ‘16 and has some somewhat early-gen parts on it. I haven’t shot it a ton, maybe 3 or 400 through it. I’ve always been a M&P guy for my plastic fantastics. I did send it in for the voluntary recall. |
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Quoted: I don't put much stock in that video, a single malfunctioning gun means nothing, just like a single example of a functioning gun imo. Every mfg has examples, when you start getting into significant percentages of production runs having issues then you have a systemic problem and you end up with the disaster that is the 320. If the problem went beyond that with the 365 there would be a lot more examples, it's clickbait. I agree that's a one off. The biggest problems have been the trigger return spring and firing pin failures. I have not heard of a firing pin failure in about a year. So that looks like its going away. The trigger springs are a common problem. SIG still sells the springs in a 3 pack. I think guys need two P365s. One for carry and one for training. |
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Quoted: Minor update… I dropped the FCU into 3 other grip modules including the type in the video. Up/down play felt increased slightly from my perception - maybe the slide also rides a little bit on some of the frames and not just on the FCU rails but that is just a guess. But again I couldn’t get it to fire once I took up the initial slack. And when I wiggled a bunch it just caused me to pull the trigger the rest of the way… so, inconclusive on my admittedly modified example. I wanted a good trigger and that’s what the Apex provided. Mine’s a relatively early P320, bought in ‘16 and has some somewhat early-gen parts on it. I haven’t shot it a ton, maybe 3 or 400 through it. I’ve always been a M&P guy for my plastic fantastics. I did send it in for the voluntary recall. That's good news. Sounds like you have a high quality (low tolerance stacking) gun. Some of these guns are just full of tolerance stacked parts because SIG lowered their QC I'm guessing. |
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Quoted: Minor update… I dropped the FCU into 3 other grip modules including the type in the video. Up/down play felt increased slightly from my perception - maybe the slide also rides a little bit on some of the frames and not just on the FCU rails but that is just a guess. But again I couldn’t get it to fire once I took up the initial slack. And when I wiggled a bunch it just caused me to pull the trigger the rest of the way… so, inconclusive on my admittedly modified example. I wanted a good trigger and that’s what the Apex provided. Mine’s a relatively early P320, bought in ‘16 and has some somewhat early-gen parts on it. I haven’t shot it a ton, maybe 3 or 400 through it. I’ve always been a M&P guy for my plastic fantastics. I did send it in for the voluntary recall. Interesting, thanks for sharing. Another arfcom member just posted a video of his firing with slight trigger pull slight slide manipulation. |
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Quoted: NOTE: I didnt see him fire a primed case. Just because the striker fired doesnt mean it would have struck the primer and fired a round. If the FP safety is correctly designed, it still should not fire. Did you even watch the first video? I happens within the first 5 seconds. |
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Quoted: It would be an " un-commanded" discharge if he just picked it up and wiggled/jiggled it, or shook it or whatever. But as soon as he STARTS pulling the trigger back - regardless of how far back he pulls it - he loses ANY claim to the phrase "un-commanded" The trigger on a firearm serves one function, and that is to discharge the firearm. If he can make the firearm discharge without touching the trigger, then his claim would be valid. He ABSOLUTELY has demonstrated a bad design, no question. I agree with you. A terrible trigger/safety design? Probably. But he has not demonstrated an "un-commanded" discharge. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not sure partially.pulling the trigger and manually manipulating the gun in particular and specific ways counts as "un commanded"  Has this guy demonstrated that some P320s can be made to fire when they technically should not? Seems like it. Has he demonstrated that a p320 discharged "un commanded"? lol no. That trigger was not pulled DK. If you stack a trigger and press on the slide it should not fire. He is showing even minor problems defeat the guns safeties. The P320 is nothing more than a single action striker fired gun. It should not be marketed as a duty gun. Wear, lint, grease, dirt or bad springs set you up for failure. Its a bad design. It would be an " un-commanded" discharge if he just picked it up and wiggled/jiggled it, or shook it or whatever. But as soon as he STARTS pulling the trigger back - regardless of how far back he pulls it - he loses ANY claim to the phrase "un-commanded" The trigger on a firearm serves one function, and that is to discharge the firearm. If he can make the firearm discharge without touching the trigger, then his claim would be valid. He ABSOLUTELY has demonstrated a bad design, no question. I agree with you. A terrible trigger/safety design? Probably. But he has not demonstrated an "un-commanded" discharge. I'm just glad I was looking down the barrel of a loaded Glock when I got into a fight with the guy the cops were after. If it was a SIG, I might have taken a fucking bullet - based upon what I'm seeing in these videos. Holy shit. Gun out, gun aimed, cop stumbling over uneven ground ... yeah, I can see the gun "going off." |
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Quoted: From the SIG P320 manual , para 2.0.1, page 4: That section is labeled 'Manual Safeties', but does not specifically state it only applies to manual safety equipped models. A couple of items: 1. I understand why he used the screw... but you have to admit that it at least looks sketchy. It's also not quantifiably measurable. Yes, he used calipers to measure the take-up, but it wasn't measured at a consistent location. 2. Based on SIG's own manual, that small amount of rearward travel should not have been sufficient for the striker to drop. So, based on SIG's own manual, it shouldn't be dropping the striker with that little rearward movement. The method may be wonky, but I don't consider it to be fully invalidated. We could be seeing the results of tolerance stacking, MIM parts, or even MIM parts 'Made in India'. Various sources claim that SIG uses multiple sources, so it is not definitive that a lack of QC on Indian parts is the cause. I think the Wyoming Gun Project video is another data point (that looks less than optimal for SIG), but it needs to be recreated using better methodology to be validated. m NOTE: I don't own a SIG, Glock, or any other striker fired pistols. I have no dog in this hunt. Quoted: From the SIG P320 manual , para 2.0.1, page 4: Consistent with individual operators' philosophies of use, SIG SAUER offers the P320 with and without a manual safety, and the decision whether to deploy a manual safety rests with the operator. This is an important decision that must consider several factors, including the intended use of the firearm (e.g., law enforcement, defensive carry, home defense, range use, competition), level of firearms experience and training, frequency of practice, holster selection, and carry position, among others. The internal safeties on the P320 are designed to prevent it from firing without the trigger being fully pulled. When the trigger is pulled or depressed, even unintentionally whether by a finger or foreign object the P320 firearm will fire as designed. When engaged, a manual safety locks the trigger and prevents it from being accidentally or intentionally pulled, providing additional protection from unintentional discharge. However, an engaged manual safety will also prevent an operator from firing their pistol even when they need it to fire if the manual safety is not first disengaged. That section is labeled 'Manual Safeties', but does not specifically state it only applies to manual safety equipped models. A couple of items: 1. I understand why he used the screw... but you have to admit that it at least looks sketchy. It's also not quantifiably measurable. Yes, he used calipers to measure the take-up, but it wasn't measured at a consistent location. 2. Based on SIG's own manual, that small amount of rearward travel should not have been sufficient for the striker to drop. So, based on SIG's own manual, it shouldn't be dropping the striker with that little rearward movement. The method may be wonky, but I don't consider it to be fully invalidated. We could be seeing the results of tolerance stacking, MIM parts, or even MIM parts 'Made in India'. Various sources claim that SIG uses multiple sources, so it is not definitive that a lack of QC on Indian parts is the cause. I think the Wyoming Gun Project video is another data point (that looks less than optimal for SIG), but it needs to be recreated using better methodology to be validated. m NOTE: I don't own a SIG, Glock, or any other striker fired pistols. I have no dog in this hunt. |
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Quoted: Did you even watch the first video? I happens within the first 5 seconds. Quoted: Quoted: NOTE: I didnt see him fire a primed case. Just because the striker fired doesnt mean it would have struck the primer and fired a round. If the FP safety is correctly designed, it still should not fire. Did you even watch the first video? I happens within the first 5 seconds. Watched the second. Skipped around on the first. Had the sound down. Youtube gun people generally annoy me. I didn't say "He didn't". I said, "I didn't see". Other posters affirmed that the gun was actually firing the primed case. That's very bad. Not only is the sear/striker interface jinky, the FPS isn't doing its job which is arguably even worse. |
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A lot of folks will point to the screw in the trigger and claim x,y,z... I get it. It's kind of redneck. It's enough to show me movement of the trigger from normal everyday stuff while in a holster is enough. It's not a 1 in a million event, probably closer to 1 in 5000 if you look at the street data. If you carry a gun long enough, you will eventually drop it or knock it off a table or something because you are human. Makes you appreciate it at a whole other level when it doesn't go off. |
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Quoted: A lot of folks will point to the screw in the trigger and claim x,y,z... I get it. It's kind of redneck. It's enough to show me movement of the trigger from normal everyday stuff while in a holster is enough. It's not a 1 in a million event, probably closer to 1 in 5000 if you look at the street data. If you carry a gun long enough, you will eventually drop it or knock it off a table or something because you are human. Makes you appreciate it at a whole other level when it doesn't go off. Yep it's just a matter of time. |
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Quoted: There are two kinds of shooters. Those that haven't dropped a gun yet and those that will do it again. @1911SFOREVER Summer of 2000. I had placed my gun in my desk drawer to go take a dump. I was riding a desk now. I took a LT promotion. At the end of the day I opened the drawer and pulled the gun out. As I was pulling the gun up I struck the bottom edge of the desk. Knocking the gun from my hand. I knew better then to try and grab it and watched in slowmo as it fell. Saying FUUUUUUUUUUUCK to myself. The gun landed on the hammer pointing straight at my face. I could see the 124+P Gold Dot staring straight at me. The gun was a SIG P228. Thank GOD for west German SIGs. |
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Quoted: I had to stop watching it because the idiot had his hand in front of the muzzle a thousand times. He is definitely going to blow his hand off one day mishandling a gun that 'he knows is not loaded'. Modern striker-fired guns just seem more likely to have this malfunction. Taurus got raked over the coals some years back with the Gen 1 'Millennium' having a similar problem. I had just bought one, a 24/7 'Pro' .45, before I found out. I actually still have it and its a trusted pistol. I did everything I could think of to make it fire a primed case, including throwing it down on a carpeted floor, with the manual safety on and off. It never fired. I recently bought my first Glock, a G23/3, and I also got a compensated barrel and slide so it can be a 23C with a quick slide change. No safety on it, of course, so I have to get used to that. It looks to me like this SIG 320 is doomed - the court of public opinion has spoken. I wonder how many guys had an ND with an M1911 or M1911A1? That number has to be in the 100,000s, and the 1911 was our military pistol for about 70 years. Dude, Taurus and Remington had the original shake awake triggers. Call Taurus tomorrow at the numbers listed here, if you have one of the bad guns Taurus will send you a new one: https://www.tauruscartersettlement.com/ I'm calling them tomorrow on behalf of a customer who has an old Taurus PT111, and he should get a new G2C out of it. I just tried taking up the trigger on my Gen 5 26, and wiggling the slide. No movement of the slide from taking up the trigger, and no matter how close I got to the break, the slide didn't wiggle. The only way I could get it to drop the striker was to pull the trigger past the break. In other news, I need a new refrigerator.
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Quoted: Was reading up on the reassembly process and it would seem a very temperamental firearm. Quoted: Quoted: Have we done the video where the guy shows that due to it's design the 320 requires a specific disassembly and reassembly process? If you do it like most other pistols it can result in the sear being barely engaged. No dog in this fight but there is likely something going on with the pistols whether it is training or design. Was reading up on the reassembly process and it would seem a very temperamental firearm. That’s still one of the things that impresses me about ‘ol Gaston’s design. He was able to pare down the mechanicals to the barebones needed to function. KISS in practice. When you teardown just about any other semi auto pistols, they have a lot more parts. That Sig created a decades ‘newer’, more complicated design, that appears to be highly vulnerable to tolerance stacking, is crazy. |
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I just tested my M17 with safety. -Jammed a screw in the trigger just before the break-wiggled and smacked the slide-didn't fire. -Took the back plate off and plate and did the 2 tests for protruding striker-it did not protrude. -Jammed a fine punch into the back down on the sear and did not get a protruding striker. Anything I'm missing for testing? ETA I have a Wilson Combat grip module FWIW |
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Quoted: I just tested my M17 with safety. -Jammed a screw in the trigger just before the break-wiggled and smacked the slide-didn't fire. -Took the back plate off and plate and did the 2 tests for protruding striker-it did not protrude. -Jammed a fine punch into the back down on the sear and did not get a protruding striker. Anything I'm missing for testing? Pull the trigger and then act surprised when it fires.
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Quoted: So am i still gonna get called a pussy for not carrying my 365 chambered appendex carry? Eh Not that I really care :D just making a point. The P365 always made me a bit nervous. Most off the shelf versions don't have a trigger safety, nor a manual safety, like all my other (non revolver) carry pistols do. IIRC, they have a pretty wide trigger vs narrow trigger guard too. A pretty long, but light goofy trigger pull. I guess I'm a pussy. Now that Sigs have so many issues internally... That doesn't add to the confidence of their already weird safety choices. |