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Posted: 12/2/2015 10:27:05 PM EST
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I don't normally throw my guns at steel targets, wood piles, or intentionally push wet sand/gravel mix in them. So I guess I will stay with my VP9. This I little water caused a FTF...talk about putting you head in the sand. Face it, the VP9 failed big time 
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Posted: 12/2/2015 10:34:46 PM EST
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The VP9 is the finest combat pistol I have ever shot. I have been shooting glocks for over 15 years and own/owned them all. Stock to fully worked over custom guns, I would take the VP9 over any of them. For whatever reason, its an absolute laser and stacks rounds with ease. I really could care less what some mouthbreather small sample size backyard test says. HK guns just plain work. If I could own 1 handgun to take to hell and back, it would be a VP9. Yet to have one malf between 3 guns with about 7k rounds combined. Yes that is a small sample, but more than enough confidence for these 3 guns. Bonus is an amazing trigger and easily conceals IWB. Glock 19 & 26's just get left at home now. Probably should start selling them and buy some more VP9's. I think a half dozen would do. I will give you $300 for the G19 right now! You must be a motivated seller, and Im just a neanderthal Glock lover. |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 10:41:46 PM EST
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I didn't watch the whole video but I wouldn't swap an H&K for a Glock ever...... Well if you had watched you'd see that one gun would keep working and the other would get you killed. Guess which one gets you killed HK fan? |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 10:43:03 PM EST
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The Walther P99 also has restrike ability, something the Glock and the HK do not have. How many times do you strike the same round before you rack a new one in? |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 10:45:24 PM EST
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Does it at least come with a nice hard case? You know to keep the water off of it.
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The VP9 is the finest combat pistol I have ever shot. I have been shooting glocks for over 15 years and own/owned them all. Stock to fully worked over custom guns, I would take the VP9 over any of them. For whatever reason, its an absolute laser and stacks rounds with ease. I really could care less what some mouthbreather small sample size backyard test says. HK guns just plain work. If I could own 1 handgun to take to hell and back, it would be a VP9. Yet to have one malf between 3 guns with about 7k rounds combined. Yes that is a small sample, but more than enough confidence for these 3 guns. Bonus is an amazing trigger and easily conceals IWB. Glock 19 & 26's just get left at home now. Probably should start selling them and buy some more VP9's. I think a half dozen would do. Does it at least come with a nice hard case? You know to keep the water off of it.
Perhaps a cute little umbrella or tiny swimsuit?
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Posted: 12/2/2015 10:46:01 PM EST
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Sweet Odin's Raven, there are other fucking guns besides Glock and VP9.
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Posted: 12/2/2015 10:47:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know owning glocks since before 2000, There was like a year or 2 the brass to the face issue was present. It was fixed and there is a small cheap part that fixes it. Glocks also have a good, reliable trigger. They get better with age. Every single glock you pick up has an easy to learn, easy to use repeatable trigger. From a G34 down to a little G26, the trigger is consistent. Anyone who can't shoot well with a glock or doesn't like it has a problem between their ears. It has been the gold standard for almost 30 years for a reason. People just like to bitch a moan about irrelevant shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I dumped the VP9 and went back to my Walther P99. The Walther has a shorter re-set, and a much crisper and lighter trigger. Both guns are accurate, but the Walther is easier to conceal and I can shoot it faster. The VP9 is an excellent gun, but the Walther is a better pistol. The Glock is ok, but I don't care for the brass ejecting all over the place including into my face, plus the grip feels like shit and the trigger is mushy and heavy and if you lighten it, it will have a mile of creep Fuck dat.. You know owning glocks since before 2000, There was like a year or 2 the brass to the face issue was present. It was fixed and there is a small cheap part that fixes it. Glocks also have a good, reliable trigger. They get better with age. Every single glock you pick up has an easy to learn, easy to use repeatable trigger. From a G34 down to a little G26, the trigger is consistent. Anyone who can't shoot well with a glock or doesn't like it has a problem between their ears. It has been the gold standard for almost 30 years for a reason. People just like to bitch a moan about irrelevant shit. I bought my first Glock in 1985, gen 1 serial #AA223. I've owned pretty much every variation of Glock 9mm including recent ones with dipped/non-dipped extracters, apex extractors, different ejectors. Same for the different triggers. I've carried Glocks for many years and have shot thousands of rounds through them. I also have owned a VP9. The Walther trigger is superior to both out of the box without having to buy aftermarket parts. My P99 has never malfunctioned and I shoot it all the time. The Walther ejects cases, steel brass and aluminum exactly to the right. I can limp-wrist it and it functions with perfection. Most importantly, I can put it in my wife's purse de-cocked and not worry about a key ring or something snagging the trigger. Likewise I can put the decocked Walther down the front of my pants and not worry about something engaging the trigger. I can shoot ragged holes with it like a 1911. I can drop plates with it much quicker than with the G19 and I can carry it like a revolver without worrying about a ND from a windbreaker string entering the trigger guard. The trigger reset is PPQ short. Is the P99 perfect? For me it is. I have yet to shoot another striker pistol as accurate or as fast with a better trigger and the ability to re-strike a dud primer. The front sight hex key that comes with the P99 can be used on the transfer bar screw to lighten the single action pull. Mine is just under 3 pounds with a crisp glass-like break. The P99 is designed around the 40sw and is over-engineered when running the 9x19mm. I can shoot a Glock very well, but I am faster and more accurate with the Walther. I could also shoot the VP9 better than the Glock, but the grip is too long and my VP9 had light strikes with Monarch ammo. If I had a light strike with the Walther (which I never experienced), I can simply re-pull the trigger. I also have the option to carry the P99 with a cocked striker, which essentially makes the gun a PPQ. Glocks are ok. I've owned a lot of them and have no problems with other people choosing them, but I'd prefer the P99. |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 10:49:49 PM EST
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Sweet Odin's Raven, there are other fucking guns besides Glock and VP9. SIG time |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 10:50:52 PM EST
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USP > everything else
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Posted: 12/2/2015 10:55:04 PM EST
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Flocks suck LOL 
I guess that makes the VP9 a step down from suck...
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Posted: 12/2/2015 11:01:56 PM EST
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I have no interest in owning a piece of shit that stops working when it gets wet.
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Posted: 12/2/2015 11:12:07 PM EST
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Ditching glock for the Sig P320 actually. I did that... And I'm back to my 19. The 320 is a GREAT shooting gun. It really is. I've been trying to find something better than my Glocks. But they just work for me. I've had numerous dead triggers while dry firing my 320(never happened while live fire) and I read about some others having the same issue. I'll dry fire it, keep the trigger pulled to the rear, rack the slide, reset and nothing. Another thing... It seems over engineered for what it is. Don't ever take the firing pin assembly out... there's springs in there smaller than my dick and if you lose one your fucked. I'm considering selling mine for a Glock 17. But like I said... It's a great shooter and I'm not sure I want to sell it... But I bought it to replace my Glocks and it hasn't. Ymmv obviously. |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 11:14:40 PM EST
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I was wanting one as a supressor host, I might have to rethink that.
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Posted: 12/2/2015 11:18:01 PM EST
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I like how the VP9 feels and handles. It is one of the most ergonomic pistols on the market.
I was surprised it crapped the bed over and over again in this test. I'm not a big Glock guy, but I've spent years with them dating back to the early 1990's now, and they do have a reliability record that is world-renowned. I've taken Glocks through high volume pistol courses in the arctic, in the dead of winter, and the guns ate snow, ice, and bullets all day, day after day. I also watched other pistols fail in those conditions. We're talking -25 to -30 Celcius conditions, no ground visible through snow and ice, 800 rounds. I watched a CZ75 snap the slide stop shaft in half in those conditions. I personally carry and use M&P's a lot. I've taken the M&P through mud storms where the gun was literally caked in mud during torrential downpours, and no malfs at all to date. Got my first M&P in 2006 IIRC. Internals are like a Glock, only beefier. |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 11:24:48 PM EST
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But did it brass to face?
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Posted: 12/2/2015 11:28:47 PM EST
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If everybody was switching over I'd have already picked it up on Armslist.
Genuinely looking for a used VP9 but none to be found, at least in my state. |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 11:32:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know owning glocks since before 2000, There was like a year or 2 the brass to the face issue was present. It was fixed and there is a small cheap part that fixes it. Glocks also have a good, reliable trigger. They get better with age. Every single glock you pick up has an easy to learn, easy to use repeatable trigger. From a G34 down to a little G26, the trigger is consistent. Anyone who can't shoot well with a glock or doesn't like it has a problem between their ears. It has been the gold standard for almost 30 years for a reason. People just like to bitch a moan about irrelevant shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I dumped the VP9 and went back to my Walther P99. The Walther has a shorter re-set, and a much crisper and lighter trigger. Both guns are accurate, but the Walther is easier to conceal and I can shoot it faster. The VP9 is an excellent gun, but the Walther is a better pistol. The Glock is ok, but I don't care for the brass ejecting all over the place including into my face, plus the grip feels like shit and the trigger is mushy and heavy and if you lighten it, it will have a mile of creep Fuck dat.. You know owning glocks since before 2000, There was like a year or 2 the brass to the face issue was present. It was fixed and there is a small cheap part that fixes it. Glocks also have a good, reliable trigger. They get better with age. Every single glock you pick up has an easy to learn, easy to use repeatable trigger. From a G34 down to a little G26, the trigger is consistent. Anyone who can't shoot well with a glock or doesn't like it has a problem between their ears. It has been the gold standard for almost 30 years for a reason. People just like to bitch a moan about irrelevant shit. |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 11:38:22 PM EST
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Has the VP9 done this test yet?
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Posted: 12/2/2015 11:43:58 PM EST
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Has the VP9 done this test yet? http://www.illinoiscarry.com/forum/uploads/monthly_06_2011/post-901-130780503196.jpg
The VP9 would have to actually fire a round for that to happen. As you can see in the video, the HK solution is known as "click".
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Posted: 12/2/2015 11:56:27 PM EST
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The VP9 would have to actually fire a round for that to happen. As you can see in the video, the HK solution is known as "click". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Has the VP9 done this test yet? http://www.illinoiscarry.com/forum/uploads/monthly_06_2011/post-901-130780503196.jpg
The VP9 would have to actually fire a round for that to happen. As you can see in the video, the HK solution is known as "click". 
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Posted: 12/3/2015 12:04:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The VP9 would have to actually fire a round for that to happen. As you can see in the video, the HK solution is known as "click". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Has the VP9 done this test yet? http://www.illinoiscarry.com/forum/uploads/monthly_06_2011/post-901-130780503196.jpg The VP9 would have to actually fire a round for that to happen. As you can see in the video, the HK solution is known as "click". Zingggggg... I was actually waiting for HK to bring out the compact version of the vp9, not so sure I want one after that showing. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 12:08:18 AM EST
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Has the VP9 done this test yet? http://www.illinoiscarry.com/forum/uploads/monthly_06_2011/post-901-130780503196.jpg
what's the story with this? nothing is standard on that gun.. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 12:08:35 AM EST
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Has the VP9 done this test yet? http://www.illinoiscarry.com/forum/uploads/monthly_06_2011/post-901-130780503196.jpg
what's the story with this? nothing is standard on that gun.. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 12:12:13 AM EST
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I carry a VP9 daily, but I'm not a die hard fan of it. I do really like it, but I dont love it. I agree, with regards to the paddle mag release, I'd much rather see a concealed button mag release. I really fucking hate the "cocked" striker indicator on the back. I feel it is useless, and provides an access point for debris. I prefer it be enclosed like my M&P9, or have trucker girl mud flap chick on it like you can get for a Glock.
As for the ammo, I like ZQ1 in 7.62x51 and 5.56x45, but I have read far too many negative things about the 9mm stuff; failures to detonate, blown primers, inconsistent velocities. I am curious as to why the ammo wasnt looked at, but I'm not going to blame the ammo either. As for my gun, I havent done anything to it aftermarket wise. I carry it everyday in a sorry-assed Blade Tech IWB holster. I cleaned it for the first time in around 2,000 rounds. Lots of lint, unspent powder residue, and general crud. A dry wipe and re-oil. I still think its a fine pistol, and will carry it until my new RCS holster for my M&P9F shows up. That said, if RCS's sale on Monday included a LH VP9 product, I would continue to carry it. Being LH still sucks sometimes. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 12:14:04 AM EST
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what's the story with this? nothing is standard on that gun.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Has the VP9 done this test yet? http://www.illinoiscarry.com/forum/uploads/monthly_06_2011/post-901-130780503196.jpg
what's the story with this? nothing is standard on that gun.. I have no clue, just searched glock 19 kaboom. plenty of them on the image search. Probably an ammo thing.
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Posted: 12/3/2015 12:14:52 AM EST
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I have no clue, just searched glock 19 kaboom. plenty of them on the image search. Probably an ammo thing.
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Has the VP9 done this test yet? http://www.illinoiscarry.com/forum/uploads/monthly_06_2011/post-901-130780503196.jpg
what's the story with this? nothing is standard on that gun.. I have no clue, just searched glock 19 kaboom. plenty of them on the image search. Probably an ammo thing.
lol... |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 12:36:41 AM EST
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I am a die hard glock guy, and while I am less than impressed by that video, but it would not stop me from carrying a VP9 if I already owned one. I would not be taking it with me on a hike, but I would carry it.
BTW, on a Glock there is a small hole on the other side of the striker channel from the plunger, I am guessing, it is what helps the glock be able to fire with water or other stuff that gets in the striker channel. I am guessing that a similar hole will be in the VP9's future and this issue will go away. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 12:43:12 AM EST
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9mm Glocks and 7,62/5.45 AK's SUCK!.... PLEASE quit buying them....Please....pretty please...
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Posted: 12/3/2015 12:44:02 AM EST
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I like the look/feel of the VP9, but the failure of these tests makes it a no go.
I realize that most of us don't plan to be in a situation that would get mud/dirt into your firearm. It needs to be able to take that abuse though, without question. If it can't take it, then for me, it is of no use other than a range gun/toy. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 1:19:43 AM EST
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I'm happy with my VP9 but I still have my Glocks and M&P
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Posted: 12/3/2015 1:47:45 AM EST
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I have no clue, just searched glock 19 kaboom. plenty of them on the image search. Probably an ammo thing.
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Has the VP9 done this test yet? http://www.illinoiscarry.com/forum/uploads/monthly_06_2011/post-901-130780503196.jpg
what's the story with this? nothing is standard on that gun.. I have no clue, just searched glock 19 kaboom. plenty of them on the image search. Probably an ammo thing.
With a KKM barrel, I would think it had to be an ammo problem. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 2:15:46 AM EST
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Posted: 12/3/2015 2:35:16 AM EST
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The Walther PPQ is the gun the VP9 wants to be.
And they make them with an American mag release. Better trigger. Glock style striker system (more reliable). Walther PPQ M2... All the German... None of the suck. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 2:44:14 AM EST
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It's stupid to get into a pissing contest. Just formulate a practical strategy on what you want and go with it. I decided on the Glock due to the parts available and reliability of their 9mm pistols. If it's something else then power to you. Keep it simple since you only live once.
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Posted: 12/3/2015 2:52:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And they make them with an American mag release.  I highly prefer a paddle release. Ambi and (for me) much faster. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 2:57:33 AM EST
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That video sort of makes the case for hammer fired guns.
Also, the push button magazine catch is ambi. Why do people think it isn't? |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 3:00:14 AM EST
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I highly prefer a paddle release. Ambi and (for me) much faster. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And they make them with an American mag release.
I highly prefer a paddle release. Ambi and (for me) much faster. So buy a regular PPQ. They make both. Because Walther doesn't think you suck, and they like you. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 3:02:04 AM EST
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I like how people see completely unscientific tests of firearms and are somehow able to derive comparative reliability versus other firearms.
'We submerged this Ford into quick sand and afterwards it didn't run reliably; therefore the untested Doge Ram is clearly the more reliable truck.' ^That is how GD thinks. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 3:02:14 AM EST
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That video sort of makes the case for hammer fired guns. Also, the push button magazine catch is ambi. Why do people think it isn't? Try to explain how a left handed shooter can use a normal AR bolt catch to people... That's real fun. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 3:04:44 AM EST
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I like how people see completely unscientific tests of firearms and are somehow able to derive comparative reliability versus other firearms. 'We submerged this Ford into quick sand and afterwards it didn't run reliably; therefore the untested Doge Ram is clearly the more reliable truck.' ^That is how GD thinks. A truck getting submerged in quicksand is an absurd test. Hard use guns get dunked in mud fairly often. Perfectly valid test. That why militaries test for that quite often. Not sure how your post made any sense in your head. I guess for safe queens it doesn't matter? |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 3:08:53 AM EST
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The VP9 does nothing for me. I'm glad to say I missed that bandwagon.
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Posted: 12/3/2015 3:10:49 AM EST
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Try to explain how a left handed shooter can use a normal AR bolt catch to people... That's real fun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That video sort of makes the case for hammer fired guns. Also, the push button magazine catch is ambi. Why do people think it isn't? Try to explain how a left handed shooter can use a normal AR bolt catch to people... That's real fun. I've shown it to people in person, and they were like "but you have to have giant hands to do that". 
I have little bitch hands, and I can do it just fine. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 3:15:47 AM EST
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I like how people see completely unscientific tests of firearms and are somehow able to derive comparative reliability versus other firearms. 'We submerged this Ford into quick sand and afterwards it didn't run reliably; therefore the untested Doge Ram is clearly the more reliable truck.' ^That is how GD thinks. Obviously the HK white lab coat science tests didn't work for the VP9. 
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Posted: 12/3/2015 3:23:21 AM EST
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Meh. Own both, like the VP9 better.
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Posted: 12/3/2015 3:38:22 AM EST
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The VP9 is the finest combat pistol I have ever shot. I have been shooting glocks for over 15 years and own/owned them all. Stock to fully worked over custom guns, I would take the VP9 over any of them. For whatever reason, its an absolute laser and stacks rounds with ease. I really could care less what some mouthbreather small sample size backyard test says. HK guns just plain work. If I could own 1 handgun to take to hell and back, it would be a VP9. Yet to have one malf between 3 guns with about 7k rounds combined. Yes that is a small sample, but more than enough confidence for these 3 guns. Bonus is an amazing trigger and easily conceals IWB. Glock 19 & 26's just get left at home now. Probably should start selling them and buy some more VP9's. I think a half dozen would do. After that? No way is it a "to hell and back" gun. I'd happily carry it, but MAC has always been a pretty solid channel. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 3:40:13 AM EST
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Meh. Own both, like the VP9 better. Just don't get it wet or carry in the rain I guess. 
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Posted: 12/3/2015 3:41:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So buy a regular PPQ. They make both. Because Walther doesn't think you suck, and they like you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: And they make them with an American mag release. I highly prefer a paddle release. Ambi and (for me) much faster. So buy a regular PPQ. They make both. Because Walther doesn't think you suck, and they like you. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 3:42:23 AM EST
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After that? No way is it a "to hell and back" gun. I'd happily carry it, but MAC has always been a pretty solid channel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The VP9 is the finest combat pistol I have ever shot. I have been shooting glocks for over 15 years and own/owned them all. Stock to fully worked over custom guns, I would take the VP9 over any of them. For whatever reason, its an absolute laser and stacks rounds with ease. I really could care less what some mouthbreather small sample size backyard test says. HK guns just plain work. If I could own 1 handgun to take to hell and back, it would be a VP9. Yet to have one malf between 3 guns with about 7k rounds combined. Yes that is a small sample, but more than enough confidence for these 3 guns. Bonus is an amazing trigger and easily conceals IWB. Glock 19 & 26's just get left at home now. Probably should start selling them and buy some more VP9's. I think a half dozen would do. After that? No way is it a "to hell and back" gun. I'd happily carry it, but MAC has always been a pretty solid channel. Agree. Sig and Glock are the only "To hell and back" guns I would trust. I also have a P30 sitting next to me but it stays indoors
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Posted: 12/3/2015 3:47:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agree. Sig and Glock are the only "To hell and back" guns I would trust. I also have a P30 sitting next to me but it stays indoors Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The VP9 is the finest combat pistol I have ever shot. I have been shooting glocks for over 15 years and own/owned them all. Stock to fully worked over custom guns, I would take the VP9 over any of them. For whatever reason, its an absolute laser and stacks rounds with ease. I really could care less what some mouthbreather small sample size backyard test says. HK guns just plain work. If I could own 1 handgun to take to hell and back, it would be a VP9. Yet to have one malf between 3 guns with about 7k rounds combined. Yes that is a small sample, but more than enough confidence for these 3 guns. Bonus is an amazing trigger and easily conceals IWB. Glock 19 & 26's just get left at home now. Probably should start selling them and buy some more VP9's. I think a half dozen would do. After that? No way is it a "to hell and back" gun. I'd happily carry it, but MAC has always been a pretty solid channel. Agree. Sig and Glock are the only "To hell and back" guns I would trust. I also have a P30 sitting next to me but it stays indoors |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 4:07:42 AM EST
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The Walther PPQ is the gun the VP9 wants to be. And they make them with an American mag release. Better trigger. Glock style striker system (more reliable). Walther PPQ M2... All the German... None of the suck. Agreed. <<<<<<<< *Glock 17/19 owner operator* |
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