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Link Posted: 11/28/2011 10:06:56 AM EDT
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Maybe he can sell it to Bushmaster so they fuck that up too.


Link Posted: 11/28/2011 10:07:29 AM EDT
[#2]
very innovative

Link Posted: 11/28/2011 10:08:15 AM EDT
[#3]
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Maybe he can sell it to Bushmaster so they fuck that up too.


I lol'd


Me too

Link Posted: 11/28/2011 10:18:11 AM EDT
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In the vid, he says the one pictured has a 20" barrel, so imagine what 16" would look like!  Being a southpaw, I really appreciate how easy it is to switch ejection sides.


I'll take mine in 10".
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 10:21:08 AM EDT
[#5]
It's cool and he's clearly a very smart guy. I think it looks great.

I just wonder why with all his skill he didn't make his own receiver of some sort. Building a "shell" around an AR lower is a unique approach, though.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 10:26:55 AM EDT
[#6]
Yup, I want.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 10:29:43 AM EDT
[#7]
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It's cool and he's clearly a very smart guy. I think it looks great.

I just wonder why with all his skill he didn't make his own receiver of some sort. Building a "shell" around an AR lower is a unique approach, though.


seems like a case of why reinvent the wheel to me.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 10:39:12 AM EDT
[#8]
Want
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 10:43:21 AM EDT
[#9]
Well done with the cheek rest/ejection assembly.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 10:43:43 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/28/2011 10:44:22 AM EDT
[#11]
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It's cool and he's clearly a very smart guy. I think it looks great.

I just wonder why with all his skill he didn't make his own receiver of some sort. Building a "shell" around an AR lower is a unique approach, though.


seems like a case of why reinvent the wheel to me.


Not only is he smart but he also has a shit ton of business sense.  Its hard to import a firearm.  He just built a product that he can import and sell much more easily and will much less legal red tape and hassle.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 10:51:42 AM EDT
[#12]


Fail, you can see the chainsaw on the wall behind him but he does not show it mounted on the rail.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 10:51:56 AM EDT
[#13]
definitely smart, in that he didn't have to re-engineer the fire control group
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 11:06:32 AM EDT
[#14]
Hell, I won't even pretend I don't want one. Even if it was $1k for a basic package without the lower receiver. If the barrel is a standard AR barrel and the upper config is not designed to make other barrel lengths impractical I'd be very happy.

I've never been particularly impressed with bull-pups, all the common designs seemed to have serious flaws for me and ALSO be crazy costly. This design, crappy trigger included, seems almost ideal to me. I imagine some careful tuning on an individual model can at least make the trigger decent if mushy, I can live with that for a weapon not intended for long range precision. I'd love to finish one up with a 16" barrel and a suppressor.

Honestly, I think a company like VLTOR or Magpul needs to jump on this. They have the reputation, contacts and distribution to make something like this take off. They also have the production experience to get the design tuned for volume production rather than as a prototype, a major hurdle in getting the production efficiency and thus costs under control.

I'm not sure where I'd find the money in my budget, but if this was out there for 1k I'll buy it. Less would be better but I'd rather the quality of the barrel and rail assembly be maintained to a decent level. From the looks of it, you aren't going to be changing uppers regularly, nor does it offer a lot of modularity for the handguards/rails, so they need to be pretty good to start with. Likewise, the barrel doesn't need to be a super match grade, but it should be good enough that the trigger is the primary limiting factor in real accuracy. Say something equivalent to the BCM SS410 barrels or the Noveske chrome lined. Good, accurate, but not $500+ for accuracy you won't really get from the finished package.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 11:54:52 AM EDT
[#15]
Very nice
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 12:03:26 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/28/2011 12:22:16 PM EDT
[#17]
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It's cool and he's clearly a very smart guy. I think it looks great.

I just wonder why with all his skill he didn't make his own receiver of some sort. Building a "shell" around an AR lower is a unique approach, though.


because then he would need to be a "Firearms manufacturer", with the appropriate ATF licensing..THIS way, he's just selling a "Part", and doesnt have to deal with all of the attendant bullshit that goes along with being an 07 SOT....nvermind, if he's outside of the US, the "Sporting Purposes importation shit

Link Posted: 11/28/2011 12:34:42 PM EDT
[#18]



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Maybe he can sell it to Bushmaster so they fuck that up too.






MSRP: $3500 (basic model)



MSRP: $4500 ("advanced" model with rails)



Comes with an 18" 1:12 M4 profile barrel.  Weighs 14 pounds.
 
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 12:43:05 PM EDT
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It's cool and he's clearly a very smart guy. I think it looks great.

I just wonder why with all his skill he didn't make his own receiver of some sort. Building a "shell" around an AR lower is a unique approach, though.


seems like a case of why reinvent the wheel to me.


It's his first design.  Give him some time, I'm sure he'll branch out and use less and less off the shelf parts each time.

I think it's a slick rifle.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 12:45:08 PM EDT
[#20]


Link Posted: 11/28/2011 12:55:35 PM EDT
[#21]
I do not care for it my self, but I can see where others would want it.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 1:00:22 PM EDT
[#22]
I like the idea.

You can have a 20" rifle barrel in a weapon shorter than an M-4 (and, with a 16" bbl, much shorter).  

However...

BATFE will take one look at that, say "serial number is covered up" and ass rape you.

AFARR
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 1:07:34 PM EDT
[#23]
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The way to fix the trigger is to make it electronIc.


ATF says that's an MG.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 1:11:01 PM EDT
[#24]
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I'm not clear on how he dealt with the buffer


piston upper
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 1:12:28 PM EDT
[#25]


There's a company that offers a bull pup conversion for an AR lower? Link and price?
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 1:23:51 PM EDT
[#26]
I want one.

I am impressed with the looks and design.

I like that it is a part, and not another rifle.

As long as he has a "cut out" showing the serial number I think he would be good to go.

I hope he demonstrates that it is reliable and accurate at a reasonable price.

I hope the people here at ar15.com will support him.

Good Luck!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 2:02:23 PM EDT
[#27]
Ace stocks had a few pics of a bullpup AR on their site for years, not anymore.

that being said, I'll take one of these.

Brad
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 2:09:09 PM EDT
[#28]
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There's a company that offers a bull pup conversion for an AR lower? Link and price?


Yeah no kidding. Black Tiger go crap in someone elses thread. This is a innovative product which doesn't deserve be compared to those jokers on Sons of Guns.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 2:37:19 PM EDT
[#29]
That conversion looks hot.
I'll withhold comment about how his original thread was locked.

 
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 3:01:45 PM EDT
[#30]
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definitely smart, in that he didn't have to re-engineer the fire control group


He could have gotten the same result (reuse of the FCG parts and design) with a small piece of aluminum, milling a pocket into it and drilling the necessary holes.

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Not only is he smart but he also has a shit ton of business sense.  Its hard to import a firearm.  He just built a product that he can import and sell much more easily and will much less legal red tape and hassle.


Importing and exporting major gun-specific parts (i.e., not some generic roll pin that could be used in dozens of applications) is also hard.

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I'll withhold comment about how his original thread was locked.  


I won't.  That was stupid.  He wasn't trying to sell a product, he was showing off his incredibly cool project.  I wish him luck getting it to market.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 3:27:41 PM EDT
[#31]
This is a tag.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 3:34:01 PM EDT
[#32]
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Didn't Bushmaster make one of the ugly poor selling fuckers 15 years ago?


http://www.ozarkguns.com/Bushmaster/Bullpup/30-900-sa.jpg


15 years ago?!?! Wow, It's been a long time. Stop trying to make me feel old....
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 3:35:19 PM EDT
[#33]
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Ace stocks had a few pics of a bullpup AR on their site for years, not anymore.

that being said, I'll take one of these.

Brad


I remember that... anyone know what ever happened there?
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 3:40:25 PM EDT
[#34]
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Didn't Bushmaster make one of the ugly poor selling fuckers 15 years ago?


http://www.ozarkguns.com/Bushmaster/Bullpup/30-900-sa.jpg


15 years ago?!?! Wow, It's been a long time. Stop trying to make me feel old....


Uh, I used to see those at the gun shows in the early 90's. I think it's more like 20 years. I had one for about a month. The extrusion that made up the body & stock got super hot in the sun.

Link Posted: 11/28/2011 3:41:38 PM EDT
[#35]
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I want one.

I am impressed with the looks and design.

I like that it is a part, and not another rifle.

As long as he has a "cut out" showing the serial number I think he would be good to go.

I hope he demonstrates that it is reliable and accurate at a reasonable price.

I hope the people here at ar15.com will support him.

Good Luck!!!!!!!!!!


That'll be difficult if the site really is locking any discussion about the rifle, since he isn't an "industry partner."

The rifle looks good. One with a 16" barrel would be pretty compact.



Link Posted: 11/28/2011 3:44:06 PM EDT
[#36]
That is quite genius! Do want!
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 3:45:22 PM EDT
[#37]
gimegimmegimmegimme
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 3:47:32 PM EDT
[#38]
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The way to fix the trigger is to make it electronIc.


ATF says that's an MG.


I believe the ATF says if it's easily converted to fire more than 1 round with each "pull" of the trigger, it's an MG.  But a simple solenoid that cannot act more than once per trigger pull should be ok, no?
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 3:49:04 PM EDT
[#39]
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The way to fix the trigger is to make it electronIc.


ATF says that's an MG.


I believe the ATF says if it's easily converted to fire more than 1 round with each "pull" of the trigger, it's an MG.  But a simple solenoid that cannot act more than once per trigger pull should be ok, no?


How would you get the solenoid to fire, release and repeatedly fire when linked to a single momentary switch (the trigger)?  You can't.  You'd need some manner of circuitry in there.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 3:50:18 PM EDT
[#40]
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The way to fix the trigger is to make it electronIc.


ATF says that's an MG.


I believe the ATF says if it's easily converted to fire more than 1 round with each "pull" of the trigger, it's an MG.  But a simple solenoid that cannot act more than once per trigger pull should be ok, no?


How would you get the solenoid to fire, release and repeatedly fire when linked to a single momentary switch (the trigger)?  You can't.  You'd need some manner of circuitry in there.


Spring return?  That is, the solenoid trips the sear when the switch(trigger) is closed, when the switch is opened, it returns by spring power.  No circuity required.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 3:58:34 PM EDT
[#41]
Very cool design.  
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 4:52:34 PM EDT
[#42]
As long as it takes AR barrels, I'd be all over it. I need a bullpup in 6.5
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 5:22:09 PM EDT
[#43]
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Not only is he smart but he also has a shit ton of business sense.  Its hard to import a firearm.  He just built a product that he can import and sell much more easily and will much less legal red tape and hassle.


Importing and exporting major gun-specific parts (i.e., not some generic roll pin that could be used in dozens of applications) is also hard.

.


That must explain all of the parts kits that get into the country from stripped out commie guns with chopped receivers...



Link Posted: 11/28/2011 5:23:05 PM EDT
[#44]
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Maybe he can sell it to Bushmaster so they fuck that up too.


lol
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 5:25:51 PM EDT
[#45]



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The way to fix the trigger is to make it electronIc.


Pretty sure thats a  no no.

 
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 5:32:19 PM EDT
[#46]
I am really impressed, and I would buy one in a heartbeat if it ends up being reliable and quality made, whenever it releases.  I look forward to his second prototype. Only comment is the way he seemed to be handling this version, it seemed a little heavy. But I could be wrong. I totally get it's his first prototype also. I am sure a guy as smart as him will the kinks worked out.

I have been wanting a bullpup for years, but just couldn't quite convince myself to buy an AUG. I will probably have to wait three years for this thing to hit th market!

KOTB
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 5:33:13 PM EDT
[#47]
Very cool. I always hated bullpup designs, but this one intrigues me.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 5:39:48 PM EDT
[#48]
OK, I'll stay tuned for #2!  Looks like a very smooth design.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 5:41:53 PM EDT
[#49]
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I like the idea.

You can have a 20" rifle barrel in a weapon shorter than an M-4 (and, with a 16" bbl, much shorter).  

However...

BATFE will take one look at that, say "serial number is covered up" and ass rape you.

AFARR


It's a simple matter to cut a hole in the receiver shell to show the serial number similar to what the Sig P250 does.
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 5:44:40 PM EDT
[#50]
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The way to fix the trigger is to make it electronIc.


ATF says that's an MG.


I believe the ATF says if it's easily converted to fire more than 1 round with each "pull" of the trigger, it's an MG.  But a simple solenoid that cannot act more than once per trigger pull should be ok, no?


How would you get the solenoid to fire, release and repeatedly fire when linked to a single momentary switch (the trigger)?  You can't.  You'd need some manner of circuitry in there.


Spring return?  That is, the solenoid trips the sear when the switch(trigger) is closed, when the switch is opened, it returns by spring power.  No circuity required.


ATF would still probably determine you could drop a paintball gun or airsoft chip in there and bam instant full auto.
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