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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:41:42 PM EDT
Just curious.
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There's a reason we have them pre-staged in different locations.
It takes a ship or train to move them in decent quantities. |
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Quoted: Two to a C-5 or one per C-17 if I remember right. View Quote Quoted: There's a reason we have them pre-staged in different locations. It takes a ship or train to move them in decent quantities. View Quote We're sending 31. With the above info, I would say it could be done within days. Just my opinion. |
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Assuming they aren't already loaded in a ship and halfway to Ukraine right about now?
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Limitation is readiness and lift capacity, not "capability," per se.
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Getting them there is the quick part.
Better question is how long to get people trained in the use, tactics and maintenance? |
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Tomorrow if you’re talking two. Several days or even weeks if you’re talking a lot and depending on what theatre they’re going to.
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Aren’t there a bunch still propositioned in Germany? Wouldn’t that be quicker to get them to a training area?
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USAF has 52 C-5s and 222 C-17. Now assuming even half those birds are operational that’s 52 abrams via C-5 (2 ea) and 111 via C-17 (1ea) for 163 total.
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The Marines used to use pre-positioning ships fully loaded with everything they needed. Sent the ships to staging areas so they could be there before the untit actually got there.
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Any discussion if these are export models? I would assume they are, but Ukraine is the golden child, so maybe not
If so, how many export models do we have lying around?? |
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Quoted: Any discussion if these are export models? I would assume they are, but Ukraine is the golden child, so maybe not If so, how many export models do we have lying around?? View Quote None as far as it appears, that is likely why the most recent news is new production. Unless Egypt or SA want to donate theirs and piss off Russia forever. |
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I know how fast we can deliver pallets of cash into hostile territory.
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Quoted: Getting them there is the quick part. Better question is how long to get people trained in the use, tactics and maintenance? View Quote Came here to post this. Heard someone today that is familiar with them talking about how much is involved to keep them operating properly, plus a good number of spare parts are needed to keep them running. |
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Quoted: Came here to post this. Heard someone today that is familiar with them talking about how much is involved to keep them operating properly, plus a good number of spare parts are needed to keep them running. View Quote We train 17-18 year olds to operate these. Converting already trained tankers is not hard |
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Quoted: I’d heard the same thing. I’m curious if we have an Air Force Loadmaster around who could chime in View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Two to a C-5 or one per C-17 if I remember right. I’d heard the same thing. I’m curious if we have an Air Force Loadmaster around who could chime in Loads are glorified cargo babysitters. Ask for an aerial porter, we do all the real work. An abrams will take up the maximum ACL of a 17, as they weigh damn near 150,000 pounds. Airlifting a tank quickly isnt hard. Airlifting an entire battalion, along with all the support equipment, personnel, ammo, and parts quickly is. As stated above, we have a fuckton of tanks staged in that region of the world for a reason. Air lifting the mentioned battalion would take probably all the C17s, all of the C5s, and more than a dozen KC-10s from Travis AFB, Dover AFB, and Charleston AFB (probably north of 80 aircraft at that point) combined. |
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Quoted: Sweet, overnight shipping available on an M1 purchase. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Tomorrow if you’re talking two. Several days or even weeks if you’re talking a lot and depending on what theatre they’re going to. Sweet, overnight shipping available on an M1 purchase. Yep, only the US military can ship weapons faster than PSA |
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Quoted: Loads are glorified cargo babysitters. Ask for an aerial porter, we do all the real work. An abrams will take up the maximum ACL of a 17, as they weigh damn near 150,000 pounds. Airlifting a tank quickly isnt hard. Airlifting an entire battalion, along with all the support equipment, personnel, ammo, and parts quickly is not. As stated above, we have a fuckton of tanks staged in that region of the world for a reason. Air lifting the mentioned battalion would take probably all the C17s, all of the C5s, and more than a dozen KC-10s from Travis AFB, Dover AFB, and Charleston AFB (probably north of 80 aircraft at that point) combined. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Two to a C-5 or one per C-17 if I remember right. I’d heard the same thing. I’m curious if we have an Air Force Loadmaster around who could chime in Loads are glorified cargo babysitters. Ask for an aerial porter, we do all the real work. An abrams will take up the maximum ACL of a 17, as they weigh damn near 150,000 pounds. Airlifting a tank quickly isnt hard. Airlifting an entire battalion, along with all the support equipment, personnel, ammo, and parts quickly is not. As stated above, we have a fuckton of tanks staged in that region of the world for a reason. Air lifting the mentioned battalion would take probably all the C17s, all of the C5s, and more than a dozen KC-10s from Travis AFB, Dover AFB, and Charleston AFB (probably north of 80 aircraft at that point) combined. Wouldn’t that make for a sweet training mission. Hey Russia, check this out. Oh yeah, China, you take notes too. |
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Quoted: This and in 18 hours or less with enough AC. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Two to a C-5 or one per C-17 if I remember right. Aircraft isn't the problem with the USAF. It's certified crews to put shit on a non paved environment. 130 crews are generally easy to keep up on various certs. C17s are stuck running tarmac to tarmac with various runs for the current debacle of the month. |
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dont these things require some sort of transport truck? i mean do you just roll them out of the aircraft, get on the local interstate and boogy into ukraine?
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Quoted: dont these things require some sort of transport truck? i mean do you just roll them out of the aircraft, get on the local interstate and boogy into ukraine? View Quote They don't necessarily require a truck. You'll save a fuckload of fuel and some wear/tear on the fragile mechvagina parts if you do trailer it. |
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As much as this Country is sucking the Ukraine cock, they will probably fly every one of them over there.
Air lifting the mentioned battalion would take probably all the C17s, all of the C5s, and more than a dozen KC-10s from Travis AFB, Dover AFB, and Charleston AFB (probably north of 80 aircraft at that point) combined. View Quote All worth it to support The Ukraine, we should give them the cargo planes too. |
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So I guess that we will officially have troops on the ground, exposed to Putin's nukes or bio weapons.....
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I'm just relieved there are so many gas turbine experts over there, chilling with the jet fuel laying around. And abrams tanker school is a long weekend, right? 13 units should turn the tide.
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Depends on the version. Some versions we are not goingto deploy to some geographies - if you know what I'm saying
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This seems pretty impressive. And fastest.
https://breakingdefense.com/2017/03/army-soldiers-slash-time-to-move-from-port-to-front-deterring-russia/?amp=1 Granted it’s a whole Armor Brigade. |
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The tanks are already in Europe. Airlifting tanks is a waste of resources.
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Quoted: USAF has 52 C-5s and 222 C-17. Now assuming even half those birds are operational that’s 52 abrams via C-5 (2 ea) and 111 via C-17 (1ea) for 163 total. View Quote My kid was with C-5s a while back. Most of them are broke as fuck all the time. I doubt the AF could rustle up 25 C-5s and run them hard for very long. |
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Quoted: My kid was with C-5s a while back. Most of them are broke as fuck all the time. I doubt the AF could rustle up 25 C-5s and run them hard for very long. View Quote |
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