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Posted: 4/16/2016 7:56:50 AM EDT
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thats why in NC, you get the NC CHP..... no nic's except for class 3
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Posted: 4/16/2016 8:04:26 AM EDT
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PPP are never going away unfortunately because the sherrifs office loves the money too much. Just another reason for me to move. That's why the sherries in this state fought hard against constitutional carry in this state. Fortunately they lost. |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 8:45:29 AM EDT
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You can buy a permit that's good for five years. Commit a crime, go to prison for two years, get out and use the permit to buy a gun (you can use one on a long gun too) without a current background check. You would be lying on the 4473, but felons do lie sometimes. You know, they did bring a similar scenario up as an "excuse" as to why another NIC check isn't a bad idea. But here's my take..... The sheriff has a record of the permits and they are serialized. So theoretically they should realize you have them and revoke them if you are a felon. Not to mention that as soon as you became a felon your firearms should be confiscated. So is it really the LGS that is supposed to police this? Is it up to them to further expound upon the current laws or just do their job, selling fucking guns using the damn bullshit laws already in place. Dont add to my misery because you're a fudd and think it's a good idea to be so extra special careful when selling your product that you feel a need to run me through the wringer to buy another, as in, I already have at least one that hasn't fallen into the ocean, pistol. What's next? A fucking NIC when you walk into the range? When you buy ammo, accessories? |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 8:49:32 AM EDT
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That exactly how it is here in NC too, with a Concealed Weapon Permit. People who DON'T have a CWP can get a Pistol Purchase Permit that acts in the same way for sales - except the PPP is a piece of paper you surrender at the time of sale, and is good for one purchase. The OP is talking about using a Pistol Purchase Permit in his cool story. Which, by the way I am calling  on.
Looks like this in NC General Statute 14-403 http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByArticle/Chapter_14/Article_52A.html § 14-403. Permit issued by sheriff; form of permit; expiration of permit. The sheriffs of any and all counties of this State shall issue to any person, firm, or corporation in any county a permit to purchase or receive any weapon mentioned in this Article from any person, firm, or corporation offering to sell or dispose of the weapon. The permit shall expire five years from the date of issuance. The permit shall be a standard form created by the State Bureau of Investigation in consultation with the North Carolina Sheriffs' Association, shall be of a uniform size and material, and shall be designed with security features intended to minimize the ability to counterfeit or replicate the permit and shall be set forth as follows: North Carolina, ________ County. I, ________, Sheriff of said County, do hereby certify that I have conducted a criminal background check of the applicant, ________ whose place of residence is ________ in ________ (or) in ________ Township, ________ County, North Carolina, and have received no information to indicate that it would be a violation of State or federal law for the applicant to purchase, transfer, receive, or possess a handgun. The applicant has further satisfied me as to his, her (or) their good moral character. Therefore, a permit is issued to ________ to purchase one pistol from any person, firm or corporation authorized to dispose of the same. This permit expires five years from its date of issuance. This __ day of ______, ____. NC General Statute 14-402 explains the private sale question the person above asked about. Basically, for a private sale you have to have either a CWP or a PPP to buy, trade, or be given a handgun in NC. If using a PPP, the seller is supposed to retain the PPP for their records - if the buyer has a CWP, all the seller has to do is verify it by looking at it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You have to have a permit to buy a pistol? That sucks. Legacy of Jim Crow...Seriously! Alabama doesn't even have that nonsense. Flash your pistol permit, pay your money and you're out the door. That exactly how it is here in NC too, with a Concealed Weapon Permit. People who DON'T have a CWP can get a Pistol Purchase Permit that acts in the same way for sales - except the PPP is a piece of paper you surrender at the time of sale, and is good for one purchase. The OP is talking about using a Pistol Purchase Permit in his cool story. Which, by the way I am calling on.
Looks like this in NC General Statute 14-403 http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByArticle/Chapter_14/Article_52A.html § 14-403. Permit issued by sheriff; form of permit; expiration of permit. The sheriffs of any and all counties of this State shall issue to any person, firm, or corporation in any county a permit to purchase or receive any weapon mentioned in this Article from any person, firm, or corporation offering to sell or dispose of the weapon. The permit shall expire five years from the date of issuance. The permit shall be a standard form created by the State Bureau of Investigation in consultation with the North Carolina Sheriffs' Association, shall be of a uniform size and material, and shall be designed with security features intended to minimize the ability to counterfeit or replicate the permit and shall be set forth as follows: North Carolina, ________ County. I, ________, Sheriff of said County, do hereby certify that I have conducted a criminal background check of the applicant, ________ whose place of residence is ________ in ________ (or) in ________ Township, ________ County, North Carolina, and have received no information to indicate that it would be a violation of State or federal law for the applicant to purchase, transfer, receive, or possess a handgun. The applicant has further satisfied me as to his, her (or) their good moral character. Therefore, a permit is issued to ________ to purchase one pistol from any person, firm or corporation authorized to dispose of the same. This permit expires five years from its date of issuance. This __ day of ______, ____. NC General Statute 14-402 explains the private sale question the person above asked about. Basically, for a private sale you have to have either a CWP or a PPP to buy, trade, or be given a handgun in NC. If using a PPP, the seller is supposed to retain the PPP for their records - if the buyer has a CWP, all the seller has to do is verify it by looking at it. Just an FYI, it is not a Concealed Weapon Permit. It is a Concealed Handgun Permit. Subtle but very important difference. |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 8:50:19 AM EDT
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Gay that you need a permit to buy a pistol. But I'm glad to hear the owner wasn't beyond being corrected.
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Posted: 4/16/2016 8:53:34 AM EDT
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And that's what everyone before me did. But why? I had to go out of my way to get to this place, and now I have to wait for another NIC?
Due to the current buying run I had to wait 3 fucking months to get my permits! All because they decided that now they need to check mental health records and they made/passed that law without setting up the process properly to do so. 3 months! Is that right? It shouldn't take 3 months! Also, now you can get many $5 permits as you want. If you want 100 of them you just pay and get them. They realize they fucked up and at least did that to compensate for it. |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 9:06:47 AM EDT
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Gay that you need a permit to buy a pistol. But I'm glad to hear the owner wasn't beyond being corrected. Agreed, I can respect a man that admits he was wrong. I can respect a man that felt a need to contact the ATF to verify what I was telling him. And the fact that I heard hem tell the employees that the policy changed right then leads me to believe that he is someone I wouldn't mind doing business with again. What he did wasn't easy, I know that. I would go back again and if someone asked they would get a favorable review. There is nothing bad about being wrong and admitting it. And this is why I don't want to throw him under the bus and bad mouth his shop. If he had been a dick then it would be a different story. But it was an honest mistake. Really, if I hadn't had to wait 3 months for my permits it would've not been an issue but I was tired of waiting I guess.. |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 9:33:11 AM EDT
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thats why in NC, you get the NC CHP..... no nic's except for class 3 I know! But I think they should go the extra mile and allow people that have NFA to have a designation which allows them to purchase in the future. If you've already gone through the hoops to get NFA then additions you decide to purchase should go faster. Do a NIC, they see you've got NFA, good to go! No NFA would even be better! |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 9:42:31 AM EDT
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Permit to Purchase a Pistol??? sounds more like NY not NC. You need to move to SC quick, fast, and in a hurry. Now there's a beautiful state with easy gun laws and lots of pretty women!
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Posted: 4/16/2016 9:48:45 AM EDT
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And that's what everyone before me did. But why? I had to go out of my way to get to this place, and now I have to wait for another NIC? Due to the current buying run I had to wait 3 fucking months to get my permits! All because they decided that now they need to check mental health records and they made/passed that law without setting up the process properly to do so. 3 months! Is that right? It shouldn't take 3 months! Also, now you can get many $5 permits as you want. If you want 100 of them you just pay and get them. They realize they fucked up and at least did that to compensate for it. Holy shit what county are you in? I'm in Guilford county and it takes about 5 business days. |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 9:54:30 AM EDT
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Permit to Purchase a Pistol??? sounds more like NY not NC. You need to move to SC quick, fast, and in a hurry. Now there's a beautiful state with easy gun laws and lots of pretty women! I live 10 minutes from SC, it's tempting! Lower taxes, better gun laws....but the woman I've dated from there seemed pretty crazy. Although crazy can be fun sometimes! |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 9:56:16 AM EDT
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Holy shit what county are you in? I'm in Guilford county and it takes about 5 business days. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And that's what everyone before me did. But why? I had to go out of my way to get to this place, and now I have to wait for another NIC? Due to the current buying run I had to wait 3 fucking months to get my permits! All because they decided that now they need to check mental health records and they made/passed that law without setting up the process properly to do so. 3 months! Is that right? It shouldn't take 3 months! Also, now you can get many $5 permits as you want. If you want 100 of them you just pay and get them. They realize they fucked up and at least did that to compensate for it. Holy shit what county are you in? I'm in Guilford county and it takes about 5 business days. Mecklenburg county, it sucks! You can go to pretty much any other county and may wait 2 weeks. But not here 
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Posted: 4/16/2016 10:06:54 AM EDT
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PPP are never going away unfortunately because the sherrifs office loves the money too much. Just another reason for me to move. How much do they cost? |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 10:38:10 AM EDT
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Yeah, Mecklenburg County intentionally stretches the process out to the maximum length allowed by law - and often longer.
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Posted: 4/16/2016 10:43:08 AM EDT
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PPP are never going away unfortunately because the sherrifs office loves the money too much. Just another reason for me to move. How much do they cost? They are $5 wach, you can purchase as many as you want when they approve you. They are good for 5 years and you can purchase (1) pistol or multiple long guns with (1) permit. You can walk in, give them the PPP, fill out the 4473, and walk out. If they want to do a NIC they are wrong. Tell them to look at box 23 and it's explanation. If they still want to do a NIC, talk to someone higher up. |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 10:47:30 AM EDT
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Yeah, Mecklenburg County intentionally stretches the process out to the maximum length allowed by law - and often longer. I honestly don't think so. It's the clerks that are now being inundated with mental health checks. That, and I don't think their system online works very well. I kept calling because when I checked on line my status kept resetting. The woman at the sheriff's office was very nice, not your typical govt employee. She alluded to the new mental health provision as the hold up. I believe her because then we talked guns for a bit 
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Posted: 4/16/2016 10:49:20 AM EDT
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You have to have a permit to buy a pistol? That sucks. Yea I know right! 
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Posted: 4/16/2016 11:14:31 AM EDT
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Mecklenburg county, it sucks! You can go to pretty much any other county and may wait 2 weeks. But not here
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And that's what everyone before me did. But why? I had to go out of my way to get to this place, and now I have to wait for another NIC? Due to the current buying run I had to wait 3 fucking months to get my permits! All because they decided that now they need to check mental health records and they made/passed that law without setting up the process properly to do so. 3 months! Is that right? It shouldn't take 3 months! Also, now you can get many $5 permits as you want. If you want 100 of them you just pay and get them. They realize they fucked up and at least did that to compensate for it. Holy shit what county are you in? I'm in Guilford county and it takes about 5 business days. Mecklenburg county, it sucks! You can go to pretty much any other county and may wait 2 weeks. But not here
That's what I thought I remember hearing about it a few months ago. To get your CHP in Guilford county no shit takes close to six months now. You have to apply on line and wait for your appointment BEFORE the ninety day time limit starts. Appointments are all at least two months out 
I don't understand how buttfuck west Virginia gets permit less carry and our is getting worse. |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 11:29:28 AM EDT
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........................ I don't understand how buttfuck west Virginia gets permit less carry and our is getting worse. 
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Posted: 4/16/2016 11:47:51 AM EDT
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I used to live in NC. In order to get a PP you had to take someone from your county with you to the SO and have him/her sign off that you were OK. You could get 5 at a time for $2.00 each. The way the law was originally written, the person you brought with had to be a lawyer, doctor or some other prominent person. It was a Jim Crow Law. That was not the law. That was a requirement of the Sheriff of what ever county you lived in not ever county did that shit. However it is another example of why the PPP needs to go away the problem is Eddie Caldwell president of the NC Sheriffs Assoc. is opposed to any change in the law that remove's power from the Sheriff. |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 11:52:25 AM EDT
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Permit to Purchase a Pistol??? sounds more like NY not NC. You need to move to SC quick, fast, and in a hurry. Now there's a beautiful state with easy gun laws and lots of pretty women! SC is no better they may beat NC on the PPP but at least here we have a right to open carry without a permit being needed. |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 11:53:07 AM EDT
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You have to have a permit to buy a pistol? That sucks. At least they dont have to wait months for the Purchase permit 
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Posted: 4/16/2016 11:54:05 AM EDT
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Yeah, Mecklenburg County intentionally stretches the process out to the maximum length allowed by law - and often longer. The law is 14 days to be issued a PPP or be deigned |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 11:57:58 AM EDT
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What kind of idiots do you have that are running a gun shop without knowing the law?
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Posted: 4/16/2016 11:58:27 AM EDT
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I honestly don't think so. It's the clerks that are now being inundated with mental health checks. That, and I don't think their system online works very well. I kept calling because when I checked on line my status kept resetting. The woman at the sheriff's office was very nice, not your typical govt employee. She alluded to the new mental health provision as the hold up. I believe her because then we talked guns for a bit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, Mecklenburg County intentionally stretches the process out to the maximum length allowed by law - and often longer. I honestly don't think so. It's the clerks that are now being inundated with mental health checks. That, and I don't think their system online works very well. I kept calling because when I checked on line my status kept resetting. The woman at the sheriff's office was very nice, not your typical govt employee. She alluded to the new mental health provision as the hold up. I believe her because then we talked guns for a bit They were doing it long before the mental health check requirements were added. edit - I am speaking from personal experience, not hearsay. |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 1:17:33 PM EDT
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The law is 14 days to be issued a PPP or be deigned Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, Mecklenburg County intentionally stretches the process out to the maximum length allowed by law - and often longer. The law is 14 days to be issued a PPP or be deigned Ours says 30 days...but we have a State Appellate decision that negates the time limit...and when you point out that Permits were routinely and regularly handled Well below the 30 day limit back when everything was done by hand, and by US Mail you get no answer |
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