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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:46:35 PM EST
[#1]
could be the worst accident of the rest of your life
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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:46:58 PM EST
[#2]
If you aren't an idiot, not very.
Be careful with what you are doing and wear some chaps. Understand the mechanics of what causes kickback. Easy. Is an actual kickback dangerous? Yes. But it's as easy to avoid as a negligent discharge. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:50:44 PM EST
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I've never had it happen to me, but I don't use real deal chisel chains which as I understand can be more prone to kick back.
I also cut cut trees like an old man and take my sweet ass time doing it. So far, my face and all my limbs and digits are in place. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:51:28 PM EST
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New saws have anti-kickback safety devices, I would not trust...be very aware of the bar tip.
I met a guy that split his face cutting in a tree and getting kickback. Especially dangerous are high power saws, and contact with the nose of the bar. I've had saws kick and engage the safety brake a number of times. ETA: Kickback is only one safety concern with a chainsaw.... LOTS of things can go wrong there. 
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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:52:00 PM EST
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If you aren't an idiot, not very. Be careful with what you are doing and wear some chaps. Understand the mechanics of what causes kickback. Easy. Is an actual kickback dangerous? Yes. But it's as easy to avoid as a negligent discharge. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:52:29 PM EST
[#6]
Compared to what, the Bubonic Plague?
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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:52:33 PM EST
[#7]
are you a bleeder?
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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:53:15 PM EST
[#8]
Obligatory "it happens faster than you would think" video.
 Chainsaw Kickback I try to keep my face and body out of the chain line. Wear ppe always and don't cut when you are tired. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:54:02 PM EST
[#9]
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Obligatory "it happens faster than you would think" video.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQprZevgbxU
I try to keep my face and body out of the chain line. Wear ppe always and don't cut when you are tired. 
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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:54:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes and no. A ND is completely one's fault and preventable. Kickback always isn't. It's the same thing as keeping the muzzle pointed in the right direction. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:54:45 PM EST
[#11]
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are you a bleeder? 
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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:55:05 PM EST
[#12]
FIL had it happen in the middle of BFE AZ years ago. It was an hour and half to hospital. He took it in the middle of the face and had about 40 stitches and a broken nose.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:55:19 PM EST
[#13]
High potential. Chainsaws earned a warning label.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:55:20 PM EST
[#14]
Had a chain brake and wrap around my thigh. Not a single cut but had some bruising. Scared the crap out of me.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:56:17 PM EST
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When I go online, whether it's blogs, articles, YouTube, etc., everything is "zomg chainsaw kickback you will split your head open every time you're in the woods" or "if you don't do X, Y, and Z your saw will kickback into your jugular vein and you will die" Compared to real life, I have never met anyone particularly concerned about it. Sure, most men with chainsaws try to be safety conscious (to a degree) but of all the warnings and convos and talk I've never heard anyone specifically mention kickback. I understand it's a legitimate and real concern, but how often does an uncontrollable kickback occur? I used to have a pair of levis that had a 2" diagonal cut just inside the left knee...put there by a kickback. I was limbing a tree I knocked down for firewood. Happens so fast you can't do anything about it. Hence the brakes on the newer saws. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:57:25 PM EST
[#16]
It's no big deal on saws up to 60 or 70cc. But when you get into the big boys, it's a whole different story.
Tony |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:57:43 PM EST
[#17]
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Had a chain brake and wrap around my thigh. Not a single cut but had some bruising. Scared the crap out of me.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:00:06 PM EST
[#18]
Very...
In the 80s, I occasionally used a bow saw.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:00:26 PM EST
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When I go online, whether it's blogs, articles, YouTube, etc., everything is "zomg chainsaw kickback you will split your head open every time you're in the woods" or "if you don't do X, Y, and Z your saw will kickback into your jugular vein and you will die" Compared to real life, I have never met anyone particularly concerned about it. Sure, most men with chainsaws try to be safety conscious (to a degree) but of all the warnings and convos and talk I've never heard anyone specifically mention kickback. I understand it's a legitimate and real concern, but how often does an uncontrollable kickback occur? So you've not done the Google>Images search yet? A.W.D. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:00:48 PM EST
[#20]
If you understand how kickback occurs, it's easy to avoid. Quite simply, don't put the tip of the bar in the wood. This is what an anti-kickback device does. If you have a 20 inch bar, don't cut anything bigger than 18 inches. You can, but you have to cut around first, reducing the effective diameter.
Don't operate any power tools tired or frustrated, ever. Also a good rule. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:01:01 PM EST
[#21]
When we got our chainsaw instruction from the head of the city’s tree department he certainly said it was possible. He made all of his guys wear PPE, and had some nasty stories from those who didn’t.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:02:06 PM EST
[#22]
I know a multi-generational family of loggers that have had one death and one career ending injury from kickbacks. Both times resulted in organs being let out into the air.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:03:31 PM EST
[#23]
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Very... In the 80s, I occasionally used a bow saw. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:04:03 PM EST
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I recovered a decedent from one, the break on the saw was engaged, however the bar/chain fractured his skull in two places. He was mobile for a shot time but unable to get help and died. Alcohol was involved.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:04:54 PM EST
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Being in a physical position to eat the kickback is 100% operator caused. It's a very simple procedure to position yourself out of harm's way while making a kickback-prone cut. It's the same thing as keeping the muzzle pointed in the right direction. All of what he said. Know your machine and bad positioning. Or bleeding could occur, requiring first-aid . Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yes and no. A ND is completely one's fault and preventable. Kickback always isn't. It's the same thing as keeping the muzzle pointed in the right direction. All of what he said. Know your machine and bad positioning. Or bleeding could occur, requiring first-aid . |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:05:38 PM EST
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When I go online, whether it's blogs, articles, YouTube, etc., everything is "zomg chainsaw kickback you will split your head open every time you're in the woods" or "if you don't do X, Y, and Z your saw will kickback into your jugular vein and you will die" Compared to real life, I have never met anyone particularly concerned about it. Sure, most men with chainsaws try to be safety conscious (to a degree) but of all the warnings and convos and talk I've never heard anyone specifically mention kickback. I understand it's a legitimate and real concern, but how often does an uncontrollable kickback occur? |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:05:42 PM EST
[#27]
Not as much of an issue with safety chains and newer saws. Like many have already mentioned common sense about your body position in relationship to the direction a kick-back would occur is 100% on the operator.
I know of at least 3 people who've been bit pretty good. I can all but guarantee you that 2 of them were drunk when it happened. The other just got lucky with some nasty scratches. I wear chain saw chaps every time I cut now. Cheap insurance when cutting in uncontrolled environments that trees like to grow in. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:06:13 PM EST
[#28]
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Obligatory "it happens faster than you would think" video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQprZevgbxU
I try to keep my face and body out of the chain line. Wear ppe always and don't cut when you are tired. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:06:14 PM EST
[#29]
A chainsaw is more dangerous than all of the guns in your safe. Far more likley to get hurt with one than have an ND or KB happen. Treat them with the utmost respect.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:06:40 PM EST
[#30]
Many years ago I was getting ready for work when the girlfriend complained we had no wood for the fireplace. I ran out to the shop to cut up some old pallets I'd been meaning to get rid of. Fired up the chain saw and started cutting. About halfway through the job I hit a nail I hadn't noticed, the saw bucked and came down on my foot. Wouldn't have been a problem had I been wearing my boots but I just had tennis shoes on. Saw chewed through half my big toe and opened a squirter.
Tl,dr. I was an idiot and didn't take proper care when using a tool id become far too compacent with. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:06:40 PM EST
[#31]
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Now THAT'S crazy! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Very... In the 80s, I occasionally used a bow saw. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:07:49 PM EST
[#32]
The property I now own came up for sale because the previous owner had a saw kickback and cut his throat.
It was a few days before anyone found him. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:08:23 PM EST
[#33]
I'm waiting for the next shoe to drop, requiring chain saw registration.
A very real risk, and one I am willing to live with to feed my firewood hoard habit. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:09:08 PM EST
[#34]
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Not as much of an issue with safety chains and newer saws. Like many have already mentioned common sense about your body position in relationship to the direction a kick-back would occur is 100% on the operator. I know of at least 3 people who've been bit pretty good. I can all but guarantee you that 2 of them were drunk when it happened. The other just got lucky with some nasty scratches. I wear chain saw chaps every time I cut now. Cheap insurance when cutting in uncontrolled environments that trees like to grow in. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:09:31 PM EST
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Was only a teen too... That's some fine parenting there dad! I'd post a pic if I had one hosted, many wouldn't believe such a thing existed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Very... In the 80s, I occasionally used a bow saw. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:10:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: wow. does he still have an arm? |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:11:59 PM EST
[#37]
It's more to do with the potential severity than the probability.
Think of a poodle and a GSD. The poodle is more likely to bite you. But, if and when the GSD does decide to bite, it bites a hell of a lot worse. There was a guy killed by a saw kicking back on him in front of the shop several years ago. Yes, he was not using it wisely. They're dangerous like radial arm saws are dangerous. Not bad if you pay attention. Not very forgiving if you don't. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:12:20 PM EST
[#38]
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Obligatory "it happens faster than you would think" video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQprZevgbxU
I try to keep my face and body out of the chain line. Wear ppe always and don't cut when you are tired. Ive never heard of kickback Glad I didn't learn the hard way |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:13:56 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Obligatory "it happens faster than you would think" video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQprZevgbxU
I try to keep my face and body out of the chain line. Wear ppe always and don't cut when you are tired. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:15:26 PM EST
[#40]
It's super dangerous but it's also completely avoidable.
I've spent a lot of time running saws and the only kickback injury incident I ever witnessed was a guy who made a cut improperly AND wasn't holding the saw properly at the time, the kick pulled the saw out of his hand and bit his shoulder. Your hand has to be on the top handle to engage the brake. Wrap your thumb and hold on to it, don't cut into a bind and keep your tip clear. Chaps are kinda like wearing a vest to the range IMO, sure it might save you but Darwin is still gonna Darwin. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:15:46 PM EST
[#41]
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A chainsaw is more dangerous than all of the guns in your safe. Far more likley to get hurt with one than have an ND or KB happen. Treat them with the utmost respect. A gun is only dangerous in one direction, and it's easy to avoid being in that direction, and the gun is not constantly trying to change that direction to where you are. Zero of those are true for a chiansaw
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:16:40 PM EST
[#42]
High school shop teacher had the kind of scar chics don't dig from trying to limb the lower branches of a standing tree.
I wear chaps and a helmet/faceguard, with zero fucks given about the looks from the locals. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:17:22 PM EST
[#43]
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If you aren't an idiot, not very. Be careful with what you are doing and wear some chaps. Understand the mechanics of what causes kickback. Easy. Is an actual kickback dangerous? Yes. But it's as easy to avoid as a negligent discharge. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:17:24 PM EST
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Only saw it connect once:
My older brother about 40 years ago. We had been clearing trees that had grown thru a chainlink fence, one of us on either side. I happened to look across and he was staring at me, saw on the ground, arm across his face, elbow pit clamped across his mouth! And blood running out below it! He took off running down the hill, I had to run 150 feet to the end of the fence, 6' with 3 strands on top. He ran into a gas station at the bottom of the hill, and they called for an ambulance. Turned out a lot better it could ' ve been. Very tip of bar him top lip and broke off both front teeth at gumline. I thought he had cut his jugular! |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:18:09 PM EST
[#45]
 For the record, a bow saw!
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:21:18 PM EST
[#46]
I watched my friend saw his shin,ankle and toe before the saw died. He was lucky.steel toe boots saved his foot from being cut in two. It is a very real danger.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:23:16 PM EST
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:23:21 PM EST
[#48]
Keep both hands on the saw, don’t file or grind your rakers too short and you should be fine.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:23:55 PM EST
[#49]
Very dangerous
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:25:16 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: that makes me want to never touch a chainsaw again Ive never heard of kickback Glad I didn't learn the hard way I'd never heard of it in real life; and always assumed most chainsaw injuries were to the lower legs and feet from swinging the bar around or having it get pushed into you. Then I watched YouTube . . . |
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