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Posted: 3/24/2022 11:23:52 PM EDT
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Probably not many.
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Posted: 3/25/2022 1:30:51 AM EDT
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https://www.police1.com/police-products/firearms/articles/is-it-time-for-your-agency-to-move-to-red-dot-sights-5Q0GzlaF1RRn6UYo/
Is it time for your agency to move to red dot sights? How San Mateo County is rolling out the latest tools and training for success Oct 28, 2021 Red dot sights, RDS, or “optics” are some of the hottest products in town. First used in competition, they are starting to show up on many cops’ sidearms. But slapping on an RDS before rolling is not a great idea. As I covered in this article, even mounting an RDS takes a lot of planning and the right tools. And after getting it mounted, Scott Reidy, director of training at SIG Sauer Academy, recommends a minimum of two days of training before anyone can carry a firearm with an RDS. Some agencies let officers purchase and mount any personal RDS, some have a list of approved RDS and some, like the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department and San Mateo County Sheriff’s Office issue a fully integrated sidearm system with mandatory training. Courtesy of San Mateo County Sheriff Carlos G. Bolanos and San Mateo County Sheriff’s Office Rangemaster Sergeant David Weidner, I was able to participate in the agency's RDS training program using my Glock 19 with Aimpoint ACRO P1. *snip* |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 1:37:59 AM EDT
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You must live somewhere around the DFW area. Your department has to be huge and cracking down on widespread drug crime to have that anount of seized money.
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Posted: 3/25/2022 1:39:38 AM EDT
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its becoming more common. Longmont PD in Colorado is planning to do this (Glock 17's with unk optic) later this year.
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Posted: 3/25/2022 1:45:44 AM EDT
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ICE is the first Federal Agency to begin issuing red dots to all Agents and Officers that want to carry one. They have also begun the process of teaching Agents in the Academy to use red dots. The first class graduated with near perfect qualification scores across the board.
They issue the Sig P320 carry with a ROMEO 1PRO. Agents can opt to buy their own Glock with a Trijicon RMR |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 1:47:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: its becoming more common. Longmont PD in Colorado is planning to do this (Glock 17's with unk optic) later this year. IIRC, Colorado University PD has already done so, running M&P9s with Holosuns. It's slowly gaining steam. A decade from now I expect it's going to be standard for most LE. Already I've heard of academy classes where the students are predominantly getting trained on MRDS, with only ancillary focus on irons. |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 1:49:02 AM EDT
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Our fire marshal office standard issue is a gen 5 glock 19 with RMR. Our sheriffs office isn’t even running that high speed.
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Posted: 3/25/2022 1:51:52 AM EDT
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Couple of northern Wisconsin suburbs/counties are, I believe all issued RDS pistols. I know there’s one tribal PD a few counties away that went to all RDS because it was the only way they could get all of their officers to qualify. Prior to that a significant percentage of their force couldn’t qualify on just iron sights.
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Posted: 3/25/2022 2:12:24 AM EDT
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My agency does. But we are a fairly small county with only 44 sworn. Still took us 2 years to spread the cost over 2 budgets to get it done.
More and more counties and cities in Northeast WI are issuing them. |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 2:13:26 AM EDT
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 It’s an excellent upgrade and costs less than a wrongful death lawsuit for a stray round. It’ll be more and more common year after year. |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 2:17:12 AM EDT
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Houston PD is issuing 17s with RMRs to all new academy classes, and has for a couple of years now. I am pretty sure that current Officers can apply for the "upgrade class" and qual to be able to be issued the red dot handgun as well.
There are a couple of OIS videos of them using RMR equipped pistols. Plus... Houston ain't small. |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 2:31:21 AM EDT
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My former department was rapidly approaching having them on everything. My new one? We are issued .40 S&W and firmly living in a land that time forgot. But its got really good pay and benefits.
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Posted: 3/25/2022 2:56:14 AM EDT
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We're a rural county and if the agency doesn't issue them, they allow you to purchase your own and carry it. Including mine.
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Posted: 3/25/2022 3:02:10 AM EDT
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Currently issuing G45 MOS. RDS and wml are approved, but that’s on the officer to buy.
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Posted: 3/25/2022 3:15:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My former department was rapidly approaching having them on everything. My new one? We are issued .40 S&W and firmly living in a land that time forgot. But its got really good pay and benefits. Worth more than an RDS on a pistol. |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 3:18:43 AM EDT
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Arvada CO, Purchase your own pistol.
 
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Posted: 3/25/2022 3:25:13 AM EDT
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A lot here in the Phoenix area.
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Posted: 3/25/2022 3:29:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You must live somewhere around the DFW area. Your department has to be huge and cracking down on widespread drug crime to have that anount of seized money. Somewhere in my long drawn-out post, I said we were a Dallas suburb  Wacky Mesquite Texas  I believe it was three different funds, one of them being something from the feds that the chief said they'd only been able to spend once in the past because of the strict restrictions the feds put on the money. Sounds like a trick for the feds to keep it for themselves LOL |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 3:33:15 PM EDT
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Most don't due the emitters aren't covered. They would be no good getting wet in the rain or snow.
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Posted: 3/25/2022 3:33:54 PM EDT
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Our city's cops all just got brand new Shadow System DR pistols with Holosun 507's and other variants. This was department wide.
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Posted: 3/25/2022 3:36:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Our fire marshal office standard issue is a gen 5 glock 19 with RMR. Our sheriffs office isn’t even running that high speed. How many people? I can see it being a lot easier for a smaller department than a department with 200 plus sworn personnel. |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 4:12:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most don't due the emitters aren't covered. They would be no good getting wet in the rain or snow. Holster selection helps mitigate this Training officers in proper PMCS Training to deal with lens occlusion both front and rear lens should be part of the curriculum and training I don't think this is a major reason most departments don't. I think it is first and foremost LE is chronically slow to change and adapt and secondarily cost concerns for equipment and training |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 6:30:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most don't due the emitters aren't covered. They would be no good getting wet in the rain or snow. Luckily we don't see much snow and unfortunately we can go a long time without rain. I wonder how Seattle area people deal with that with their million inches of rain? |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 6:32:38 PM EDT
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We do, next county over does, neighboring PD does and another local PD just started
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Posted: 3/25/2022 6:33:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most don't due the emitters aren't covered. They would be no good getting wet in the rain or snow. Our first transition class was in a snowstorm. They performed great. In fact we packed them with snow, we purposefully allow them to get wet and due to our policy of training regardless of conditions, we've definitely ram them through the ringer  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 6:40:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Our first transition class was in a snowstorm. They performed great https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/293626/IMG_2671_jpg-2326114.JPG 
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Posted: 3/25/2022 6:43:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: western colorado always reminds me of afghanistan. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Our first transition class was in a snowstorm. They performed great https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/293626/IMG_2671_jpg-2326114.JPG " it's a dry cold/hot" |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 6:44:37 PM EDT
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The department I work for is in the middle of transitioning to the new MOS system. Training includes wetting the RDS by spraying water into the emitter area.
We are being issued the Trjicon RMR type 2 3.25 MOA Dot |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 6:44:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: " it's a dry cold/hot" silly bastard wants to move to western CO from houston. |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 6:50:49 PM EDT
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Indiana State Police will be receiving Sig 226 9mm pistols with factory RDS soon.
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Posted: 3/25/2022 6:51:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot here in the Phoenix area.  Phoenix Police Shoot Man Pointing Gun at Officers Inside Restaurant |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 7:02:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Our fire marshal office standard issue is a gen 5 glock 19 with RMR. Our sheriffs office isn’t even running that high speed. They have lots of kickback money from all the decks they built. Kharn |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 7:04:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have lots of kickback money from all the decks they built. Kharn  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 7:29:06 PM EDT
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RDS equipped pistols are a fad.
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Posted: 3/25/2022 7:32:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Luckily we don't see much snow and unfortunately we can go a long time without rain. I wonder how Seattle area people deal with that with their million inches of rain? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Most don't due the emitters aren't covered. They would be no good getting wet in the rain or snow. Luckily we don't see much snow and unfortunately we can go a long time without rain. I wonder how Seattle area people deal with that with their million inches of rain? Seattle and Dallas both get about 37 inches of rain per year 
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Posted: 3/25/2022 7:34:11 PM EDT
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Fpni
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Posted: 3/25/2022 7:39:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The department I work for is in the middle of transitioning to the new MOS system. Training includes wetting the RDS by spraying water into the emitter area. We are being issued the Trjicon RMR type 2 3.25 MOA Dot Yep. Training includes an instructor walking around spraying your optic with a spray bottle of water. We taped up front and rear lenses and practiced framing a target with the optic. A closed optic is awesome too. There’s very little downside to MRDS. |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 8:21:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe it was three different funds, one of them being something from the feds that the chief said they'd only been able to spend once in the past because of the strict restrictions the feds put on the money. Sounds like a trick for the feds to keep it for themselves LOL |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 8:37:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seattle and Dallas both get about 37 inches of rain per year Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Most don't due the emitters aren't covered. They would be no good getting wet in the rain or snow. Luckily we don't see much snow and unfortunately we can go a long time without rain. I wonder how Seattle area people deal with that with their million inches of rain? Seattle and Dallas both get about 37 inches of rain per year No shit? How come every damn show based up there always makes it seem like it's raining every fucking day? And to be fair, Dallas might get that much rain, but it's only in about six months LOL |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 8:41:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ICE is the first Federal Agency to begin issuing red dots to all Agents and Officers that want to carry one. They have also begun the process of teaching Agents in the Academy to use red dots. The first class graduated with near perfect qualification scores across the board. They issue the Sig P320 carry with a ROMEO 1PRO. Agents can opt to buy their own Glock with a Trijicon RMR  |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 8:41:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many people? I can see it being a lot easier for a smaller department than a department with 200 plus sworn personnel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Our fire marshal office standard issue is a gen 5 glock 19 with RMR. Our sheriffs office isn’t even running that high speed. How many people? I can see it being a lot easier for a smaller department than a department with 200 plus sworn personnel. True. We’re talking maybe 15 personnel. Sheriffs office is around 400. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 3:41:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i just had this conversation with a coworker about two hours ago. silly bastard wants to move to western CO from houston. Him and I both. Houston is culturally a completely corrupt dumpster fire and the colorado mountains are the most beautiful place on earth. But finding a good paying cop job up there that I could afford to live on, in a non super liberal place, worries me. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 3:42:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RDS equipped pistols are a fad. Super lulz So is the internet, cell phones, and microwave food… |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 3:57:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Our first transition class was in a snowstorm. They performed great. In fact we packed them with snow, we purposefully allow them to get wet and due to our policy of training regardless of conditions, we've definitely ram them through the ringer https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/293626/IMG_2671_jpg-2326114.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Most don't due the emitters aren't covered. They would be no good getting wet in the rain or snow. Our first transition class was in a snowstorm. They performed great. In fact we packed them with snow, we purposefully allow them to get wet and due to our policy of training regardless of conditions, we've definitely ram them through the ringer https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/293626/IMG_2671_jpg-2326114.JPG Thunder Mountain...? |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 4:33:45 AM EDT
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Doubt my PD will ever allow it before I retire anyway. Just the current Gen4 Glock 22 with factory night sites.
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Posted: 3/26/2022 4:36:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Worth more than an RDS on a pistol. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My former department was rapidly approaching having them on everything. My new one? We are issued .40 S&W and firmly living in a land that time forgot. But its got really good pay and benefits. Worth more than an RDS on a pistol. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 6:54:20 AM EDT
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The Palm Beach County Sheriffs Office is going to the G17 Gen 5 mos with issued trijicon rmr type 2 and surefire pistol light. If you are issued a G19, you get the same rmr but a Streamlight TLR 7a. The have about 3000 sworn including corrections staff. The command staff will get a 43X with rmrcc, or so I have been told….
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Posted: 3/26/2022 6:59:13 AM EDT
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All of them as soon as LEO's start figuring out they can ADA complaint, for a reasonable accommodation, due to near/far sightedness.
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Posted: 3/26/2022 7:02:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most don't due the emitters aren't covered. They would be no good getting wet in the rain or snow. Did you note that OP's PD specified Acros? |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 7:05:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RDS equipped pistols are a fad. RDS on rifles were just toys as well. No military would ever use them. |
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