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Posted: 7/25/2017 12:15:24 AM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/34777/image-262211.JPG Browning M2A1, .50 BMG, Raufoss Mk 211 
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Posted: 7/25/2017 12:22:31 AM EDT
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Lotta lung and liver shots posted......you're gonna be tracking blood trails for a while, hope you find it.
Elbow raised to the chest = heart shot area. Less walking. Make your headshots count....the brainpan ain't that big and the sinus cavities are bigger. you miss, he's running off recuperating from a bad headache. that's your anatomy lesson for the day. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 12:40:10 AM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/76629/datfarshoulder-262103.JPG .30-06 shooting 165 gr Fed Fusions. I'm going for the lungs and that far shoulder. Most have put the pin or crosshair right behind the shoulder. The deer is quartering away. The exit in that instance is in front of the opposite shoulder. With a bow you clip one lung at best. Even with a complete pass through you could end up losing the deer. With a rifle it's less critical as a bullet kills by a different method. The damage done to the upper chest would certainly be lethal but I would bet that deer would run a good ways before falling over. This quoted example is what your are looking for. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 12:54:58 AM EDT
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I don't own a Mini-14, just threw it in for good measure. 
My only decent deer rifle on the Left Coast is an M1917 chambered in 30-338 Win Mag. It's basically a laser beam inside 250 yds. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 12:59:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2017 1:16:59 AM EDT
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The only rifle I have suitable for hunting deer, at least around here, is my 91/30 PU Sniper. I got pretty lucky with mine, and it has a very accurate BDC out to 500M that I've tested it to. I'd set it right just past the 2 mark and aim here. Bear in mind, I've never hunted anything.
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Posted: 7/25/2017 1:33:43 AM EDT
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I wish I could see the invisible deer some of you are seeing.
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Posted: 7/25/2017 1:45:34 AM EDT
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This is the best example yet. Why? You need to move the point of aim rearward to account for the angle of the animal in relation to your arrow or bullets flight path to maximize the damage done to the vital organs. Most have put the pin or crosshair right behind the shoulder. The deer is quartering away. The exit in that instance is in front of the opposite shoulder. With a bow you clip one lung at best. Even with a complete pass through you could end up losing the deer. With a rifle it's less critical as a bullet kills by a different method. The damage done to the upper chest would certainly be lethal but I would bet that deer would run a good ways before falling over. This quoted example is what your are looking for. Im not sure bullets kill by a different method though. I took a quartering shot on a calm deer almost exactly like this photo once, from 140yards sitting over a backpack rest, with a 165gr Nosler accubond at 2715 fps from a 308win. He went down hard, then immediately popped up and ran like a scalded ape a little over a hundred yards into a thicket. I was disgusted that I could have screwed up such an easy chip shot, and after waiting about 15min I walked to the point of impact expecting a long morning of trailing. There was blood and bone at the impact. Following the trail and found the buck piled up about 15-20 yards into the thicket. He had a baseball sized exit on the offside shoulder that completely obliterated the shoulder and upper leg. When I unzipped him and split the ribcage the first thing I saw was I was that I was looking into his empty, upside down heart which was missing the entire upper half. No aorta, no pulmunary arteries or veins, the heart was disintigrated in a tub of blood and both lower lungs were gone as well. This and a few other similar experiences, taught me that hydrostatic shock doesnt matter. This deer ran at least 120 yards full tilt on three legs until his brain function ceased due to lack of O2 because his blood pressure went to zero. Just like a bowkill. Bullets have the potential to create more bleeding in some cases, but I think the method of kill is the same. Or maybe he was a special forces buck. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 2:06:25 AM EDT
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What the heck are you feeding them? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is a good management buck to shoot. It is an older buck from what I can tell, forget age this is a 3 year old. Died as a 3 year old of lead poisoning. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/340403/IMG-1777-262244.JPG |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 2:08:45 AM EDT
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What the heck are you feeding them? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is a good management buck to shoot. It is an older buck from what I can tell, forget age this is a 3 year old. Died as a 3 year old of lead poisoning. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/340403/IMG-1777-262244.JPG  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 2:09:48 AM EDT
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I agree with most of this post, seems to me a lot of the aimpoints people are posting would be better for broadside shots. Im not sure bullets kill by a different method though. I took a quartering shot on a calm deer almost exactly like this photo once, from 140yards sitting over a backpack rest, with a 165gr Nosler accubond at 2715 fps from a 308win. He went down hard, then immediately popped up and ran like a scalded ape a little over a hundred yards into a thicket. I was disgusted that I could have screwed up such an easy chip shot, and after waiting about 15min I walked to the point of impact expecting a long morning of trailing. There was blood and bone at the impact. Following the trail and found the buck piled up about 15-20 yards into the thicket. He had a baseball sized exit on the offside shoukd thst completed obliterated the shoulder and upper leg. When I unzipped him and split the ribcage the first thing I saw was I was looking into his empty, upside down heart which was missing the entire upper half. No aorta, no pulmunary arteries or veins, the heart was disintigrated in a tub of blood and both lower lungs were gone as well. This and a few other similar experiences, taught me that hydrostatic shock doesnt matter. This deer ran on three legs until his brain function ceased due to lack of O2 because his blood pressure went to zero. Just like a bowkill. Bullets have the potential to create more bleeding in some cases, but I think the method of kill is the same. Or maybe he was a special forces buck. 
Your result is typical whenever there isn't a central nervous system hit. Oh, and a CNS hit is mostly not desirable, due to the small size, and tendency to move suddenly and unpredictably. Those saying they would take a head shot at 200 yards . . . shouldn't. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 2:35:01 AM EDT
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And many here will berate you for "not making a clean/humane kill." Most here have never killed anything, nor seen anything die. They think animals die like in the movies--just flop down and don't move.
Your result is typical whenever there isn't a central nervous system hit. Oh, and a CNS hit is mostly not desirable, due to the small size, and tendency to move suddenly and unpredictably. Those saying they would take a head shot at 200 yards . . . shouldn't. I wont tell anyone they shouldn't take head shots, but they are more risky than some think imho. I have never lost a deer in years of hunting, because I am selective on shots and practice long range. Ive taken deer cleanly at 415 lasered yards that didnt even take a step. With the right prep, that shot can be higher percentage than the pickup a rifle once a year .30-30 shooter at 40 yards. Its all about judgment and due diligence. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 2:48:39 AM EDT
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Overlay position about right?
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Posted: 7/25/2017 5:37:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryFair chase only. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 7:13:39 AM EDT
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 Attached File7mm remington magnum. zeroed at 25 yds. at 237 should put it in the good spot without hitting either leg. I get the whole might only nail one lung thing but deer arent very big and i only get to kill one in arizona. Im not going to ruin a whole shoulder. 7mm remmag will put that fucker down. if he runs 50 yards somehow ill find his dumbass. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 1:09:59 PM EDT
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http://i.imgur.com/cBljfrH.jpg Don't feel like chasing him through the brush. 270 win sighted at 200yds .308 sighted at 100 yards. Neck shot effectiveness  Deer Hunting: 5 Bucks...5 Neck Shots |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 1:30:14 PM EDT
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237 yards, I'm letting it pass. I shouldn't even be able to see it through my front sight post.
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Posted: 7/25/2017 1:33:08 PM EDT
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Hello Arty? Fire for effect!
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Posted: 7/25/2017 1:55:40 PM EDT
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And many here will berate you for "not making a clean/humane kill." Most here have never killed anything, nor seen anything die. They think animals die like in the movies--just flop down and don't move.
Your result is typical whenever there isn't a central nervous system hit. Oh, and a CNS hit is mostly not desirable, due to the small size, and tendency to move suddenly and unpredictably. Those saying they would take a head shot at 200 yards . . . shouldn't. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 11:50:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2017 11:58:31 PM EDT
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Nope. You have outline nothing.
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Posted: 7/26/2017 1:04:15 AM EDT
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Nope. You have outline nothing. Bullshit. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 1:15:08 AM EDT
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So you're telling me that's not fur below the buck? Bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope. You have outline nothing. Bullshit. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 10:08:14 AM EDT
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Blurry limbs/leaves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope. You have outline nothing. Bullshit. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 10:20:42 AM EDT
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Most of you guys have the general idea and I'm with you with a rifle. As I hunt with traditional gear during archery season I'm passing the 32 yd. bow shot.
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Posted: 7/26/2017 10:22:35 AM EDT
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Never shot a deer, never hunted.
This is what I think from just hearing other people talk about it. Correct me. I swagged that as he is angled away (I assume that's what 'quarter away' means), the shot placement might be moved back a little. 
ETA: Ok screw that. No monthly subscription. I put the shot 2-3 inches back from the crease between his leg and his body and just a little low of center of the body. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 10:26:51 AM EDT
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Double tap
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Posted: 7/26/2017 10:29:34 AM EDT
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Double tap 
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Posted: 7/26/2017 10:38:45 AM EDT
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http://i.imgur.com/cBljfrH.jpg Don't feel like chasing him through the brush. 270 win sighted at 200yds |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 10:39:42 AM EDT
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If the double tap is necessary, your first shot was no good. 
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Posted: 7/26/2017 10:42:53 AM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/76629/datfarshoulder-262103.JPG .30-06 shooting 165 gr Fed Fusions. I'm going for the lungs and that far shoulder. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 10:52:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/26/2017 10:55:07 AM EDT
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237 yards away? I wouldn't shoot. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 11:09:40 AM EDT
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One inch down and one inch left of that eye. 338 lapua, 300 grain Berger elite hunter at 2850 fps Zeroed at 200 yards. Eta http://i.imgur.com/qqs7i1P.jpg Course, there ain't gonna be much left to mount on the wall. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 11:15:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryMine was about there, just a LRCH lower.
But again, (cue dog on bucket loader) I have no idea what I'm doing and I'm only guessing from listening to other people. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 11:21:28 AM EDT
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Directly below ear and right on outside edge of throat patch that will provide about 2MOA.
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