Posted: 2/23/2024 10:43:00 AM EDT
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Me and another Arfcommer slowed way down to help a kid who was in distress descending Lions Head Winter Trail. His axe wasn't cutting it, so I gave him one of my technical axes that gave him a more positive grip. His axe was fine, but he was mentally fatigued and his straight shaft handle wasn't doing him any favors on a descent that favors a lot of hooking. I think he was in micros, but that was fine, because I think I was in micros at that point, with my friend still being in crampons only because he didn't own micros.
The kid was just sketched out by the steepness. Ok, take away the trees, and it would be horrifying. And, objectively, if you fell, you risked a potentially immobilizing injury. But, the trees are there, so you can pretend that it's not that steep, grab the occasional exposed root, maybe stem off of a trunk, and get to the next walkable section. It is a section that can seem like it just never fucking ends, yes, but it does end. I've seen guides have to belay clients up or down the thing, and frankly, they've got the patience of saints, and the bank accounts of bums, to do so.
I couldn't just pass by the guy in good conscience. He wasn't incapacitated, and he probably wasn't going to become so, but he didn't have sufficient warm stuff to have much margin if his movement slowed much more. And night was coming.
A few weeks later, I was at a talk given by some prominent locals about some other stuff, and SAR was part of the discussion. One of the questions was that, with them being on SAR and likely getting the call, would you preemptively help somebody if you passed someone and judged that that person might be the reason you get a phone call later that night. And, the answer was, "Nope." They explained it as, "They've got to learn somehow." They did go on to say that if the situation was dire, yes, they would intervene, but otherwise, they weren't inclined to get in the way of that persons learning experience. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quote History Quoted:Quoted:And this is where that experience part comes into play. Could I do this, yes, ten years ago. These days, probably; I've still got the skills/training and equipment (even if it's a bit dated, although I do need new winter boots), but I've now spent more time in Asia and other hot climates and not in the mountains like I did when I was younger, so I don't bounce back like I used to despite hiking several miles of trails most days of the week and I don't like the cold like I used to so if asked to go into that situation for fun, my answer would be, without hesitation, no. At this stage of my life it falls outside of the acceptable range on my risk matrix for recreational activities (and I still do a lot of things some of my friends and family think are dumb )- in a professional context, with the right people and equipment backing me, yeah, I'd probably still join a SAR effort after evaluating the appropriate factors, but not a recovery effort. Younger, stronger guys can handle that, you don't need a wilderness paramedic for a dead body. If I were going there for my own enjoyment, I would pick another time of year with better weather conditions. Me and another Arfcommer slowed way down to help a kid who was in distress descending Lions Head Winter Trail. His axe wasn't cutting it, so I gave him one of my technical axes that gave him a more positive grip. His axe was fine, but he was mentally fatigued and his straight shaft handle wasn't doing him any favors on a descent that favors a lot of hooking. I think he was in micros, but that was fine, because I think I was in micros at that point, with my friend still being in crampons only because he didn't own micros. The kid was just sketched out by the steepness. Ok, take away the trees, and it would be horrifying. And, objectively, if you fell, you risked a potentially immobilizing injury. But, the trees are there, so you can pretend that it's not that steep, grab the occasional exposed root, maybe stem off of a trunk, and get to the next walkable section. It is a section that can seem like it just never fucking ends, yes, but it does end. I've seen guides have to belay clients up or down the thing, and frankly, they've got the patience of saints, and the bank accounts of bums, to do so. I couldn't just pass by the guy in good conscience. He wasn't incapacitated, and he probably wasn't going to become so, but he didn't have sufficient warm stuff to have much margin if his movement slowed much more. And night was coming. A few weeks later, I was at a talk given by some prominent locals about some other stuff, and SAR was part of the discussion. One of the questions was that, with them being on SAR and likely getting the call, would you preemptively help somebody if you passed someone and judged that that person might be the reason you get a phone call later that night. And, the answer was, "Nope." They explained it as, "They've got to learn somehow." They did go on to say that if the situation was dire, yes, they would intervene, but otherwise, they weren't inclined to get in the way of that persons learning experience. Any smart person, that is helped by strangers in the back country, should realize they were at least not in a great situation, recognize they were helped because their less than ideal situation was obvious to the passerby , and still learn from that experience. I bet that guy bought 2 good bent handle axes to take next time. But then again, most people aren't very smart and lie to themselves all the time. so maybe they have a point. And it you aren't using the trees, you arent using the whole route. ( just like golf, if you aren't using the trees, you aren't using the whole course )
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