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Posted: 11/22/2018 3:27:35 PM EDT
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 Attached File Attached FileNote the flight time, the less dense air makes for less velocity loss, less velocity loss makes for shorter flight time, shorter flight time means gravity pulls the bullet down over a shorter period therefore less drop over a given distance. The station pressure at 10k is 20.58 in/hg, 29.92 in/hg at sea level all other atmospherics are unchanged in the above. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 3:27:45 PM EDT
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I guess they just don't teach this shit anymore. You can inject modern precision bullets with different gases to change their performance. That's what that little hole in the tip is for on the OTM bullets. You can put helium in there to make the bullets rise more, or you can put something like carbon dioxide or sulfur hexafluoride in there to make the bullets drop faster, depending on what you're wanting to do. You have to be careful to not stick the needle in too far or you'll cause a leak and the gas won't stay in there. There's a PDF guidebook on how to choose the right gas and how to inject it properly. Should help you out, OP. Do a bit of searching it was linked here a while back. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 3:28:00 PM EDT
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Depends if the rifling is left or right hand twist. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 3:29:15 PM EDT
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Less bariatric pressure
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Posted: 11/22/2018 3:31:01 PM EDT
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... this thread is a complete waste of bandwidth. There's almost zero value in it 
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Posted: 11/22/2018 3:31:59 PM EDT
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Less bariatric pressure |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 3:35:56 PM EDT
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A CPAP can make that a bit worse, aggravating symptoms of GERD and asthma, as well as causing some enamel erosion on one's teeth. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Less bariatric pressure |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 3:36:14 PM EDT
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Less bariatric pressure In the sense of ballistics, bullets are known to go faster as the body weight of the shooter goes up. It's why you see a lot of really fat gun guys. Less bariatric pressure is a BAD thing. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 5:49:40 PM EDT
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28 seconds too late! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Post whore post. I want to see how this evolves into flat earth logic. 
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Posted: 11/22/2018 5:56:13 PM EDT
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Aim low.
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Posted: 11/22/2018 6:00:28 PM EDT
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Care to explain? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happens in real life does not always correlate to what the guy in the wheelchair tells us it is  Usain Bolt floats to victory in zero-gravity race |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 6:04:01 PM EDT
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Look what happens if you take your seat belt off after you go above 10's of hundreds of feet.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy5UDtRmbEAQuote HistoryQuoted:
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What happens in real life does not always correlate to what the guy in the wheelchair tells us it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy5UDtRmbEA |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 6:06:56 PM EDT
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Your shooting solution hardware should have measurements based off density altitude...
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Posted: 11/22/2018 6:08:39 PM EDT
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Acceleration of gravity does vary a little at different locations on the earth, something like 32.0 ft/sec/sec to 32.4 ft/sec/sec. But the thinner air of higher elevation should make a more noticeable difference. The bullet will lose less velocity as it travels because of less air molecules it has to push through. I knew extra big-ass tacos do. But air? |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 6:13:17 PM EDT
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I just hold a bit low when shooting at 10,000ft.
This bull was @10,000 ft and 1102 yds, held about 6 inches below his brisket.  Attached FileReal world trumps all that science bull shit. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 6:17:30 PM EDT
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They're experiencing zero g because they're in free fall, just like the folks on the ISS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happens in real life does not always correlate to what the guy in the wheelchair tells us it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy5UDtRmbEAEver notice how all plane crashes always happen at the ground 
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Posted: 11/22/2018 6:25:21 PM EDT
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Not sure if serious. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 6:29:44 PM EDT
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He has to be trolling. I still haven't figured out how these people derive enjoyment from making the world think they are idiots, but apparently they do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure if serious. 
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Posted: 11/22/2018 6:32:54 PM EDT
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Most are stymied by the intricacies of shooting above 10,000ft.
This shot was particularly technical. Step 1 Look for Muley buck.  Attached FileStep 2 Find Muley buck  Attached FileStep 3 Setup shot and wait for muely buck to stand up @680 yds.  Attached FileStep 4 Hold low and Profit.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 6:51:47 PM EDT
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Do you even physics? Acceleration due to gravity is a constant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/22/2018 6:55:59 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/83091/2018-11-22_13_26_42_jpg-747458.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/83091/2018-11-22_13_25_34_jpg-747459.JPG Note the flight time, the less dense air makes for less velocity loss, less velocity loss makes for shorter flight time, shorter flight time means gravity pulls the bullet down over a shorter period therefore less drop over a given distance. The station pressure at 10k is 20.58 in/hg, 29.92 in/hg at sea level all other atmospherics are unchanged in the above. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 6:58:05 PM EDT
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Am I to late to blame magnets?
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:06:21 PM EDT
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Most are stymied by the intricacies of shooting above 10,000ft. This shot was particularly technical. Step 1 Look for Muley buck. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/IMG_0026_jpg-747617.JPG Step 2 Find Muley buck https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/P1000110_jpg-747618.JPG Step 3 Setup shot and wait for muely buck to stand up @680 yds. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/IMG_0032_jpg-747619.JPG Step 4 Hold low and Profit. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/IMG_0039_jpg-747627.JPG 
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:06:27 PM EDT
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So how do they shoot down airplanes? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Gravity is always working so bullets are always falling. They don’t rise. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:08:01 PM EDT
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While 10,000 feet makes no difference on ballistics as far as gravity is concerned it makes you wonder about the ballistics in zero g. If you shoot a bullet in space would it have a flat trajectory? |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:09:48 PM EDT
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The bullet NEVER rises above the bore axis EVER. The bore axis can cross the sight axis but that is factor of sight alignment. It's why sloppy language makes sloppy thinking. Be sure of what your terms mean. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:11:24 PM EDT
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OPs not lying, guys, haven’t y’all seen this chart?? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/293861/EE40D193-4421-479D-9D15-286275D94091_png-747230.JPG  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:14:26 PM EDT
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The bullet gets to the target quicker therefore has less time be under the effect of gravity, thus falls less.
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:15:23 PM EDT
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While 10,000 feet makes no difference on ballistics as far as gravity is concerned it makes you wonder about the ballistics in zero g. If you shoot a bullet in space would it have a flat trajectory? |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:16:32 PM EDT
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Altitude doesn't change it much at all, shooting angle is a different story though. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:18:15 PM EDT
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Which doesn't show anything about how Litz handles gravity. Litz simply stays below 10,000ft. Easy Peasy. Some of us go higher and need to learn to deal with reduced gravity. Step 1 Obtain and subjugate beast of burden.  Attached FileStep 2 Ride said subjugated beasts to the top of the world.  Attached FileStep 3 Locate Mule Deer bucks  Attached File Attached FileStep 3 Hold low due to reduced gravity and Profit  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:20:49 PM EDT
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Most are stymied by the intricacies of shooting above 10,000ft. This shot was particularly technical. Step 1 Look for Muley buck. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/IMG_0026_jpg-747617.JPG Step 2 Find Muley buck https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/P1000110_jpg-747618.JPG Step 3 Setup shot and wait for muely buck to stand up @680 yds. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/IMG_0032_jpg-747619.JPG Step 4 Hold low and Profit. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/IMG_0039_jpg-747627.JPG |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:21:49 PM EDT
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LOl. Litz simply stays below 10,000ft. Easy Peasy. Some of us go higher and need to learn to deal with reduced gravity. Step 1 Obtain and subjugate beast of burden. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/IMG_0005_jpg-747650.JPG Step 2 Ride said subjugated beasts to the top of the world. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/P1000149_jpg-747653.JPG Step 3 Locate Mule Deer bucks https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/P1000136_jpg-747667.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/P1000133_jpg-747658.JPG Step 3 Hold low due to reduced gravity and Profit https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/John_Muley_Buck_jpg-747665.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which doesn't show anything about how Litz handles gravity. Litz simply stays below 10,000ft. Easy Peasy. Some of us go higher and need to learn to deal with reduced gravity. Step 1 Obtain and subjugate beast of burden. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/IMG_0005_jpg-747650.JPG Step 2 Ride said subjugated beasts to the top of the world. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/P1000149_jpg-747653.JPG Step 3 Locate Mule Deer bucks https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/P1000136_jpg-747667.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/P1000133_jpg-747658.JPG Step 3 Hold low due to reduced gravity and Profit https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/John_Muley_Buck_jpg-747665.JPG 1) take many breaks so both you an the animal can catch its breath before its heart pops out of its chest...
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:23:18 PM EDT
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Man, this thread
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:24:58 PM EDT
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Agree, but it depends of the situation really. If you're shooting from one peak to another across a sea level ridge the simple method using k would work fine. I do agree with your second point and would more than likely make a sea level chart, then go shoot at altitude and see the difference and find the ratio and adjust accordingly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Altitude and being on a mountain are two different things. The mountain has mass. You would really need to include the mass in the equation to do it right. So you'd need to do the whole square of the distances and gravitational constant calculation Again air density has more impact than any gravity difference. I do agree with your second point and would more than likely make a sea level chart, then go shoot at altitude and see the difference and find the ratio and adjust accordingly. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:25:09 PM EDT
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I'm loving all these wide open hunting pics.
They aren't the freaks you see in cages but those animals are amazing and lived. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:29:17 PM EDT
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declination? OP trolling? |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:41:01 PM EDT
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The bullet NEVER rises above the bore axis EVER. The bore axis can cross the sight axis but that is factor of sight alignment. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:51:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep as the plane gets lower the gravity increases and they will fall. Ever notice how all plane crashes always happen at the ground That there is some funny shit! |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:53:57 PM EDT
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No charts/calculations are necessary if you shake the bullet first and check the powder.
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:54:58 PM EDT
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The difference is almost entirely due to changes in air density, not gravity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/22/2018 7:57:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL. Book learner in the Carolinas. Come out west and get above 10,000ft and you better be aimin at hoof level.
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Posted: 11/22/2018 8:01:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: LOL. Book learner in the Carolinas. Come out west and get above 10,000ft and you better be aimin at hoof level.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/DSC00475_JPG-747711.JPG This is GD and there are technical standards. 
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Posted: 11/22/2018 8:03:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/22/2018 8:03:44 PM EDT
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Serious business about gravity is being discussed in this thread and I will report your attempts at a thread derail. This is GD and there are technical standards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/DSC00475_JPG-747711.JPG This is GD and there are technical standards. What do use brush with to get those pearly whites to glisten in the sun like that? Do you floss and use mouth wash as well? |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 8:04:37 PM EDT
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No charts/calculations are necessary if you shake the bullet first and check the powder. Federal ammunition backed it up.. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 8:07:12 PM EDT
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Proven fact! Federal ammunition backed it up.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No charts/calculations are necessary if you shake the bullet first and check the powder. Federal ammunition backed it up.. @Blaine
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Posted: 11/22/2018 8:10:45 PM EDT
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Keep going. We're enjoying this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happens in real life does not always correlate to what the guy in the wheelchair tells us it is |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 8:13:12 PM EDT
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Most are stymied by the intricacies of shooting above 10,000ft. This shot was particularly technical. Step 1 Look for Muley buck. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/IMG_0026_jpg-747617.JPG Step 2 Find Muley buck https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/P1000110_jpg-747618.JPG Step 3 Setup shot and wait for muely buck to stand up @680 yds. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/IMG_0032_jpg-747619.JPG Step 4 Hold low and Profit. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309674/IMG_0039_jpg-747627.JPG |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 8:13:21 PM EDT
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Almost there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happens in real life does not always correlate to what the guy in the wheelchair tells us it is |
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