At mid-range distances, a .308 in a Service Rifle will hold the X-ring.  1000 yards CAN be an issue - if you have to load it for a gas gun - but the .308 Win is hardly a poor target cartridge.  

Again, YMMV.  Beyond that, I don't really give a damn.


Y'all have a nice day now....

Fewer shots than it takes me to score a hit on a running jack rabbit which I've done multiple times at distances from 100-300 yards through a 6.5-20x scope.


It's all relative.   I am accustomed to 200-300 yard shots on California ground squirrels where they generally don't stick around for a 2nd shot.   Have plugged tons of those on the first shot despite wind.   I have hit sitting jack rabbits at distances out to 400 yards on the first shot and near 600 on the 2nd or 3rd shot.

There's minute of angle, and then there is minute of whatever you are used to shooting.    Things bigger than a jack rabbit are relatively easy for me for my two primary long range guns.

A nice day because of what? The part where you insinuate that Rictus does not have experience, or the part where you quote him out of context and go on to answer him not realizing that he and I were joking about the constant of gravity, and how everything will "drop like a stone" because gravity has an equal effect?





Actually, both will give me something to chuckle at for the rest of the evening.
 

Here I thought you were just picking nits.  I don't know who "Rictus" is, so I have no basis to evaluate his experience and my comment was more general.

The "dropping like a stone" comment I originally replied to was not exactly in the same tone.  The various ~6mm loads out there are marginally better rounds for target shooting than .308 (often enough to make switching worth it), but not the orders-of-magnitude improvement that comment implied.  600 just plain isn't that far.  That said, I use 80s for 600 (AR), as any advantage is worth it.

depends how much he is dodging and weaving....

Which is why I hoped you had tiny feet, because his experience is vast.





 

Easy first round hit with the LTR and Leupold M3.  With my AR middy, probably get a hit on the first round on a calm day, second in steady mild wind.  Gusty, who knows.  5.56 kinda sucks in the wind.

That's discernible on the internet how?  

Never mind.

Try 77s.

By reading more and posting less.

Perhaps everyone should take that advice.

Mine is 1:9, so I never tried them.  

Shooting prairie dogs is my passion.  I have 8 rifles dedicated to that pursuit, from 17 caliber up to 280.  My longest 1 shot hit was 597.  I've made contact at 816 with 2 shots.  I chronograph my loads, however, and have some great ballistic programs that allow me to factor in exact barometric pressure and give me the number of clicks I need for the lasered distance.  That being said - my front rest is a cutom job that weighs well over 15 pounds, and my favorite rifle( a .260) weighs 14.4 pounds with the scope.  Off-hand?  If I hit at 250 I'd feel fortunate.

No, just guys like you who crawl in here and trash the real SMEs we have onboard.

Too bad Sinister doesn't post much anymore.

Trash?  Seriously?  

Never mind.  

Try 75s.

I can poke epraslick and see if he wants to have fun :-)  

 

He knows less than anyone about this mid range shooting.

But seriously, he was the other name I thought of.

It's tough, but doable.  If you'd like my story, send me a PM.

 

What's going on here?  So far it seems that jcs1 has pretty much stated things how they are.  I don't know any of these dudes but really this seems more of a technical discussion and not just a dick swinging contest...

Anyway, with a .308 and my good 175gr SMK load, 500yds is easy on an IPSC.  I've only done it only a few times since my target size tends to be way smaller. (Or distance longer)

I've had 90% hits on an 18"x22" piece of steel with plain old xm193 at 600yds in fairly windy conditions from an elevated position shooting over 3 hills(can never remember the technical term).  Before that I went 10 for 10 first shots of the day with my 6.5x47L load.  Insanely easy.  Just needed a good wind call, atmospherics and range.  I then switched to 1k yds on the same size target and was getting around 70% hits.

Even with my AR-10T and crap south african ammo I was getting around 80% hits on that 600yd target.  Mainly one needs to have a correct velocity(retrieved via chronograph) and a good ballistic model with the correct atmospheric data and range.  I think what really kills people is that they don't have the gear to get all the data.  Ipod touch, kestral, chronograph, Swaro Laser guide and a good understanding of ballistics to choose the correct ballistic model and bullet for your load is important. (Especially if what you're shooting is some random milsurp ammo.)  Also once you get a good feel for what different loads should do, it's easy to see where the data gets wonky and make corrections/recheck your input variables.  Finally once you've shot a load enough, one tends to get an even better feeling for how much it really will vary and you can just draw up a universal dope chart for just about all conditions.  (Then just either use judgement based off conditions or shoot a spotter shot in order to correct from.)

I will say that a huge factor (beyond a really kick ass wind call) in being able to shoot really far and be effective is being able to spot your hits.  If you're self spotting and you're shooting in brush and wet conditions like here in the wet side of the northwest, you're pretty screwed.  Now if you have a spotter who is worth his salt, he can get you on target.  Sometimes that's my favorite, though most my buddies won't admit the team effort.  I've been able to get a buddy with very little experience on target and making good hits at 930yds on an IPSC by watching trace and for small indicators like breaking branches, etc.  More recently I got a friend to hit an even smaller 20"x20" target at 930yds with his 30-06 match iron sighted bolt action in 4 shots.  Not only that, but he was slung up.  It was fucking awesome!

There are a huge amount of factors that go into being able engage targets at distance.

Still with the 6mm and 6.5mm cartridges out now being able to engage a man size target at 500yds requires so little wind correction that I'd consider it pretty easy.

I think that all the gizmos really helped me get a good understanding and confidence at 600yds.  Now they're not something I rely on as much at the shorter distances. They take a lot of the magic and guesswork out of the whole long range thing. (Some food for thought.)

It is, what is the rate of drop on a stone?





 

32 fps^2

Ballistic Coefficient and Air density make such a comparison silly.  But I think the term is more being used as a colloquialism.  Anyway, point missed...

Yea, which as why it's so funny that my joke towards Rictus got WAY THE FUCK blown out of proportion by the other dude.



 

I was originally replying to VTHOKIESHOOTER.  He implied that the .308 just plain wouldn't make it past 3 or 400 yards.

Mr. Praslick is a great coach and possibly the best wind reader I've ever had the privilege to meet.  

Uh, I picked nits right back at you and then THAT got blown out of proportion.

You REALLY need to find a sense of humor.

Very true, the .308 is a great ctg. that is very accurate but starts running out of steam quickly however it is required to be used by the Palma rules.  My experience shooting Palma in windy conditions is that shooting a clean at 800 yds isn't too difficult for a good shot that can read the wind well.  At 900 yds the wind is starting to affect the bullet a lot more and when the range gets to 1000 yds one can easily miss the whole damn target and even hit the target next one over.  I've seen some very good shots that are well know shaking their heads in disbelief after missing a wind call at the Rocky Mountain Palma Matches at Raton, NM  
Check out what the F-class guys are shooting at 1000 yds to get an idea of what is accurate and bucks the wind well.

This place never ceases to amaze me.

Possibly, Dan.  It's been a long week.

Yup!  

There's definitely a shortage of pitchers in this thread.

Shot this yesterday...



Granted, this is only 100yds... but was the first time shooting this rifle.

Three shots easily covered with a dime.

The pic is misleading. The three shots are visible. The dime is only there for size reference.

I did shoot some 5 and 7 shot groups that were almost as nice, but I didn't make the trip to the range for an accuracy test...  I wanted to test some subsonics I worked up on the reloading bench. Only problem was... I forgot to bring 'em along.
Instead... I just blasted thru some FGMM so I'd have more brass to work with.

I got to shoot my Mod 0 at 500 yards a couple of weeks ago and did a lot better then expected. This was my first time shooting at 500 with any rifle. I was able to keep 20 of 20 rounds in a 2.5 foot by 2.5 foot square. The wind was not bad maybe 6 or 7 MPH from almost dead right so figuring that out was not to hard. Aiming for dead center the first round hit just inside the left edge of the target. A few clicks and was good to go.  I would like to shoot 500 yards again because I could use the practice. It is a three hour ride to the range for me. I was using Black Hills "Mk 262". I also might change to a higher power scope. 10x is not enough for my bad eyes anymore.


I would guess I would have a very hard time hitting a man size target at 500 yards with irons from either of my 20" AR 15 rifles. I can hit pretty good at 300 with them though.

Not that difficuIt. I used to make consistent hits on prairie dogs out to 500+ yds. with a .220 Swift. Rear scope mount was shimmed. Listed in Varmint Hunter Mag.'s 500 Yard Club.

Might be very diffiuclt if having to hit such a small target on the first shot, however, wihout the advantage of "dialing-them-in" with successive shots.
Use mirage as wind indicator.

Yup. I recall a post on here stating my drop at 1,000 was on the order of 30 feet from my 300 yard zero. He was utterly surprised.

Based on what? His own word?

I don't know the guy so I can't claim to judge his background but I'm sure not taking some guy's word on the internet for truth.


Oh for fucks sake. Is "SME" the new "tier" or "operator" bullshit code word?

 

Fixed.

Actually, it's been around for decades. But, only a Subject Matter Expert would know that...

 

 

This.

I once asked the owner of a DOD training facility what an SME was

That's it. I'm trademarking TITS for "Trained In The Shit." It'll be the new big thing. Might even trademark COCK for "Captain Of Confirmed Kills."

Its the internet. Leave the butthurt for date nights.