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Posted: 1/22/2023 5:52:28 PM EDT
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You do understand that the lower has "da switch" right?
Check brownells "retro" rifle lineup. 
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Posted: 1/22/2023 5:53:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2023 5:53:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2023 5:53:42 PM EDT
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Everyone is probably OOS. Just google Vietnam era M16 upper parts kit.
https://www.royaltigerimports.com/product-p/colt16pkb.htm https://centerfiresystems.com/product/original-colt-ar-223-m16a1-parts-kit-vietnam-era-grade-b-kit-ar-colt-b |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 5:54:17 PM EDT
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Look at PSA/h&R's m16a1 that they released at shot. I understand it isnt us govt property from Vietnam, but it's about as close as you're going to get without being a no shit usgi upper.
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Posted: 1/22/2023 5:54:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2023 5:56:13 PM EDT
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I think he wants a real one guys
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Posted: 1/22/2023 5:56:24 PM EDT
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No idea who these guys are and are not vintage but should work.
I asked in the retro forum as I wanted to build an A1 for my father that he used during that period. Someone was kind enough to offer one for a good price. https://www.tntesales.com/a1 |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 5:58:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think he wants a real one guys But an A1 vintage upper on an standard lower is kind of stupid. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 7:12:47 PM EDT
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I found mine at a gun show. 1980's vintage made by a company called Engineering Research. Paid $180 for it. Bore is shiny and chromed.
I built it into an A1 clone, but didn't go the whole 9 yards of getting an a1 lower... I did do Moly Resin to match the lower to the upper in color, however. Thing will ring a 12"x24" torso gong all day long at 300 yards with open sights. 
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Posted: 1/22/2023 7:34:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2023 7:42:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI used to attend a gunshow in Frederick MD, they would attend. Their rifles are beautiful works of art. But experience. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 7:51:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2023 7:54:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No idea who these guys are and are not vintage but should work. I asked in the retro forum as I wanted to build an A1 for my father that he used during that period. Someone was kind enough to offer one for a good price. https://www.tntesales.com/a1 Do not under any circumstances use TopNotch Top End. Ordered a bunch of stainless upper parts from them a few years ago. Took forever to get some of the parts. Took longer to get the rest of them. Coworker ordered a complete upper. Took almost a year to get it. And it was wrong. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 7:58:28 PM EDT
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Keep an eye on Apex Gun Parts. They occasionally get M16A1 parts kits in stock, but they sell out fast.
Found an upper. Dolla dolla bills yo. 1 in stock. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:00:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do understand that the lower has "da switch" right? Check brownells "retro" rifle lineup. No I want the upper, not the lower. I don't want the full auto switch. I already have a plain old semi-auto AR15 so I can just use the lower I already have. Thanks though. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:01:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep an eye on Apex Gun Parts. They occasionally get M16A1 parts kits in stock, but they sell out fast. Found an upper. Dolla dolla bills yo. 1 in stock. Thanks sir! Holy cats that is a little more expensive than I thought though. Hmm I might have to find another source! |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:05:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone is probably OOS. Just google Vietnam era M16 upper parts kit. https://www.royaltigerimports.com/product-p/colt16pkb.htm https://centerfiresystems.com/product/original-colt-ar-223-m16a1-parts-kit-vietnam-era-grade-b-kit-ar-colt-b Unless there are some forgotten about in some govt warehouse,or some get shipped in from overseas, OP will have to watch for firearms auctions, and for collections for sale. And have at least $2000 I'd guess. Probably more than that. * i wasnt that far off |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:06:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I found mine at a gun show. 1980's vintage made by a company called Engineering Research. Paid $180 for it. Bore is shiny and chromed. I built it into an A1 clone, but didn't go the whole 9 yards of getting an a1 lower... I did do Moly Resin to match the lower to the upper in color, however. Thing will ring a 12"x24" torso gong all day long at 300 yards with open sights. https://i.imgur.com/kzAqAIO.jpg 
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:11:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks sir! Holy cats that is a little more expensive than I thought though. Hmm I might have to find another source! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Keep an eye on Apex Gun Parts. They occasionally get M16A1 parts kits in stock, but they sell out fast. Found an upper. Dolla dolla bills yo. 1 in stock. Thanks sir! Holy cats that is a little more expensive than I thought though. Hmm I might have to find another source! |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:13:56 PM EDT
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You're a little late for a cheap GI upper. Prices on all of that stuff has skyrocketed. If a repro is good enough, these should be coming out soon.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/brands/h-r-arms-co.html |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:15:39 PM EDT
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I heard 55gr pills out of a 20" 1:12 twist barrel creates wicked channels.
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:16:18 PM EDT
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This one is a Vietnam era USGI replacement upper (PM marked) on a pre-ban PWA Commando A1 lower.
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:17:59 PM EDT
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You can find them online, they’re rare but they’re out there. Example: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/966892112
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:19:37 PM EDT
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Never mind.
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:22:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep an eye on Apex Gun Parts. They occasionally get M16A1 parts kits in stock, but they sell out fast. Found an upper. Dolla dolla bills yo. 1 in stock. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:22:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do understand that the lower has "da switch" right? Check brownells "retro" rifle lineup. Son, you sound like the kind of guy that couldn't sell based pussy on a troop train just coming out of the shower. Fu.. 
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:24:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Colt M16A1 reproduction. Sometimes these show up on Gun Broker. Very close to the original except no FA parts or FA milling. It will cost you! Mine is a joy to shoot. https://imgdump5.novarata.net/jm29t7.jpg |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:25:02 PM EDT
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The Louisville KY gun show in 2006 had M16A1 uppers for sell for 135 bucks each
lol the good old days before the boys in the retro forum here drove the prices to the moon |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:28:30 PM EDT
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I got one from CDNN, 16 or 17 years ago and mated it to a NoDak Spud lower.
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:34:59 PM EDT
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I picked a USGI surplus upper off the EE over 10 years ago, back when they were cheap. It’s on a Nodak lower.
 One of my co-workers picked up a Brownells complete rifle and it shoots really well. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:42:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're a little late for a cheap GI upper. Prices on all of that stuff has skyrocketed. If a repro is good enough, these should be coming out soon. https://palmettostatearmory.com/brands/h-r-arms-co.html Quote HistoryQuoted: You're a little late for a cheap GI upper. Prices on all of that stuff has skyrocketed. If a repro is good enough, these should be coming out soon. https://palmettostatearmory.com/brands/h-r-arms-co.html This. Quoted: I heard 55gr pills out of a 20" 1:12 twist barrel creates wicked channels. No different than anything else. Twist rate has almost nothing to do with terminal effects. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:45:37 PM EDT
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I have one sitting here, doing nothing. I forgot I had it until reading this thread. Had a retro lower receiver on it, but sold that to someone back east years ago. It's on a modern receiver now, but genuine A-1 buttstock and pistol grip.
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:51:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I picked a USGI surplus upper off the EE over 10 years ago, back when they were cheap. It's on a Nodak lower. https://i.imgur.com/WB9VML2.jpg One of my co-workers picked up a Brownells complete rifle and it shoots really well. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:52:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks sir! Holy cats that is a little more expensive than I thought though. Hmm I might have to find another source! you know they routinely sell on gunbroker for around $1,000 check there after Mondays, most stuff gets listed on weekends |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:55:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Son, you sound like the kind of guy that couldn't sell based pussy on a troop train just coming out of the shower. Fu.. You obviously suffer from reading comprehension 101, read the thread title over. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:58:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2023 9:00:34 PM EDT
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Need a stamp for a full auto upper.
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Posted: 1/22/2023 9:06:14 PM EDT
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OP, check out PSA's 2 new retro rifle offerings they just announced at shot.
My retired-M16 kit: 1x12. Bakelite PG. 3 prong FH. Small delta ring. No storage.  Bought this kit from the EE 20 years ago for a whopping $500. It's old.. As in before the M16A1. XM retro lower, waffle mag and no-notch chrome bolt from Brownells.  The seller was all like; 'Sorry some of the stocks may come with rack numbers painted on them, should be easy to remove with some cleaner.' |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 9:07:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Need a stamp for a full auto upper. bwaaaahaaaahaaaaaa, god that was the dumbest joke I have ever heard. Thanks, needed the laugh |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 9:13:59 PM EDT
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If you want authentic and not a repro, you're pretty much dependent on the secondhand market. Watch the Equipment Exchange and gun shows. Gunbroker is an option, but you won't get any deals there.
15-20-years-ago we were able to get lightly-used LE trade-in upper assemblies for <$400. Those days are gone. Any that come in retail quantities these days are going to be beat-to-shit from third-world use. "Retro" rifle owners post-whore pic thread. My favorite AR: 
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Posted: 1/22/2023 9:44:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, check out PSA's 2 new retro rifle offerings they just announced at shot. My retired-M16 kit: 1x12. Bakelite PG. 3 prong FH. Small delta ring. No storage. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2048/20220219_165528-2285493.jpg Bought this kit from the EE 20 years ago for a whopping $500. It's old.. As in before the M16A1. XM retro lower, waffle mag and no-notch chrome bolt from Brownells. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2048/20220219_170752-2285511.jpg The seller was all like; 'Sorry some of the stocks may come with rack numbers painted on them, should be easy to remove with some cleaner.' That's a feature, not a bug. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 9:46:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryStill set up the same as the day my uncle handed it to me when I was a kid. Killed my first buck with it. 
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Posted: 1/22/2023 9:53:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No different than anything else. Twist rate has almost nothing to do with terminal effects. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I heard 55gr pills out of a 20" 1:12 twist barrel creates wicked channels. No different than anything else. Twist rate has almost nothing to do with terminal effects. Thanks. I didn't know that. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 9:59:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep an eye on Apex Gun Parts. They occasionally get M16A1 parts kits in stock, but they sell out fast. Found an upper. Dolla dolla bills yo. 1 in stock. I appear to have gotten the retro bug at the correct point in time.  That 1969 C MP C upper only ran me $225 at a gun show, the chrome BGC was another $150. Mine looks to be in a lot better shape than the Apex one as well. I really pity the people with the bug now, vintage is insane. Happily, it looks like you can get a repop put together relatively affordably by hitting Brownells and, soon, H&R. My A1 clone doesn't have anything vintage but the sling, stock, grip and handguards. Oooops! And the port door and sights. At one time the correct ejection port cover was the bottle-neck in making a clone.  When I built the A1 it was about a grand total and more than the mostly vintage R604. I see that prices have inverted. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:05:27 PM EDT
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Got some original usaf contract colt 30 rounders laying around somewhere with the green jelly follower. Found em at a gun show for $5 each.
Not the upper but if you’re going original a 60s era 30rounder fits the bill. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:20:52 PM EDT
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I ran a thread on this Colt a while back. Is there any difference in the upper from a M-16?
 I know someone that has a 16" upper given to him from some 'special forces' friend. He is super paranoid about using it because he thinks it's a machine gun part. It looks like a regular carbine upper to me. Would there be anything different about a mil-issued upper? |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:56:14 PM EDT
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Yea on over to Retro black rifle and do some research on what model you want to build. Then decide how clone correct you want it to be. Your opinions on both may change as you shop for parts and I have built many over the years but was lucky to get into them when parts were a little more available and cheaper.
There is a retro forum here that can help you out if you want to go down that rabbit hole. My builds range from an all original 1964 4 digit SP1 to clone correct guns, partly correct guns to what I call “retro inspired” or Frankenguns that could have been. They are all fun and some get more correct as I happen upon parts but 2 that I will never build mostly due to parts availability and costs are a 601 and a 602. I have had all the parts for. 601 pass through my hands at different times but sold them off as I vowed I would never build one. I have a beautiful 601 upper here right now that keeps tempting me though.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 11:00:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I ran a thread on this Colt a while back. Is there any difference in the upper from a M-16? https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/q94/junker46/IMG_20221029_123407.jpg I know someone that has a 16" upper given to him from some 'special forces' friend. He is super paranoid about using it because he thinks it's a machine gun part. It looks like a regular carbine upper to me. Would there be anything different about a mil-issued upper? That’s an interesting gun. No fence lower and early 604 upper where the machining profile just below the port door matches the profile of the lower. That’s a desirable upper and whats the story on the lower? It’s large pin so is it an SP1 lower I assume? |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 11:02:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I ran a thread on this Colt a while back. Is there any difference in the upper from a M-16? https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/q94/junker46/IMG_20221029_123407.jpg I know someone that has a 16" upper given to him from some 'special forces' friend. He is super paranoid about using it because he thinks it's a machine gun part. It looks like a regular carbine upper to me. Would there be anything different about a mil-issued upper? There is nothing different in a mil-issued upper versus the uppers that are on the market for the last 20 years. If it's an actual mil upper it's going to be 14.5 so would be pistol or NFA territory on barrel length. If it's 16 its just a random AR15 upper. At one time Colt made some uppers and bolt carriers that would not work on an FA lower, but it doesn't really mean anything, there is nothing an upper can do to make something be FA. |
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