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Posted: 12/11/2021 2:38:43 PM EDT
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Yes, there are some out there-- Olympic Arms (there's that name again) made an AR in .30 M1 as a factory number for years, and it was a great seller as long as the surplus ammo held out. The mag catch was modified to work with issue mags. They dropped it in 2006 after two years with no orders for them. I bought what I think is the very last one, and it is a serious hoot, but is certainly outperformed by the Blackout.
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Posted: 12/11/2021 2:44:20 PM EDT
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So an antiquated anemic round with finicky mags?
Probably because no one wants one besides you. You don't even want one. Buy an m1 carbine, you'll be happier. |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 2:45:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, there are some out there-- Olympic Arms (there's that name again) made an AR in .30 M1 as a factory number for years, and it was a great seller as long as the surplus ammo held out. The mag catch was modified to work with issue mags. They dropped it in 2006 after two years with no orders for them. I bought what I think is the very last one, and it is a serious hoot, but is certainly outperformed by the Blackout. This. I had an idea to build an AR in every .30 variant I could find at one point. I have 300BLK, 7.62x39 and .308 and considered trying to source the parts for 30 carbine and Tokarev (Ronald Williams goods). I'm glad I didn't throw money at those ideas because the surplus ammo that used to be $150 for 2500 rounds is long gone. |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 2:54:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At this time, you'd be happier running a 300BO Came to post exactly this. |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:08:44 PM EDT
[#5]
A Carbine in .45 Win Mag sounds more interesting.
 Test fire M1 Carbine converted to 45 Win Mag Rogue Gunn Works |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:16:42 PM EDT
[#6]
Olympic Arms experimented with doing a 30 carbine AR-15 some years ago. IIRC one of the issues was that the mag width required the upper receiver to have material hogged out to let it all work.
Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:19:02 PM EDT
[#7]
Olympic Arms made them. They weren’t big sellers.
 https://www.okshooters.com/threads/olympic-arms-ar-in-30-carbine.226606/ |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:21:02 PM EDT
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Somebody, maybe IMI, had a 30 carbine PDW in the works at one time, that would have been nice to have.
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:22:48 PM EDT
[#9]
30 Remington
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:23:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:24:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginallyPosted By Tim_the_enchanter: A .30 carbine that weighs 2 pounds more than an M1 carbine. It will sell like something that sells poorly.  Both my AR’s are the same weight/lighter. |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:25:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Magal. Basically a .30 Carbine Galil that took M1 mags. https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/weapons/machine-guns/imi_magal_smg-03896.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Israelis made one. I cannot recall what it was called though. Magal. Basically a .30 Carbine Galil that took M1 mags. https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/weapons/machine-guns/imi_magal_smg-03896.jpg Y tho 
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:25:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In decades long past the M1 Carbine had 3 things going for it: 1- Cheap Surplus M1 Carbines (my dad tells stories of barrels full of them at gun stores in the 50's-60's) 2- Light handy Carbine, easy to carry 3- Cheap surplus Ammo. Now only one of these advantages remain for the M1 Carbine. When you put 30 Carbine in an AR you loose all the advantages. Dad knew 
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:26:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have enough AR shit. Most of it was “cool” at one time and just takes up wall space these days.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:27:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Y tho Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Israelis made one. I cannot recall what it was called though. Magal. Basically a .30 Carbine Galil that took M1 mags. https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/weapons/machine-guns/imi_magal_smg-03896.jpg Y tho Israelis had a whole bunch of surplus military aid M1 Carbines, ammo, mags etc. so they made a gun to use them for lower tier security units. |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:30:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Other cartridges do better for cheaper Hell were there any production rifles other the M1 carbines/clones chambered in it? I only know of a handful of pistols Dominican Republic made a couple models of a submachine gun in .30 Carbine. |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:30:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People still buy .40 S&W. Sooo....  |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:32:03 PM EDT
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Only a hobbist would do this. It would be a money losing endeavor for any company to attempt something this. Think about R&D and profits/sales analysis. If I ran a gun manufacturing co. and someone comes to me with this idea he would be fired on the spot.
Also, there are AR 9mm and 300 blackout so it would make a .30 Carbine AR pointless after R&D. |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:35:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Both my AR's are the same weight/lighter. Quote HistoryQuoted: OriginallyPosted By Tim_the_enchanter: A .30 carbine that weighs 2 pounds more than an M1 carbine. It will sell like something that sells poorly. Both my AR's are the same weight/lighter. |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:41:33 PM EDT
[#20]
I love suppressed pcc's. I have been dreaming up my ideal cartridge. It would be shortened 30carbine case that would be subsonic with a 110g bullet. A must have for my idea is a stratewalled case for easy reloading.
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:43:39 PM EDT
[#21]
how about a mini M1A instead
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:55:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A .30 carbine that weighs 2 pounds more than an M1 carbine. It will sell like something that sells poorly. Yeah, weighs 2 lbs. more and by the time all the bullshit accessories are clamped to the picatinny rails, it's about as handy as, and has the profile of, an 8 lb. crucifix. If you want something like an AR chambered in .30 Carbine, buy an M1 Carbine and put it in a folding stock. 
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:56:23 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Magal. Basically a .30 Carbine Galil that took M1 mags. https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/weapons/machine-guns/imi_magal_smg-03896.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Israelis made one. I cannot recall what it was called though. Magal. Basically a .30 Carbine Galil that took M1 mags. https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/weapons/machine-guns/imi_magal_smg-03896.jpg Huh! So that's what this polymer furniture is for. I have a chassis/main grip for that thing. No idea where I picked it up. |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 4:28:27 PM EDT
[#24]
I don’t really see the point. The only reason to use .30 carbine is in an M1. There are better cartridges for anything you want to do in an AR15.
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Posted: 12/11/2021 4:47:19 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At this time, you'd be happier running a 300BO 30 carbine is usually cheaper (currently about the same) 30 carbine also is not perfectly suited to grenading a 5.56 AR - unlike 300 BlowUp That being said, 30 carbine isn't a good choice overall as others said. I just think 300 is even worse |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 4:58:33 PM EDT
[#26]
What does .30 carbine do better than any other .30 cartridge available for ARs.
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Posted: 12/11/2021 5:01:40 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What does .30 carbine do better than any other .30 cartridge available for ARs. Nothing. Part of the .30 Carbine's draw is the light, handy, simple to operate rifle. Chambering an AR-15 in .30 Carbine would be as pointless as chambering an AR-10 in 5.56. |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 5:08:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: because .30 carbine ammo isnt really that easy to get like it used to be and 9mm. Hey, Taurus single handedly brought the 410 back from the brink of obscurity ^.^ But an AR... Maaaaaaybe not. |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 5:13:22 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted: .30 carbine AR15 that takes M1 Carbine magazines. I think it would be a hot seller |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 5:19:01 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Magal. Basically a .30 Carbine Galil that took M1 mags. https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/weapons/machine-guns/imi_magal_smg-03896.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Israelis made one. I cannot recall what it was called though. Magal. Basically a .30 Carbine Galil that took M1 mags. https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/weapons/machine-guns/imi_magal_smg-03896.jpg Well nuts. I kinda like that. |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 5:29:43 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because only one would be sold. <This. |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 5:39:33 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Other cartridges do better for cheaper Hell were there any production rifles other the M1 carbines/clones chambered in it? I only know of a handful of pistols Yep.....FAMAE / Taurus CT-30 .....I want one badly  TAURUS CT30.WMV |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 5:39:49 PM EDT
[#33]
7.62 x 25mm gets similar performance. I saw an AR15 in that IIRC a few years back.
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Posted: 12/11/2021 6:01:56 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, weighs 2 lbs. more and by the time all the bullshit accessories are clamped to the picatinny rails, it's about as handy as, and has the profile of, an 8 lb. crucifix. If you want something like an AR chambered in .30 Carbine, buy an M1 Carbine and put it in a folding stock. You call them bullshit accessories, but if you could take a modern M4 back in time the WWII guys would kill to have it. How do I know? 
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Posted: 12/11/2021 6:03:00 PM EDT
[#35]
It's not that hard to make an adapter. It's mostly a mag filler anyway.
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Posted: 12/11/2021 6:11:10 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, weighs 2 lbs. more and by the time all the bullshit accessories are clamped to the picatinny rails, it's about as handy as, and has the profile of, an 8 lb. crucifix. If you want something like an AR chambered in .30 Carbine, buy an M1 Carbine and put it in a folding stock. https://i.imgur.com/sakeZh5l.jpg What he said. You can even tacticool a M1 Carbine if you want 
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Posted: 12/11/2021 6:45:44 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Magal. Basically a .30 Carbine Galil that took M1 mags. https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/weapons/machine-guns/imi_magal_smg-03896.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Israelis made one. I cannot recall what it was called though. Magal. Basically a .30 Carbine Galil that took M1 mags. https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/weapons/machine-guns/imi_magal_smg-03896.jpg Did they have like a million loaded M1 Carbine mags lying around or something? Kharn |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 6:55:52 PM EDT
[#38]
nevermind read the post wrong....
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Posted: 12/11/2021 6:58:16 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: .30 carbine AR15 that takes M1 Carbine magazines. I think it would be a hot seller You’re probably the only one. Or one of maybe s dozen who would actually want something like that. Ergo, not enough demand to justify supplying something like this. |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 7:00:11 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Israelis made one. I cannot recall what it was called though. I would like to see that ... ! |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 7:06:01 PM EDT
[#41]
300BLK and a few others are similar but better.
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Posted: 12/12/2021 9:30:47 AM EDT
[#42]
Because 30 Carbine round SUCKS ASS!
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Posted: 12/12/2021 9:37:19 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A .30 carbine that weighs 2 pounds more than an M1 carbine. It will sell like something that sells poorly.   My Grandfather, pride of the 94th, somewhere in Europe '44/'45 with his M1 carbine. Gramps on the left. His best buddy, James Madison Chase, AKA Calhoon, from Rensselaer New York on the right. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 9:40:39 AM EDT
[#44]
Not seeing any pluses
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Posted: 12/12/2021 9:52:38 AM EDT
[#45]
Because you can buy a ruger Blackhawk in .30
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Posted: 12/12/2021 9:54:37 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they have like a million loaded M1 Carbine mags lying around or something? Kharn |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 10:09:30 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well we've been around a while. Avatar checks out. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 10:17:09 AM EDT
[#48]
30 carbine seems to be close to my 300 blackout loads in some loadings. Funny how some adore the 300 blackout yet revile the 30 carbine.
Nothing wrong with 30 carbine, but carbine mags are not the best design unless you desire it because they are more plentiful Back in the day early tacticool guys necked the 30 carbine down to 223 diameter and it was probably better PDW round than 4.6 or 5.7 which people also adore but revile the 30 carbine version. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 10:18:56 AM EDT
[#49]
I really want an AR in .600 Nitro Express.
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Posted: 12/12/2021 10:20:26 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: .30 carbine. Nuff said. |
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