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Posted: 3/14/2016 7:52:52 AM EDT
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Why? They get interest payments.
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Posted: 3/14/2016 7:53:54 AM EDT
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We are in debt, we are getting deeper in debt. China owns a ton of that debt. I would have to think they will eventually get sick of IOUs. What can they do to get their money back? The same as every other bond holder. They get interest payments and when the bond reaches maturity they get the principal back. Or they can sell them on the market. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 7:59:00 AM EDT
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Cash for clunkers....guess where the clunkers went.
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:00:30 AM EDT
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Bonds. Learn about them.
The debt is owed to the market. They sell notes on the market. China buys them. So what? China can not get tired of IOUs as you are saying. We do not go to China and borrow money. We sell bonds. China buys them because they are more stable than their currency or banks. That will not change for at least a Half-century. When it does change it will because of US devaluation. Bonds are a good scam and we get the better end of them as the seller. The debt is a problem. It's just not a problem with China. It's a problem because we are overspending. If/when China ever stops buying more bonds the interest payments will go up, we devalue more, stay in the same place over time. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:01:31 AM EDT
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... foreclosure
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:03:05 AM EDT
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I think at 30bil a month in trade advantage....they are doing a great job.
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:03:18 AM EDT
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Maybe we can just call it even considering all the money China owes the USA.
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:05:31 AM EDT
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Pretty significant amount of our debt is not owned by the Chinese -- it's owned by us. Yes, that's right, we buy our own debt.
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:06:17 AM EDT
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Pretty significant amount of our debt is not owned by the Chinese -- it's owned by us. Yes, that's right, we buy our own debt. This. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:09:07 AM EDT
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Pretty significant amount of our debt is not owned by the Chinese -- it's owned by us. Yes, that's right, we buy our own debt. I think Chinese own 8% or less. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:12:51 AM EDT
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We are in debt, we are getting deeper in debt. China owns a ton of that debt. I would have to think they will eventually get sick of IOUs. What can they do to get their money back? You do understand that taking on our debt is just a fee they are paying to do business with the US. They know they'll never see that money again, all part of doing business with the US. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:18:42 AM EDT
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Pretty significant amount of our debt is not owned by the Chinese -- it's owned by us. Yes, that's right, we buy our own debt. It's mind bogaling how few people understand the monetization of our debt and the inevitable ramifications. The money lenders will suck this country dry and move on to the next, as they've always done. Probably within the next 100 years. I'm thinking India will be their next victim. I'm already hearing rumors of their infiltration into that culture. They already speak the language next step will be to start breeding with them to better fit in. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:22:24 AM EDT
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We'll give them more Mission Impossible movies.
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:23:02 AM EDT
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Pretty significant amount of our debt is not owned by the Chinese -- it's owned by us. Yes, that's right, we buy our own debt. Us? or the federal reserve? |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:24:18 AM EDT
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We are in debt, we are getting deeper in debt. China owns a ton of that debt. I would have to think they will eventually get sick of IOUs. What can they do to get their money back? they can't we should double the size of our attack sub fleet and tell them to wank off. but China is not our only debt holder Korea, Japan & other valued allies buy our debt too. I personally we should offer to pay off the debt in food we are the largest exporter of 25-39 crops or meats China exports toasters but not food. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:25:59 AM EDT
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You wake up one morning and all the Chinese restaurants are closed down until paid in full.
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:26:58 AM EDT
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You wake up one morning and all the Chinese restaurants are closed down until paid in full. Don't even joke like that ... |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:28:40 AM EDT
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They can sell all that paper debt and buy physical gold. Then once they converted everything, come out with gold backed renminbi as dollar goes down drain
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:29:54 AM EDT
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Government has a printing press, therefore can't go bankrupt.
If China actually cashed in their bonds, they would have to spend the money on US shit, stimulating our economy. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:31:34 AM EDT
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Government has a printing press, therefore can't go bankrupt. If China actually cashed in their bonds, they would have to spend the money on US shit, stimulating our economy. Well the federal reserve has the printing presses |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:32:45 AM EDT
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They can sell all that paper debt and buy physical gold. Then once they converted everything, come out with gold backed renminbi as dollar goes down drain Where do you all dream this kind of silliness up from? |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:33:55 AM EDT
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... foreclosure We will have to give them California in a settlement. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:36:49 AM EDT
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It is all built on a house of cards with smoke and mirror windows..
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:45:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is all built on a house of cards with smoke and mirror windows.. "Get to work peasant, or we will throw your family out on the street. BTW, taxes due next week, we want half." |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:47:03 AM EDT
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Hitch up a big repo truck to Hawaii.
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Posted: 3/14/2016 8:55:07 AM EDT
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We are in debt, we are getting deeper in debt. China owns a ton of that debt. I would have to think they will eventually get sick of IOUs. What can they do to get their money back? Why do you assume that China holds "a ton of that debt"? I suppose it depends on what the definition of "a ton" is. It appears that China holds something less than 10 percent of our debt . . . http://www.businessinsider.com/who-we-owe-federal-debt-to-2013-10 https://www.nationalpriorities.org/campaigns/us-federal-debt-who/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2014/10/28/who-owns-the-most-u-s-debt/#61d04ac51907 |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:05:31 AM EDT
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We will have to give them California in a settlement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... foreclosure We will have to give them California in a settlement. Can we give them NYC too |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:40:34 AM EDT
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It's mind bogaling how few people understand the monetization of our debt and the inevitable ramifications. The money lenders will suck this country dry and move on to the next, as they've always done. Probably within the next 100 years. I'm thinking India will be their next victim. I'm already hearing rumors of their infiltration into that culture. They already speak the language next step will be to start breeding with them to better fit in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty significant amount of our debt is not owned by the Chinese -- it's owned by us. Yes, that's right, we buy our own debt. It's mind bogaling how few people understand the monetization of our debt and the inevitable ramifications. The money lenders will suck this country dry and move on to the next, as they've always done. Probably within the next 100 years. I'm thinking India will be their next victim. I'm already hearing rumors of their infiltration into that culture. They already speak the language next step will be to start breeding with them to better fit in. I don't consider US banks to be one of "us". |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:43:20 AM EDT
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... foreclosure of a dream |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:43:53 AM EDT
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They can sell all that paper debt and buy physical gold. Then once they converted everything, come out with gold backed renminbi as dollar goes down drain How much physical gold is there in the universe to back a trillion dollar economy? |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:49:55 AM EDT
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It's mind bogaling how few people understand the monetization of our debt and the inevitable ramifications. The money lenders will suck this country dry and move on to the next, as they've always done. Probably within the next 100 years. I'm thinking India will be their next victim. I'm already hearing rumors of their infiltration into that culture. They already speak the language next step will be to start breeding with them to better fit in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty significant amount of our debt is not owned by the Chinese -- it's owned by us. Yes, that's right, we buy our own debt. It's mind bogaling how few people understand the monetization of our debt and the inevitable ramifications. The money lenders will suck this country dry and move on to the next, as they've always done. Probably within the next 100 years. I'm thinking India will be their next victim. I'm already hearing rumors of their infiltration into that culture. They already speak the language next step will be to start breeding with them to better fit in. Make me smart on the part in red, please. I don't get it. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:54:11 AM EDT
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Cash for clunkers....guess where the clunkers went. http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/china-cold-open/n12611 |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:57:10 AM EDT
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Why do you assume that China holds "a ton of that debt"? I suppose it depends on what the definition of "a ton" is. It appears that China holds something less than 10 percent of our debt . . . 10% of our debt is still a ton of debt. It is only small relative to our ridiculous amount of total debt. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:59:25 AM EDT
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seems they have been given some land in certain places of the US by the .gov.
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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:59:41 AM EDT
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We are in debt, we are getting deeper in debt. China owns a ton of that debt. I would have to think they will eventually get sick of IOUs. What can they do to get their money back? How much do we owe them, and how much is our payment? |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:01:18 AM EDT
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They are already collecting.
They are buying companies and assets in the United States. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:02:05 AM EDT
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 The Chinese know T-bills are the shitz and deposited some of them with an American bank (Wells Fargo) as collateral for loans to buy real property in America. What's the American banks going to do? Say our money is the sh*tz and refuse to accept them? 
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:08:29 AM EDT
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Pretty significant amount of our debt is not owned by the Chinese -- it's owned by us. Yes, that's right, we buy our own debt. Yep, as of 2013... http://www.factcheck.org/2013/11/who-holds-our-debt/ 
And to think in only three years our country has added over $2.25 trillion in new debt...were fucked |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:11:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: We are in debt, we are getting deeper in debt. China owns a ton of that debt. I would have to think they will eventually get sick of IOUs. What can they do to get their money back? |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:13:57 AM EDT
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We gave them 400 billion in trade deficit last year alone. China is doing just fine
Now buy more.f35s Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:14:23 AM EDT
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Dump about $300B of UST on the open market in 2-3 hours. We would give them whatever they wanted after that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We are in debt, we are getting deeper in debt. China owns a ton of that debt. I would have to think they will eventually get sick of IOUs. What can they do to get their money back? That's not really how it works. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:15:04 AM EDT
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Yep, as of 2013... http://www.factcheck.org/2013/11/who-holds-our-debt/ http://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2013/11/Debt-Chart-531x355.png And to think in only three years our country has added over $2.25 trillion in new debt...were fucked Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty significant amount of our debt is not owned by the Chinese -- it's owned by us. Yes, that's right, we buy our own debt. Yep, as of 2013... http://www.factcheck.org/2013/11/who-holds-our-debt/ http://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2013/11/Debt-Chart-531x355.png And to think in only three years our country has added over $2.25 trillion in new debt...were fucked China owns less than that now. They've been moving out of treasuries in recent months. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:27:17 AM EDT
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It is all built on a house of cards with smoke and mirror windows.. 
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:35:58 AM EDT
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Why? They get interest payments. This. Interest is forever. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:37:28 AM EDT
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how about we send those responsible for the debt over there to work it off?
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:43:46 AM EDT
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That's not really how it works. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We are in debt, we are getting deeper in debt. China owns a ton of that debt. I would have to think they will eventually get sick of IOUs. What can they do to get their money back? That's not really how it works. You're in an Arfcom thread about China owning our debt. Did you expect panickers to know what they're talking about? |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:46:45 AM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:49:46 AM EDT
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Christ this thread is filled with stupid.
The biggest "debt" holder for the US is Social Security. That is right. The USG sells SS its debt for cash now. It is beyond a ponzi scheme. A total of 35% is held by foreign nations. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:51:03 AM EDT
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Brad Thor says China will deploy EMPs prior to launching an invasion, in order to collect. That is unless Scot Harvath can save the day.
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:51:31 AM EDT
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As fucked up as our economy is, it's on bedrock compared to China.
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