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Posted: 9/29/2011 7:57:05 PM EST
Posted: 9/29/2008 10:58:59 AM CDT
Based on the current situation many think there will be an economic collapse. So, how much time from today (1 month, 3 months, 6 months, a year) has to pass before you will admit there was no economic collapse from the current situation? And no you can't say 20 years. WAY to many things will happen between now and then and the current problem will be as out of mind as the early 70's gas shortages. 3 years to the day since I posted the above. They still think Total economic collapse is just months away and have the whole 3 years. I understand the pessimism. I'm more pessimistic about the economy than most people I talk to. But not the Total Economic Collapse crap. That isn't going to happen. Not from the conditions of 2008 and not from the ones of 2011. How much time has to pass before pessimism becomes delusion or worse a pseudo religion?  The archived thread is quite fun to browse through.  http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/763774_.html |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 7:58:50 PM EST
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Are you kidding? There is a fair subculture here that seem to PRAY for a collapse.
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Posted: 9/29/2011 7:59:27 PM EST
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He surfaces...........................
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Posted: 9/29/2011 7:59:59 PM EST
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Always people that don't have shit that love speaking the gloom.
Not gonna happen. |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:01:41 PM EST
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They will never be wrong. Its always jsut one more month away.
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:02:08 PM EST
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I'll feel better if our President wasn't a lying leftist.
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:02:57 PM EST
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Does this mean there will be NO zombies?
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:03:18 PM EST
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You Ain't Seen Bad Yet But It's Coming- Part 198347398573987567
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:04:42 PM EST
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Quoted: Does this mean there will be NO zombies? Don't give up hope yet!!! |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:06:26 PM EST
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oh for fucks sake. where is all your money invested in sugar?
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:06:40 PM EST
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So...
... Housing collapse ... Stock collapse and skeptical market ... HC skyrocketing in costs ... government spending more then ever ... national debt do not count? Were you talking like "Mad Max" collapse or are we talking a realistic bottom falling out? |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:12:31 PM EST
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Are you kidding? There is a fair subculture here that seem to PRAY for a collapse. Que the ARFCOM Nukeboy Be Careful What You Wish For pic. |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:12:51 PM EST
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Quoted: So... ... Housing collapse ... Stock collapse and skeptical market ... HC skyrocketing in costs ... government spending more then ever ... national debt do not count? Were you talking like "Mad Max" collapse or are we talking a realistic bottom falling out? What makes the US economy? What would you consider 'total collapse'? This is the way I've defined it for 3 years. Easy access to normal goods and services at affordable prices. Commerce is what makes up the US economy. That has not and isn't going to collapse. Commerce took a hit in 2008 and has most definately slowed some and isn't growing much. But it hasn't 'collapsed'. Browse through the archived thread. While many (the doomers) have brought up the mad max bullshit, I never did. Check the definition of 'collapse' as well. |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:14:43 PM EST
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Why are you duping your own thread?
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:15:12 PM EST
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You Ain't Seen Bad Yet But It's Coming- Part 198347398573987567 One man's bad, is another man's good. Take real estate for example: fantastic deals abound...and we haven't even seen bad yet...wait, wut? |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:15:34 PM EST
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Hows the kid doing?
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:20:03 PM EST
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Quoted: Why are you duping your own thread? Long ago archived. Divergent topic concerning that thread and a spin off of it. |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:21:58 PM EST
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Quoted: Hows the kid doing? Friggin best kid I know. At 10 weeks he is sleeping 7-8 hours a night, eating great and cries only a little and is easy to read and settle down. I'm very blessed. I can't thank God enough for this opportunity to be a father to a wonderful child. Keeps me busy. Thanks for asking. 
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:30:06 PM EST
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With even more people out of work now than when Obama first took office, I'd say it's still in the process of collapsING...
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:32:51 PM EST
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Quoted: Does this mean there will be NO zombies? Yeah  ...but it means Ann Margret is still coming  |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:39:51 PM EST
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Never underestimate the governments ability to put off disasters just a LITTLE bit longer. A slow crumbling of a building to its foundation, is still a collapse. I don't see it happening as sudden and soon as most, but I have a hard time seeing us being pulled from under this crushing debt that is continually piling up.
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:46:40 PM EST
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Sometimes a wonder if a collapse would be better than the slow train to oblivion we have been on for the last 20 years. |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 8:56:12 PM EST
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Where do you work? My friend is an electrician and owns his own company, a few vans/trucks and is struggling here in the puget sound unlike ever before.
I think it's the small business owners who feel the doom amd gloom more than most who work for large employers. |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 9:05:57 PM EST
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It's more of the boiled frog effect than a single collapse event
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Posted: 9/29/2011 9:11:23 PM EST
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When was the last time that a bunch of countries needed a bailout to survive? Nervous times ahead folks.
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Posted: 9/29/2011 9:13:47 PM EST
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Quoted: It's more of the boiled frog effect than a single collapse event yep. best case scenario we get more freedom and we continue to get better as a country. worst case scenario is that over the next few generations we dive into socialism/communism or whatever and become a poor nation like the rest of the world where the best you are able to achieve in most cases is mediocrity. most likely scenario is we find a balance somewhere in between and VERY SLOWLY creep into the equal poverty over the next couple hundred years. People love to show how in history nations collapsed under the weight of their government but it is always a LOOOOOONNNNNGGGG process to get to the doomsday picture they perceive as right around the corner. We have a lot of good and bad times ahead of us and not much is going to change in our lifetime that is very noticable. We may have a lower standard of living as years go by but there will never be any collapse unless your definition of collapse is what has happened over the last 100 years and will continue happening over the next hundred years which isn't really a collapse at all. |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 9:18:13 PM EST
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Sometime in the next millennium, give or take a century.
I'm quite the prophet, you know. |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 9:19:29 PM EST
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About six months before it actually happens...9 months at most.
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Posted: 9/29/2011 10:07:33 PM EST
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Why are you duping your own thread? I'll take "Self-Aggrandizement" for $1000, Alex. |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 10:10:18 PM EST
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Things were pretty bad in 08 and 09..a collapse wasn't out of the question.. I'm not sure they're better now or that our debt won't push us over the edge.
I think were going to see a continued lowering of our standard of living for the next couple decades..I think it's inevitable. Perhaps s a question of definitions. Would you say Greece's economy has collapsed? If so, how can you not see the same thng as possible foe us? |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 10:12:29 PM EST
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Quoted:
[span style='BACKGROUND-COLOR: #d5d4d5; FONT-STYLE: italic']Posted: 9/29/2008 10:58:59 AM CDT Based on the current situation many think there will be an economic collapse. So, how much time from today (1 month, 3 months, 6 months, a year) has to pass before you will admit there was no economic collapse from the current situation? The collapse may be more than economic... Magnitude 2.5 - YOUNGSTOWN-WARREN URBAN AREA, OHIO 2011 September 30 00:52:38 UTC 
The North American craton may be ready to bust a seismic move.
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Posted: 9/29/2011 10:14:56 PM EST
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Remember what George Soros said over a year ago? The U.S. dollar should have a controlled decline. That's exactly what we're having.
The numerous stimulus bills have sustained the world's economy. It's slowing it down, but won't stop it. It's hard to predict the time because of schemes not dreamed of. Remember when Bernanke refused to respond to a senator's question about where the TARP funds went? Months later he answered only because of the Dodd-Frank bill. There's much more out there that we still don't know about - like the exact extend that the U.S. banks underwrote all the loans made by the European banks or the extent of the (phoney) debt created by all the sales of derivatives and credit default swaps. Still, the crash is inevitable. Our unemployment is well over 10% and for anyone who is drinking .gov's kool-aid, explain why 45 plus million Americans are dependent on government for survival. That's more than 10%. Unemployment does not cover folks who are no longer eligible to collect or folks who took part time jobs. We had 0.0% job growth in the last quarter and even before that, the jobs that were created are not middle class jobs. Home foreclosures chug steadily along while many who haven't been foreclosed on are underwater. I think we'll survive barely past the Nov. 2012 elections. |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 10:15:02 PM EST
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Quoted:
Posted: 9/29/2008 10:58:59 AM CDT Based on the current situation many think there will be an economic collapse. So, how much time from today (1 month, 3 months, 6 months, a year) has to pass before you will admit there was no economic collapse from the current situation? And no you can't say 20 years. WAY to many things will happen between now and then and the current problem will be as out of mind as the early 70's gas shortages. 3 years to the day since I posted the above. They still think Total economic collapse is just months away and have the whole 3 years. I understand the pessimism. I'm more pessimistic about the economy than most people I talk to. But not the Total Economic Collapse crap. That isn't going to happen. Not from the conditions of 2008 and not from the ones of 2011. How much time has to pass before pessimism becomes delusion or worse a pseudo religion?
The archived thread is quite fun to browse through.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/763774_.html You again!!! 
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Posted: 9/29/2011 10:16:05 PM EST
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Posted: 9/29/2011 10:20:31 PM EST
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Fucking semantics. I thought you stopped this shit and became more likeable.
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Posted: 9/29/2011 10:23:21 PM EST
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I wish you could have been in my shoes between 9am and 2pm today. It would have shut you right the fuck up.
People are being destroyed financially every single day, but none of it is real to you, because it doesn't involve YOU. |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 10:26:09 PM EST
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Quoted: I wish you could have been in my shoes between 9am and 2pm today. It would have shut you right the fuck up. People are being destroyed financially every single day, but none of it is real to you, because it doesn't involve YOU. I was thinking the same thing. It was better suited for you to type it considering your situation. I hope things work out for you. |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 10:31:42 PM EST
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Where do you work? My friend is an electrician and owns his own company, a few vans/trucks and is struggling here in the puget sound unlike ever before. where is all the money he made during the 5 year housing boom? was he wiring up 5000 sq ft houses for free? Quoted:
I think it's the small business owners who feel the doom amd gloom more than most who work for large employers. nonsense. i've been on both sides. when you are running a small business it is quite easy to diversify into other related business areas, which both insulates you somewhat from downturns and allows you to grow your business. back to your electrician friend, for example. does he install CAT6 structured LAN cabling in residences and commercial properties? what about alarm system wiring, including PoE for video and home run Siamese cabling? the tools, techniques, etc for doing these types of tasks are EXACTLY the same as doing electrical work. you can sell these types of services to your existing customers as well as gaining new customers. there is a ton of flexibility leading to financial opportunity here, if you hustle. now try that approach as a worker on the assembly line at Ford. ar-jedi |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 10:42:38 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: I wish you could have been in my shoes between 9am and 2pm today. It would have shut you right the fuck up. People are being destroyed financially every single day, but none of it is real to you, because it doesn't involve YOU. I was thinking the same thing. It was better suited for you to type it considering your situation. I hope things work out for you. Meh, I came back to delete it, because it's just not worth feeding his ego. It took over 300 years to build the US into what it is, and Sherrick knows damned well, that the real issue is Decline, not Collapse. I make a point to never post personal information, and yet I allowed myself to get trolled in like a fucking Tuna. A shitty ending to a shitty day. g-night. |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 10:47:56 PM EST
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DAY 1,095
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Posted: 9/29/2011 10:50:13 PM EST
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Quoted: Things were pretty bad in 08 and 09..a collapse wasn't out of the question.. I'm not sure they're better now or that our debt won't push us over the edge. I think were going to see a continued lowering of our standard of living for the next couple decades..I think it's inevitable. Perhaps s a question of definitions. Would you say Greece's economy has collapsed? If so, how can you not see the same thng as possible foe us? our government is not our economy. A collapse of some government services is possible in our future when people refuse to pay for it and refuse to let them print the payments for it. This could cause recession but the recovery without the wasteful 800 pound thieving gorilla that was on our back will make the economy stronger than it was before. Unless of course the internet is censored and content is controlled when that starts to happen. The people will not replace failed government with more government in this country. We have learned over the last few years to utilize information, social media and have pretty much bypassed the media who has always been the pravda for such things with the internet. The mass rejection of Obamacare was the proof of what I am saying. The only way we will have a greece like collapse is if our government continues to outgrow our private sector for a great deal of time and so far we are not very tolerant of paying for that so it wont happen unless things change . You may think we will print it but we wont. Much more QE and the middle class will start to notice the inflation in their budgets in a way that is more than just a slight annoyance and it will get smacked down with the vote. I do agree though that on our current pace we will have a very gradual but steady decline in our standard of living. I just believe we are in for a correction rather than an acceptance of how things are. It wont be a revolution and complete restoration of America but it will stabilize us and perhaps if we are lucky turn this big boat slowly back into the direction of freedom. |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 10:58:49 PM EST
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Quoted: Things were pretty bad in 08 and 09..a collapse wasn't out of the question.. I'm not sure they're better now or that our debt won't push us over the edge. I think were going to see a continued lowering of our standard of living for the next couple decades..I think it's inevitable. Perhaps s a question of definitions. Would you say Greece's economy has collapsed? If so, how can you not see the same thng as possible foe us? Greece is a tiny economy based largely on leaning on the EU. it lacks any sort of strategic depth. the US economy is about 100 times larger than the Greek economy. it has a ton more elbow room to wiggle around.
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Posted: 9/29/2011 11:03:56 PM EST
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Honestly I'd say about half way through the next republican presidents term would be when you can gloat. Until then we are still and will be dealing with the effects of obama and even though he can't get anything through congress he still has tremendous power. It is obvious that he has control over the country that few presidents have had, he can sic any regulatory branch on anything he wants and even if it is criminal to do so, they do it and he gets away with it. He is also a vindictive and petty person that seems to know no moral restraint, who knows what he will do when kicked out of office but still in power. Then there are factors that now even the govt. has no power over, such as how our economy handles the inflation from all the money they printed or what happens in Europe.
Claiming that everything will be fine is just as obtuse as claiming there will be an economic collapse |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 11:43:42 PM EST
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Quoted: Posted: 9/29/2008 10:58:59 AM CDT Based on the current situation many think there will be an economic collapse. So, how much time from today (1 month, 3 months, 6 months, a year) has to pass before you will admit there was no economic collapse from the current situation? And no you can't say 20 years. WAY to many things will happen between now and then and the current problem will be as out of mind as the early 70's gas shortages. 3 years to the day since I posted the above. They still think Total economic collapse is just months away and have the whole 3 years. I understand the pessimism. I'm more pessimistic about the economy than most people I talk to. But not the Total Economic Collapse crap. That isn't going to happen. Not from the conditions of 2008 and not from the ones of 2011. How much time has to pass before pessimism becomes delusion or worse a pseudo religion? The archived thread is quite fun to browse through. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/763774_.html I'm thinking day after tomorrow or the day after that tops. Of course the news told me that the market collapsed earlier this week...  |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 11:57:02 PM EST
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Quoted: Posted: 9/29/2008 10:58:59 AM CDT Based on the current situation many think there will be an economic collapse. So, how much time from today (1 month, 3 months, 6 months, a year) has to pass before you will admit there was no economic collapse from the current situation? And no you can't say 20 years. WAY to many things will happen between now and then and the current problem will be as out of mind as the early 70's gas shortages. 3 years to the day since I posted the above. They still think Total economic collapse is just months away and have the whole 3 years. I understand the pessimism. I'm more pessimistic about the economy than most people I talk to. But not the Total Economic Collapse crap. That isn't going to happen. Not from the conditions of 2008 and not from the ones of 2011. How much time has to pass before pessimism becomes delusion or worse a pseudo religion? The archived thread is quite fun to browse through. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/763774_.html I have to say this... I really respect your opinion. IF you ever change your tune and say "Oh shit... I was wrong. Guys... uhh this looks .... REALLY fucking bad, I think a collapse just might happen" ... I'd probably piss my pants reading it.  |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 12:44:12 AM EST
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Sherrick, where is your 'Price of gold' thread?
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Posted: 9/30/2011 2:13:18 AM EST
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I really dont know if they will be a financial collapse or not but I respect people with the courage to stand up against
the prevailing sentiment of the masses,you are ridiculed quite often but still stick to your guns,kudos to you
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Posted: 9/30/2011 2:26:49 AM EST
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Get back to me after Nov. '12 election.
eta for clarity. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 2:27:18 AM EST
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Are you kidding? There is a fair subculture here that seem to PRAY for a collapse. Yes they do. There are many here who have never seen combat or it's aftermath, who seem to pray for some kind of violent upheaval in this country. They have no idea what would be left. It would be a patchwork of third world shitholes by the time it's said and done. It sure as hell would NOT be a restoral of this country to any semblence of what so many bemoan the loss of. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 2:32:15 AM EST
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A sudden collapse will only happen if an outside the economy shock, shocks our propped up economy, like a major terror attack or major disruption of oil supplies
Other wise a slow steady long term decline for most people, eventually leading to more social unrest as more and more people have nothing left to lose with significant increases in theft and violent crimes. At any time which some event could act as a spark to bring the whole teetering house of cards down in a few short weeks. Our economy had grown primarily due to ever increasing amounts of debt. Those old economic levels will not return unless we go back to loaning people more money regardless of their ability to pay it back, which I don't think is going to happen. We are hemorrhaging approximately 8% of out national economy every year in the form of a trade deficit. We are replacing that wealth with debt. And then adding some more money from thin air to show growth in the GDP. That simply can not go on for ever. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 2:34:43 AM EST
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How much time can we buy through quantitative easing?
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