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Link Posted: 12/14/2018 10:05:38 PM EDT
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MGTOW is nothing but a bunch of overweight neckbeard virgins that drink too much soy.
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 10:08:58 PM EDT
[#2]
My advice to everyone:  Lift heavy weights, play cool video games, and buy cool guns.

You can alpha your way into bed with a woman but you can't out-alpha a divorce court judge.
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 10:09:09 PM EDT
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The societal contract is broken, there's just more young men waking up and coming to terms with that reality. That's all really.

I'm 30 and have lived in the same shitty relationship for 10 years, and sure it didn't start out shitty but it got there within the first 5 years. If I thought I could get away from mine with my rights in tact and my hard earned money I'd be out the door in a heart beat but she's become well versed in using the system as a weapon. Best I can do right now is maintain the status quo, keep my distance at home and put off the inevitable fucking I'm going to get on the way out of this disaster.

One things for damn sure though, as soon as I get away from this monster I won't ever have anything to do with a woman again. Occasional sex and the rare affectionate gesture isn't worth losing everything and living under constant stress and anxiety. Sex and affection can be rented outside of the US cheaper. Shit, If I could turn back the clock 15 years my entire life would be different and I'd be happily single with a larger pile of guns, cars, and money.

Relationships and families aren't worth it kids. If you're lonely save yourself from financial ruin and get a dog.
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When assholes collide?
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 10:13:21 PM EDT
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Just a bunch of fucking losers.
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 10:13:29 PM EDT
[#5]
LOL at the "men" that blame all their problems with relationships on every woman. You might want to take a look inside because you're probably the reason you have fucked up relationships. But let's start a modern He-man Woman Haters Club... that will show them! Thanks for taking yourselves out of the gene pool, we need less chlorine that way.
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 10:14:51 PM EDT
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LOL at the "men" that blame all their problems with relationships on every woman. You might want to take a look inside because you're probably the reason you have fucked up relationships. But let's start a modern He-man Woman Haters Club... that will show them! Thanks for taking yourselves out of the gene pool, we need less chlorine that way.
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This fucking place is filled with them
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 10:17:21 PM EDT
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You've been living under Arock?

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TPNI
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 10:22:29 PM EDT
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And the flip side is that you are unable, as a human being to form bonds of any meaning. Maybe the problem is not women, or relationships? Maybe the problem is you?
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Let me go against the grain here and agree with the OP.

I wouldn't touch a relationship with a 10' pole!

I still like the company of women and have several on speed dial in case I need something quick and meaningless, but I have NO intention of putting up with any of their shit.

Some guys just plain need their Mama and simply cant survive without a woman around 24/7.

Its  actually pretty pathetic.
And the flip side is that you are unable, as a human being to form bonds of any meaning. Maybe the problem is not women, or relationships? Maybe the problem is you?
Did your wife tell you it was OK to post this?
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 10:22:34 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/14/2018 10:24:46 PM EDT
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Men Going Their Own Way.
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Or...

Dudes that couldn't get laid in a morgue and decide to make the most out of it.
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 11:00:55 PM EDT
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LOL at the "men" that blame all their problems with relationships on every woman. You might want to take a look inside because you're probably the reason you have fucked up relationships. But let's start a modern He-man Woman Haters Club... that will show them! Thanks for taking yourselves out of the gene pool, we need less chlorine that way.
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That seems to be the common denominator here, like all INCEL threads.  
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 11:33:04 PM EDT
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"All MGTOWs = incels" makes as much sense as "All women = evil."

It's not a new thing, but it's reappeared probably because society has become overpopulated and decadent.

From Ecclesiastes in the Old Testament, written ~450-200 BCE.

25 I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness:

26 And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.

27 Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account:

28 Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 11:36:05 PM EDT
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Isn't that just a euphemism for gay?
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I am an older guy, and understood the notion of a "confirmed bachelor"
Isn't that just a euphemism for gay?
So is “MGTOW”
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 11:42:57 PM EDT
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"All MGTOWs = incels" makes as much sense as "All women = evil."

It's not a new thing, but it's reappeared probably because society has become overpopulated and decadent.

From Ecclesiastes in the Old Testament, written ~450-200 BCE.

25 I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness:

26 And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.

27 Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account:

28 Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.
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Oooo! I love quoting Bible verses.

(Genesis 6:13-22)

1And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

How the fuck you going to multiply sitting home alone, so no one can get "your stuff", unless you call rent a 'ho and you'll still end up being someones baby daddy? Make an effort you lazy, self centered, fucks. You might even find your Darla.
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 11:46:00 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/14/2018 11:49:14 PM EDT
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"All MGTOWs = incels" makes as much sense as "All women = evil."

It's not a new thing, but it's reappeared probably because society has become overpopulated and decadent.

From Ecclesiastes in the Old Testament, written ~450-200 BCE.

25 I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness:

26 And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.

27 Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account:

28 Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.
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While we're quoting the bible...would God tell you to look for a woman like this if she didn't exist? (ETA- I don't buy off on much of the bible, but if you're gonna quote verses to hold up your argument you should be prepared for others to do the same)

Proverbs 31:10-31 The Message (MSG)
Hymn to a Good Wife
10-31 A good woman is hard to find,

and worth far more than diamonds.
Her husband trusts her without reserve,

and never has reason to regret it.
Never spiteful, she treats him generously

all her life long.
She shops around for the best yarns and cottons,

and enjoys knitting and sewing.
She’s like a trading ship that sails to faraway places

and brings back exotic surprises.
She’s up before dawn, preparing breakfast

for her family and organizing her day.
She looks over a field and buys it,

then, with money she’s put aside, plants a garden.
First thing in the morning, she dresses for work,

rolls up her sleeves, eager to get started.
She senses the worth of her work,

is in no hurry to call it quits for the day.
She’s skilled in the crafts of home and hearth,

diligent in homemaking.
She’s quick to assist anyone in need,

reaches out to help the poor.
She doesn’t worry about her family when it snows;

their winter clothes are all mended and ready to wear.
She makes her own clothing,

and dresses in colorful linens and silks.
Her husband is greatly respected

when he deliberates with the city fathers.
She designs gowns and sells them,

brings the sweaters she knits to the dress shops.
Her clothes are well-made and elegant,

and she always faces tomorrow with a smile.
When she speaks she has something worthwhile to say,

and she always says it kindly.
She keeps an eye on everyone in her household,

and keeps them all busy and productive.
Her children respect and bless her;

her husband joins in with words of praise:
“Many women have done wonderful things,

but you’ve outclassed them all!”
Charm can mislead and beauty soon fades.

The woman to be admired and praised

is the woman who lives in the Fear-of-God.
Give her everything she deserves!

Festoon her life with praises!
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 11:53:54 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/14/2018 11:56:11 PM EDT
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Oooo! I love quoting Bible verses.

(Genesis 6:13-22)

1And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

How the fuck you going to multiply sitting home alone, so no one can get "your stuff", unless you call rent a 'ho and you'll still end up being someones baby daddy? Make an effort you lazy, self centered, fucks. You might even find your Darla.
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"All MGTOWs = incels" makes as much sense as "All women = evil."

It's not a new thing, but it's reappeared probably because society has become overpopulated and decadent.

From Ecclesiastes in the Old Testament, written ~450-200 BCE.

25 I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness:

26 And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.

27 Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account:

28 Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.
Oooo! I love quoting Bible verses.

(Genesis 6:13-22)

1And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

How the fuck you going to multiply sitting home alone, so no one can get "your stuff", unless you call rent a 'ho and you'll still end up being someones baby daddy? Make an effort you lazy, self centered, fucks. You might even find your Darla.
uh, it's full. Command completed. next question.
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 12:09:07 AM EDT
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Just because you and your ex are losers doesn't mean everyone is.
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 1:25:47 AM EDT
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No offense, but your bad experience doesn't mean it's all a farce.

You sound extremely bitter dude. You hitched your wagon to the wrong female. Doesn't mean they're ALL worthless.
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What was it in the lasik thread...oh yeah. "It's not the odds, it's the stakes."
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 1:35:48 AM EDT
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This.
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 1:38:40 AM EDT
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Oooo! I love quoting Bible verses.

(Genesis 6:13-22)

1And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

How the fuck you going to multiply sitting home alone, so no one can get "your stuff", unless you call rent a 'ho and you'll still end up being someones baby daddy? Make an effort you lazy, self centered, fucks. You might even find your Darla.
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Why?  For what?
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 1:41:28 AM EDT
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I dunno....

I had (before I fucked up bad...) a good 33 year long marriage, kids, house, cars, $$$.. pretty much "everything" the American dream can offer a man

But, after learning a few VERY HARD life lessons, I realized that the "system" in this country, this culture is terribly slanted against men, rather much in favor of the females.

I also learned A LOT about "women" after almost 6 decades on this planet........

Call me loser, call me "beta" WTF you wish, but young(er) men be warned

and NO, I am not gay or :coming out"... haha

I am simply beginning to understand there is a better way than the bill of goods that I was sold ever since my childhood
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Let me get this straight, you had a good marriage for 33 years, but YOU fucked it up, and women are the problem?

That's real retarded sir.
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 1:55:42 AM EDT
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I've read many FPNI on ARFcom.  And 9 times out of 10 the FPNI when its called out.  This FPNI is literally a fucking bomb...  Kudos to the First Poster, literally one of the best.

Link Posted: 12/15/2018 1:57:54 AM EDT
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IBTL?
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 2:02:22 AM EDT
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OP......  you mean at age 60 or thereabouts, you still feel like a young stud that can sleep anywhere, eat anything, and survive for a long, long, time like that without a worry??
Wake up. Get real. You're getting too old to act and think you'e still a teenager who will survive as an island.
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 2:08:56 AM EDT
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I'm embarrassed that I don't know what an incel is
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 3:39:01 AM EDT
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aka He Man Woman Haters Club
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 3:45:56 AM EDT
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Max gross takeoff weight owns this acronym.  Snowflake woman haters can find another.
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 10:31:33 AM EDT
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I dunno....

I had (before I fucked up bad...) a good 33 year long marriage, kids, house, cars, $$$.. pretty much "everything" the American dream can offer a man

But, after learning a few VERY HARD life lessons, I realized that the "system" in this country, this culture is terribly slanted against men, rather much in favor of the females.

I also learned A LOT about "women" after almost 6 decades on this planet........

Call me loser, call me "beta" WTF you wish, but young(er) men be warned

and NO, I am not gay or :coming out"... haha

I am simply beginning to understand there is a better way than the bill of goods that I was sold ever since my childhood
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OP,

get fixed and dont marry...just fuck the hoes

No reason to avoid the delicious company of females...they are the best thing in this life.   Just dont marry and try not to stick it in da crazy
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 10:48:02 AM EDT
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Does there really have to be a club for everything these days?  I myself am not looking for a relationship but I don’t feel the need to join a group.
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Why?  For what?
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Oooo! I love quoting Bible verses.

(Genesis 6:13-22)

1And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

How the fuck you going to multiply sitting home alone, so no one can get "your stuff", unless you call rent a 'ho and you'll still end up being someones baby daddy? Make an effort you lazy, self centered, fucks. You might even find your Darla.
Why?  For what?
Because your drive to work doesn't have enough cars in your way.
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 10:54:32 AM EDT
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aka He Man Woman Haters Club
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But Jordan Peterson said "they have a point".
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 10:57:10 AM EDT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxa851vAJtI

Also, why are you living under arock?
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Came to post the Go your own way song.??
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 10:59:51 AM EDT
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Seeds are meant to be spread around.
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I dunno....

I had (before I fucked up bad...) a good 33 year long marriage, kids, house, cars, $$$.. pretty much "everything" the American dream can offer a man

But, after learning a few VERY HARD life lessons, I realized that the "system" in this cokoiuntry, this culture is terribly slanted against men, rather much in favor of the females.

I also learned A LOT about "women" after almost 6 decades on this planet........

Call me loser, call me "beta" WTF you wish, but young(er) men be warned

and NO, I am not gay or :coming out"... haha

I am simply beginning to understand there is a better way than the bill of goods that I was sold ever since my childhood
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It sounds like you lost a good thing, instead of choosing MGTOW.
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 11:06:28 AM EDT
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I thought MGTOW were about not getting into relationships, not going celebent (sp?)
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That is what I thought.
Celibate is the word you were trying for.

But yeah, I always thought of MGTOW as decently well adjusted guys who have maybe been through the divorce ringer deciding not to shun women, just to shun serious/committed relationships with them.

Hang out with, date, sleep with women? Oh hell yeah.
Foster serious relationships or marriage? Nope.

Where as incels are just that. Can't get laid or foster a relationship so they are bitter and have just given up.
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 11:10:13 AM EDT
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I love my wife, but if for some reason it doesn't work out.  I'm not getting married again.
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My mom passed a few years ago.

Dad has told me he will date (he is) but is never, ever getting married again.

I would be the same way if something happened to my better half.
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 11:16:20 AM EDT
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Guys who are or have been married: "I would never do that again"
Young Guys who hear this: "ok, I'll listen to that advice"
Guys who hear that some guys aren't getting married: "lol, sour grapes, so disrespectful to women, incel, misogynist, man up, u r fat!"

That about cover it?
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The 'in' in incel stands for involuntary.
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 11:20:25 AM EDT
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As a criminal defense lawyer I see at least two men every week who are falsely accused of assaulting their wives or girlfriends.

I also see at least one man a month who is falsely accused of sexually assaulting a woman.

And every Tuesday in family court I see men getting court-raped.

Now I am stuck with Crabby and luckily she obeys me most of the time.

But if I were single again, I would not risk my freedom by being with a woman.  I would be MGTOW all the way
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Some of you should read this again.
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2 sides to this. The MGTOW guys who some are mentally ill, and the group that targets the dudes who try to dox them and or get them fired or whatever.

Alienating people is bad. Leads to problems.

It's all fun in games until he's in your college blasting people for the lulz. Like that Elliot guy...

I read his story, felt bad for the guy. His response to it was terrible but without help and left to their own, people are capable of bad bad things.

I had a similar growing up experience, turned to hard work, bought properties. Now I get to rent to all the failed single mom's that would not talk to me, and turn them away since I married a decent woman.

What's sad is, in their 30s, they still continue to make bad decisions. Leave kids home alone, spend rent money on partying. Watching the kids lose out sucks, but bitch better have my money. Sucks when I have to evict one and they have no place to go, but it is what it is. And no I don't work out "deals" with them, I can't take the BJ I got to the bank and give it to him for money, I mean I could, but I don't swing that way.
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Some of you should read this again.
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As a criminal defense lawyer I see at least two men every week who are falsely accused of assaulting their wives or girlfriends.

I also see at least one man a month who is falsely accused of sexually assaulting a woman.

And every Tuesday in family court I see men getting court-raped.

Now I am stuck with Crabby and luckily she obeys me most of the time.

But if I were single again, I would not risk my freedom by being with a woman.  I would be MGTOW all the way
Some of you should read this again.
Nope, obviously an incel there. And uninformed. It is better to man up.
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well, you're somewhat correct in that appraisal...

BUT, as the OP I know all the actual details surrounding my choices

I "lost" an "OK" thing, a comfortable thing so to speak.  My ex was not interesting in the same things as I was, and in retrospect I realize that I was useful to her as a father to our children and a provider for her, but I certainly wasn't appreciated for much else.

Anyway, I digress...

Just to clarify a few things (been reading a lot of replies that think I have sworn of women/gone celibate or something)...

I still date, have "relations" with women, but I DON"T INVEST emotionally (so to speak) any more. I also take precautions to protect my assets, my reputation, professional standing, etc. In the past, I did not worry about such things, until learning the hard way
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Nope, obviously an incel there. And uninformed. It is better to man up.
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As a criminal defense lawyer I see at least two men every week who are falsely accused of assaulting their wives or girlfriends.

I also see at least one man a month who is falsely accused of sexually assaulting a woman.

And every Tuesday in family court I see men getting court-raped.

Now I am stuck with Crabby and luckily she obeys me most of the time.

But if I were single again, I would not risk my freedom by being with a woman.  I would be MGTOW all the way
Some of you should read this again.
Nope, obviously an incel there. And uninformed. It is better to man up.
I'm not an incel.  I'm just pointing out the truth.

The legal system is stacked against men and men are not safe.

Even Judge Kavanaugh found himself the victim of false accusations.  I hope that it never happens to you.

But all it takes is one bitter, angry woman and your life is over.  I've seen it hundred and hundreds of times over the last 20 years and don't say you were not warned.
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well, you're somewhat correct in that appraisal...

BUT, as the OP I know all the actual details surrounding my choices

I "lost" an "OK" thing, a comfortable thing so to speak.  My ex was not interesting in the same things as I was, and in retrospect I realize that I was useful to her as a father to our children and a provider for her, but I certainly wasn't appreciated for much else.
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Can you expound on that?
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That is what I thought.
Celibate is the word you were trying for.

But yeah, I always thought of MGTOW as decently well adjusted guys who have maybe been through the divorce ringer deciding not to shun women, just to shun serious/committed relationships with them.

Hang out with, date, sleep with women? Oh hell yeah.
Foster serious relationships or marriage? Nope.

Where as incels are just that. Can't get laid or foster a relationship so they are bitter and have just given up.
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I thought MGTOW were about not getting into relationships, not going celebent (sp?)
That is what I thought.
Celibate is the word you were trying for.

But yeah, I always thought of MGTOW as decently well adjusted guys who have maybe been through the divorce ringer deciding not to shun women, just to shun serious/committed relationships with them.

Hang out with, date, sleep with women? Oh hell yeah.
Foster serious relationships or marriage? Nope.

Where as incels are just that. Can't get laid or foster a relationship so they are bitter and have just given up.
This is arfcom. There can only be two extremes. Anything else makes our heads hurt.
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 12:37:30 PM EDT
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OP......  you mean at age 60 or thereabouts, you still feel like a young stud that can sleep anywhere, eat anything, and survive for a long, long, time like that without a worry??
Wake up. Get real. You're getting too old to act and think you'e still a teenager who will survive as an island.
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They way OP writes Im convinced he's just a fucking troll. 60 year old + dude typing like he's a 13 year old girl? LoL ;-)~
Link Posted: 12/15/2018 12:56:07 PM EDT
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I was on a different website with a lot of younger men and women and they were talking about getting laid. One of the women said she isn't going to sleep with a guy unless he is all in, totally into her. She said she likes to go on dates and she likes to spend lots of money on dates(not hers). I was fairly surprised at how she was saying a guy was going to need to spend a lot of money to sleep with her and nobody else thought there was anything unsettling about how she was expressing it. It's just how things are supposed to be. And nobody thought a girl should have to pay for anything.
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