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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:22:11 PM EDT
[#1]
 Attached FileYou know how I know you don't know anything about fire pumps? Never mind... I'm thinking one of these: 
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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:22:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/confused-britney-spears--83.gif You know how I know you don't know anything about fire pumps? Go on.. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:24:46 PM EDT
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After catching a small section of my property on fire and seeing how slow the response from the VFD was I have been looking into them. A pressure washer will apparently work as a fire pump and does a decent job according to some I have talked to.
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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:24:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go on.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/confused-britney-spears--83.gif You know how I know you don't know anything about fire pumps? Go on.. See my edit above. I'm in the fire protection business so when I hear the term fire pump my mind immediately jumps to what I work with. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:25:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/confused-britney-spears--83.gif You know how I know you don't know anything about fire pumps? Never mind... I'm thinking one of these: https://www.pentair.com/en-us/solutions/commercial-solutions/fire-protection/_jcr_content/hero/hero-par/hero_interior/image.img.jpg/1636140150072.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:26:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/confused-britney-spears--83.gif You know how I know you don't know anything about fire pumps? Never mind... I'm thinking one of these: https://www.pentair.com/en-us/solutions/commercial-solutions/fire-protection/_jcr_content/hero/hero-par/hero_interior/image.img.jpg/1636140150072.jpg /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/ohlawdy_JPG-122.jpg Yeah, when I read fire pump I was like, the OP doesn't like his yard. Because a fire pump is going to tear it up. 
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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:30:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After catching a small section of my property on fire and seeing how slow the response from the VFD was I have been looking into them. A pressure washer will apparently work as a fire pump and does a decent job according to some I have talked to. I'm talking bout strapping on a 5 gal capacity one (backpack) and hauling ass to the problem if it's around my house. Savvy? Maybe for use after the fire is out except for hotspots and such. I own some property as well. About one thousand trees worth. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:30:06 PM EDT
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Diesel or electric?...
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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:31:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Diesel or electric?... This man knows.
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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:33:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/confused-britney-spears--83.gif You know how I know you don't know anything about fire pumps? Never mind... I'm thinking one of these: How many points are you monitoring on that skid? Looks like a single module in view on the back wall... |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:33:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Diesel or electric?... goddamn.. 
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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:34:06 PM EDT
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5 gallons won't put out a camp fire you will need quit a large tank for any sizable fire.
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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:35:00 PM EDT
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Back in the day, CET pumps used to be the thing to use.. but it depends on what your water supply is.
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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:35:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:36:27 PM EDT
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What's your water source? A pool, pond, stream, etc. Or a well? Municipal supply? Do you have hose? Garden hose or fire hose?
Anything is better than nothing. I loved using Floto-pumps, just a small 2 stroke engine with a pump mounted on a floating plastic platform. Drop into a body of water, set and forget, just needs fuel. eta Oh hell, you mean a backpump? Yeah they work well with a bit of training. The old steel ones are uncomfortable, the newer soft vinyl ones are lighter. I like them but they have their limitations. LOL! |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:42:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2022 7:43:08 PM EDT
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Commonly known as Indian pumps.
They are for what I would call hotspots. Once a brush fire is really rolling they aren't enough. Much bigger than a camp fire sized issue and you're gonna be wanting more |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:01:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many points are you monitoring on that skid? Looks like a single module in view on the back wall... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/confused-britney-spears--83.gif You know how I know you don't know anything about fire pumps? Never mind... I'm thinking one of these: https://www.pentair.com/en-us/solutions/commercial-solutions/fire-protection/_jcr_content/hero/hero-par/hero_interior/image.img.jpg/1636140150072.jpg How many points are you monitoring on that skid? Looks like a single module in view on the back wall... If that is a module it could be just for fire pump running and power failure. But for the pump itself there's probably 8 or more points we're monitoring that report directly to the fire panel most of them are control valves. 2 bypass valves, pump suction, pump discharge, jockey pump suction and discharge valves, test header valve. But that's not counting anything else on it. Water flow switches, pressure switches, low air switches then whatever systems/sectionals they have downstream of that pump. Plus all the equipment they mightnhave before the pump. Then there's all the mechanical things we have to look at, casing relief valves, packings, oil pressure, oil level, fuel level, coolant levels, batteries. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:05:30 PM EDT
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I was hoping this was a Greek Fire thread…
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:08:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that is a module it could be just for fire pump running and power failure. But for the pump itself there's probably 8 or more points we're monitoring that report directly to the fire panel most of them are control valves. 2 bypass valves, pump suction, pump discharge, jockey pump suction and discharge valves, test header valve. But that's not counting anything else on it. Water flow switches, pressure switches, low air switches then whatever systems/sectionals they have downstream of that pump. Plus all the equipment they mightnhave before the pump. Then there's all the mechanical things we have to look at, casing relief valves, packings, oil pressure, oil level, fuel level, coolant levels, batteries. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/confused-britney-spears--83.gif You know how I know you don't know anything about fire pumps? Never mind... I'm thinking one of these: https://www.pentair.com/en-us/solutions/commercial-solutions/fire-protection/_jcr_content/hero/hero-par/hero_interior/image.img.jpg/1636140150072.jpg How many points are you monitoring on that skid? Looks like a single module in view on the back wall... If that is a module it could be just for fire pump running and power failure. But for the pump itself there's probably 8 or more points we're monitoring that report directly to the fire panel most of them are control valves. 2 bypass valves, pump suction, pump discharge, jockey pump suction and discharge valves, test header valve. But that's not counting anything else on it. Water flow switches, pressure switches, low air switches then whatever systems/sectionals they have downstream of that pump. Plus all the equipment they mightnhave before the pump. Then there's all the mechanical things we have to look at, casing relief valves, packings, oil pressure, oil level, fuel level, coolant levels, batteries. Sounds like more than (10) points... ...whenever I run across a fire pump, I assume (10) monitor points and throw materials to cover that. Gets me close |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:11:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/confused-britney-spears--83.gif You know how I know you don't know anything about fire pumps? Never mind... I'm thinking one of these: https://www.pentair.com/en-us/solutions/commercial-solutions/fire-protection/_jcr_content/hero/hero-par/hero_interior/image.img.jpg/1636140150072.jpg |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:19:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like more than (10) points... ...whenever I run across a fire pump, I assume (10) monitor points and throw materials to cover that. Gets me close Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/confused-britney-spears--83.gif You know how I know you don't know anything about fire pumps? Never mind... I'm thinking one of these: https://www.pentair.com/en-us/solutions/commercial-solutions/fire-protection/_jcr_content/hero/hero-par/hero_interior/image.img.jpg/1636140150072.jpg How many points are you monitoring on that skid? Looks like a single module in view on the back wall... If that is a module it could be just for fire pump running and power failure. But for the pump itself there's probably 8 or more points we're monitoring that report directly to the fire panel most of them are control valves. 2 bypass valves, pump suction, pump discharge, jockey pump suction and discharge valves, test header valve. But that's not counting anything else on it. Water flow switches, pressure switches, low air switches then whatever systems/sectionals they have downstream of that pump. Plus all the equipment they mightnhave before the pump. Then there's all the mechanical things we have to look at, casing relief valves, packings, oil pressure, oil level, fuel level, coolant levels, batteries. Sounds like more than (10) points... ...whenever I run across a fire pump, I assume (10) monitor points and throw materials to cover that. Gets me close Yes, it's usually more than 10. I just did a job today with 190 points related to the fire pump and what's tied to it and they are still adding stuff to it. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:19:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: Drought is getting bad enough and with the fourth coming up thought might look these over and get a good one. Looked at ™Indian so far. Do they work for general containmemt of a 50-100 foot grass fire or what? How are they on hot spots? Thanks. @SAE Do you have a UTV/ATV, https://www.qtacfire.com/utv-atv-skids |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:25:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/confused-britney-spears--83.gif You know how I know you don't know anything about fire pumps? Never mind... I'm thinking one of these: https://www.pentair.com/en-us/solutions/commercial-solutions/fire-protection/_jcr_content/hero/hero-par/hero_interior/image.img.jpg/1636140150072.jpg As a sprinkler guy myself i thought the same thing I see your nj, 696? |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:30:24 PM EDT
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You may be better off getting some simple hand tools rather than lugging around one of those Indian tanks. A hoe, mcleod tool, fire rake or fire swatter would potentially serve you better. What’s the terrain?
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:30:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a sprinkler guy myself i thought the same thing I see your nj, 696? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/confused-britney-spears--83.gif You know how I know you don't know anything about fire pumps? Never mind... I'm thinking one of these: https://www.pentair.com/en-us/solutions/commercial-solutions/fire-protection/_jcr_content/hero/hero-par/hero_interior/image.img.jpg/1636140150072.jpg As a sprinkler guy myself i thought the same thing I see your nj, 696? No, we're actually 102. Which makes no sense. Our fitters are 696. I'm on the inspection side. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:35:46 PM EDT
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Op, like a backpack pump?
https://www.nationalfirefighter.com/store/p/3465-Indian-Poly-Backpack-Pump.aspx |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:36:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm talking bout strapping on a 5 gal capacity one (backpack) and hauling ass to the problem if it's around my house. Savvy? Maybe for use after the fire is out except for hotspots and such. I own some property as well. About one thousand trees worth. Forestry Suppliers has what you need. I also purchased a hoe on the recommendation of the local forest service guys. They have a fire hoe with 3 teeth and is used for digging a fire break, I bought 2 of these. The forest service guys use a truck mounted gas engined water pump and carry a small tank and pump from any local creek or pond. I managed to have my fire out and was standing in the smoldering mess when the VFD arrived. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:44:04 PM EDT
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I have a 10 gallon water tank with an electric pump on the back of my Honda Rancher 4 wheeler. We use it when we are burning pines. You would be surprised at how much it will do.
Just a little right ahead of the flames works great. My neighbor uses a gas powered blower to control his fires. I was surprised at how good it worked. He would blow against the fire and stop it. Worked by taking the burning debris away from the flame. Of course, neither of these will stop a raging inferno. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:50:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm talking bout strapping on a 5 gal capacity one (backpack) and hauling ass to the problem if it's around my house. Savvy? Maybe for use after the fire is out except for hotspots and such. I own some property as well. About one thousand trees worth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: After catching a small section of my property on fire and seeing how slow the response from the VFD was I have been looking into them. A pressure washer will apparently work as a fire pump and does a decent job according to some I have talked to. I'm talking bout strapping on a 5 gal capacity one (backpack) and hauling ass to the problem if it's around my house. Savvy? Maybe for use after the fire is out except for hotspots and such. I own some property as well. About one thousand trees worth. If you're talking water pump, I also have a wildland fire setup I built using a factory Honda high pressure pump with 2.5" hoses etc with enough power to knock my girlfriend on her ass. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:50:19 PM EDT
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get a couple 2.5 gallon pressurized water extinguishers. refillable and what the pros use. Called a "can" (as in water can) by FF's. With some practice you can put a lot of fire out or at least knock it down. When you fill it add a couple drop of liquid dish detergent to help the water penetrate (breaks the surface tension and helps the water extinguish)
Linky ETA add a webbing strap through the loop hole on the can to aid in carrying it. ETE #2  Fire Dept. House Fire Exterior Attack Using 1/2.5 Gal Extinguisher  Water Extinguisher Controls Room Fire |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:53:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:57:24 PM EDT
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Does a 100’ hose connected to the outlet side of my pool pump with 20,000 gallons of in-ground pool water count???
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:00:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: Drought is getting bad enough and with the fourth coming up thought might look these over and get a good one. Looked at Indian so far. Do they work for general containmemt of a 50-100 foot grass fire or what? How are they on hot spots? Thanks. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:08:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm talking bout strapping on a 5 gal capacity one (backpack) and hauling ass to the problem if it's around my house. Savvy? Maybe for use after the fire is out except for hotspots and such. I own some property as well. About one thousand trees worth. we use those here for brush fires. they are cumbersome to fill and heavy to carry. they are fine for putting out low scrub on the edge of the line but useless for anything that is a real fire. you also need multiple people with them to to do anything even remotely effective. a backpack blower in many cases would be more effective and blowing out the small stuff and pushing back into the burned area. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:10:17 PM EDT
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This pump with some forestry line would put out a lot of grass fire if needed.
Anytime you buy a "fire pump" you are gonna pay more. You will need a water supply, a pool, a tank, something. Get some 1" to 1.5" line, a couple hundred feet or more. Get a low pressure nozzle, 20-40 gallons per minute. You should be able to contain any grass fire that comes your way. Heavy brush and wildland fires are a different nature. I do not know your fuel load. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:13:54 PM EDT
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Indian pumps are good for hotspots and cold trailing. They’re useless for any kind of moving fire.
You’d be better off establishing a fuel break around your curtilage, screening off any roof and soffit vents and installing retardant shingles. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:16:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This pump with some forestry line would put out a lot of grass fire if needed. Anytime you buy a "fire pump" you are gonna pay more. You will need a water supply, a pool, a tank, something. Get some 1" to 1.5" line, a couple hundred feet or more. Get a low pressure nozzle, 20-40 gallons per minute. You should be able to contain any grass fire that comes your way. Heavy brush and wildland fires are a different nature. I do not know your fuel load. www.amazon.com/dp/B00381T8J2 we use a similar pump with a 300gal tote on our brush truck. works well and may buy you enough time for the guys in the big red truck to get there. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:21:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: we use a similar pump with a 300gal tote on our brush truck. works well and may buy you enough time for the guys in the big red truck to get there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This pump with some forestry line would put out a lot of grass fire if needed. Anytime you buy a "fire pump" you are gonna pay more. You will need a water supply, a pool, a tank, something. Get some 1" to 1.5" line, a couple hundred feet or more. Get a low pressure nozzle, 20-40 gallons per minute. You should be able to contain any grass fire that comes your way. Heavy brush and wildland fires are a different nature. I do not know your fuel load. www.amazon.com/dp/B00381T8J2 we use a similar pump with a 300gal tote on our brush truck. works well and may buy you enough time for the guys in the big red truck to get there. Keep a large swathe mowed around your place as to not have as much to contend with. I recommended this set up to several people in the old LivePD threads.  |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:24:09 PM EDT
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Your water supply will be your biggest issue. Are you on city water? Do you have a pool or pond on your property? How will you be able to transport it?
If what you referenced was an “Indian Tank”, or some other backpack pump, IME, they are useless. Your better off with a brush rake. If it’s a serious concern a 100 gallon tank and a small pump, even running a garden hose will help. If I had acreage where grass fire was a concern, I would go with one of two options. First, assuming said acreage, I would have a tractor or four wheeler. Set up a water tank and gas pump on a small trailer. Option two is an old beater pickup with the same items in the bed. It would provide space for a bigger water tank, that’s what’s really gonna help save you. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:24:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IF/WHEN I buy land for retirement, still looking, I will probably put in a small pool for such reasons. 1" forestry line will do a hell of a lot preemptively. And these pumps seem to work well enough. You get a couple hundred feet of 1" and couple hundred of 1.5", as long as you don't have heavy brush you ought to be able to contain most stuff coming your way. Or conversely keep your roof wet while it passes. Keep a large swathe mowed around your place as to not have as much to contend with. I recommended this set up to several people in the old LivePD threads. that would work well. just stockpile gas, these things are thirsty as hell running wide open. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:26:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: that would work well. just stockpile gas, these things are thirsty as hell running wide open. Also......while wishing, building a house with brick veneer and clay tile or metal roof, you begin to fire proof your residence even more. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:27:20 PM EDT
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Please, in the name of all things holy, buy one of these and run around with it. Video it.
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:29:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After catching a small section of my property on fire and seeing how slow the response from the VFD was I have been looking into them. A pressure washer will apparently work as a fire pump and does a decent job according to some I have talked to. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:32:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please, in the name of all things holy, buy one of these and run around with it. Video it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/27564/4B594410-44E3-44C0-9041-2E627E26A57B_jpe-2434654.JPG ETA: |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:32:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please, in the name of all things holy, buy one of these and run around with it. Video it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/27564/4B594410-44E3-44C0-9041-2E627E26A57B_jpe-2434654.JPG |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:35:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I FUCKING HATE THAT THING. Also hate grass paddles. The last few grass fires we used a tanker and a 1250 master stream on the truck and went to town This guy gets it. We would actually use a reducer and a 75 gpm nozzle on the deck gun so we could make the water last. Even better was if a plug was close by. Just flow copious amounts of water until we made a mud pit. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:38:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:I'm talking bout strapping on a 5 gal capacity one (backpack) and hauling ass to the problem if it's around my house. Savvy? Maybe for use after the fire is out except for hotspots and such. I own some property as well. About one thousand trees worth. What I think I really want is about 25-30 gallons on my ATV because sometimes 25 gallons delivered now beats an old fucker with a 5 gallon huff Indian huff hand pump huff huff cough ...   |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:41:57 PM EDT
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As a Boy Scout I wondered how bad it would be to fill an Indian Pump with gasoline by mistake.
That thought just re-appeared ... off to YOUTUBE ... 
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:57:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used the Indian hand pumps in BOY Scout camp a lifetime ago. I was looking at buying one for my place because sometimes five gallons now beats the flying fuck out of five thousand gallons in an hour. They made quick work of tent and grass fires, but five gallons is five gallons. The Boy Scouts answer was more numbers. Ever pack had an Indian and every troop would respond to a call of fire so we'd have 15-20 of them in a minute or two. I think one would be ideal for responding to a lighting fire or a down power line. There's plenty of places that have ponds, rivers, or other standing water that the Indian can use. What I think I really want is about 25-30 gallons on my ATV because sometimes 25 gallons delivered now beats an old fucker with a 5 gallon huff Indian huff hand pump huff huff cough ...  https://www.qtacfire.com/fire-utv-atv-skids/qtac-20s |
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