First blood!

I try to help you guys out wherever I can...thanks dude.

The complaints in Creedmoor were bullshit, local rancher showing brand new bullets that supposedly hit their ranch office and ended up on the desk...

Yep we had quite a few drag and dirt tracks.   Drag is mostly gone. A few regional dirt tracks remain.

Im not understanding how Texas is lost because of a rifle range.

Looking at it overhead it appears more could be done to limit projectiles going to their neighbors property.

Only time I went was the Larue 2010 Range Day. Drove three or so hours to get there. It was a great place.

Locals and antis have been complaining since the range opened. The developers are pushing it now because it limits their development values. Probably has more to do with noise and traffic concerns but they’ll exploit anything that shuts it down. My dad’s old private rod and gun club was under constant attack by the real estate developers and HOA’s that sprang up around it, till they succeeded in shutting it down. Everything from environmental to noise ordinance was used. Didn’t matter that the range was there decades prior to development either as the developers were greasing palms.

It's just another signs of the times for Texas. It's a shame. They seem to be trying to out do Oregon. Not California, but Oregon.

Yeah imagine a sudden amnesty & citizenship and no real border to stop them

A .45 ACP went “a couple of miles”?

https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/DomnaAntoniadis.shtml

According to this link, 1800 yds or just over a mile is the max for a 230 gr round nose .45 ACP.

It has been close to 10 years since I went there (moved away from Houston in '11) but I remember the roof on the firing line in the handgun area having dozens of holes in it.

BINGO!!!  I bet anything this will happen!  This has less to do with developer being anti-gun and more to do with greedy asshole developer doing what greedy asshole developers do!!

You can't win when you're importing 200,000 Mexicans a month. It's a numbers game to win more democratic seats.

I hope everyone enjoys living here when they get their way. If you work as an anchor for MSNBC or CNN, I hope you speak spanish.

wow...

savage...

@Regulatori
Good to know!  I can bring a bolt action or two and make some noise, and not have a ton of annoyance.  My local range has plenty of distance, but the chance to annoy some Seattle lefties and support a bastion of freedom is too good to pass up.
Outbreed?  Religious conservatives tend to have big families and be politically conservative.  If you mean Latino immigrants, that depends on whether you assume they’ll stay leftist or not, and I wouldn’t make that assumption.  Things change.  But they aren’t usually the most left wing types - they’re much more centrist in the Dem coalition, specific nuts notwithstanding.

The white highly educated leftists who love AOC and the other “progressives” though?  Yeah, their population will drop/is dropping like a rock.  Concern for impact on the planet, delaying marriage for career, and so on mean they aren’t having many kids at all either.  Don’t give up.

And if you can contribute, do.  Settling down and having kids makes the world a better place, so if you’re young enough, stop complaining, get married, and have as many as you and your wife can handle.  I have three (would try for more if physical issues didn’t make that a bad idea), and am raising them up right.  My oldest will be learning to shoot in a year or two, once she’s responsible enough under my supervision, and my boys will do the same.  I did my part, did you do yours?

Yep, it beyond getting old.

Of course some here continue to argue it’s all constructive criticism and the problem is with the poor sensitive Texans that point it out, even though some that point it out aren’t even from Texas.

Knock off the trolling -DV8

Yep. A rifle range next door to a new development means less money in his pocket due to people not wanting to pay as much for the lots/houses. If there's no range next door, his wallet gets a lot fatter.

We had a cock sucking shithead developer try that shit with my club a number of years ago. Bought up all the land down range of our club then starts claiming that 308 rounds are landing near his house (how he could tell the difference I have no clue). He came out one evening when we were shooting with his lawyer and a Sheriff's deputy. The deputy walks up and all our rifles are sand bagged (shooting for accuracy) and told the guy he can't do anything as we were not being unsafe. We then asked the deputy to escort dickhead and his lawyer off club property or charge them with trespass. Never heard anything after that. The real sad thing is that this son of a bitch is a gun owner, but money is more of a priority with him I suppose?

That's what it sounds like.

There was a range for many years near Prescott, AZ.  Development began to encroach and complaints came in.  The USFS would not renew the lease.  The land sits idle now, and the soil is contaminated with lead which nobody wants to touch.

Homes and shooting ranges do not tend to exist well in close proximity.

It had nothing to do with actual danger, or criminals shooting up Walmarts.

Land use is commonly governed by something called "highest and best use", which means that the most valuable use of the property generally wins.  Shooting ranges are not very valuable, except to the members.

LOL.  There is a range near Los Angeles called Angeles Range IIRC, in Little Tujunga Canyon.  There are a couple of ranges there for LE use only.  I personally knew a guy who lived at least 1/4-mile downrange of the LE-only pistol range.  The impact berm is about 20' high.  One wall of his house facing the range is peppered with gun shots.  So much for the theory that LE are all safe shooters.

He asked me what he should do.  I said don't bother calling the cops, they are the ones shooting his house!

As a native Texan new to long range shooting, this is very depressing.

I used to come here when I lived in Austin, have moved out since but it's a shame.

Does anyone know of any other Texas outdoor ranges that'll stretch to 1000 yards as well?

Vote them out. That's what all you Guys in free States ( for now anyway ) keep telling us in Jersey. You'll finally see how good that does.

that's what they do

If you don't want a range to fall to this risk, then you need to build it in a place where nobody will ever inhabit the land in the fall zone, or you own the land.

Anyone who with any experience knows - all rounds do NOT stay on the range.

I have shot alongside "novices" that did incredibly stupid things.  I watched a fellow arfcommer shoot a 50BMG on a long distance range, could not hit a B target (over 5').... until we found out he didn't even have a zero, but he thought it would "be on paper".    We pulled his ass off the range.... but not before he sent those rounds God knows where.

I have seen people just forget which target array they were shooting for, aiming at the 600yard array, with 500yd dope dialed in.

I have seen people forget to dial new dope when moving to a new target array.

I have seen competitors forget to zoom their SFP LPV optics, then use the reticle marks for range estimation at 1X, sending their rounds 4 to 6 times higher than they intended.

Just last month I was on a 1200yd range, and a shooter's rifle went off right as he closed the bolt.  That's obviously a defect, but it happened, and the rifle while pointed forward, was angled up much higher than the berm.  I have seen that happen twice in the past 10 years.

Almost all of these scenarios result in a flat ground strike, or a shot over the far berm.  Those leave the range, and often leave the property.  Even rounds that strike a good quality berm, will have a percentage ricochet.  It is the flat ground strikes, however, that result in a much higher velocity ricochet... and travel much farther.

I'm not surprised.  The range, and the shooter is responsible for every round that is fired....  When a range is built, and the fall zone behind it is barren, there is likely not going to be any issue.  But if you don't own the land, and it later gets developed, this is just how it is.

Long distance ranges are very special.  And they have very special requirements to ensure they are as safe as they can be.  Can this range ensure that not a single projectile ever left the property line?  If not, how much risk is too much?

Ok, from what I'm reading there is a lot of growth that has taken place around the range and certain developers/land owners can prove that rifle rounds are ending up on their property.  Not sure I'd hit the panic button on the whole state over this.

that range sucked anyway. They used a magnet on my bi-metal ammo and told me it was steel core. Prices sucked, range sucked, and the people who ran it were morons.

It's sad but true.
Even Washington County is now wavering democrat.

The problem is that he likely had this plan all along. I used to frequent Liberty Hill and you could hear that range for miles around, he knew this going in to his land purchases.

Spent plenty of time stationed in TX recently. There is a lot of denial going on right now. TX is where CO was prior to their gun bans and permanent shift to blue. Everyone hade the “it can never happen” mentality there as well. Just an observation...so yes...it is constructive criticism.

The Baltic States deserve our full support.

Like Poland, they know better than anyone what life under the Soviet thumb was like.

The Soviets sent Estonians to Siberia and tried to repopulate the country with Russians. Geez.

There’s a private club near San Antonio that has a 600 meter range, only thing I know close..

The political aspect is not entirely what I was referring to, although some seem to gleefully throw out the “Texas is turning blue” as a way to show that Texas will soon be just as politically crappy as their state is now or for  possible future “l told you so” bragging rights.

I am in agreement with you on the current political position of Texas.  The left has been  pouring millions & millions of dollars into this state over several decades to turn Texas blue.  After the last election, there’s blood in the water and now it will really get intense here on the political front.

I still say that if we lose Texas, we lose the country.  Some here have posted that this attitude just shows how arrogant Texans really are.  That blind hatred of all things Texas is what I was referring to. JMAO (Just my arrogant observation), I guess.

As DeathHates stated, “Every Texas thread.”

Agree, it's about selling houses. That area is growing like crazy and it's just like when people move next to an airport and want it to close because of the airplane traffic.

Never meant to imply it was because of one range. But I've been here long enough to see multiple ranges close and courts always siding with the developers, golf course owners, etc. And I've been here long enough to see the change in politics, not just from the new Leftists moving here but also from increasingly squishy Republicans (https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/So-much-for-Dan-Patrick/5-2252095/).

Your observations about Williamson Co. are spot on.

Every gun range or gun store that closes and every local election we lose becomes part of the death of a thousand cuts. So yes, I still believe it is coming. I will be eternally grateful to be proven wrong.

You forgot Oklahoma, the only solid red state in the last election