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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:06:50 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/51536/IMG_1565_JPG-307534.jpg This was my dinner last night. I have no fucking clue how many calories are in it, and I can't be bothered to bust out a calculator and a scale to try and figure it out. 
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:07:50 PM EDT
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I think anyone that doesn't know they are fat because they eat to much is likely functionally retarded. Sure everyone makes excuses and some of them may even have a little validity but no one is cramming down a dozen donuts a liter of cola and a large pizza and deep down doesn't know that is what is making them fat. I also think obesity isn't the result of people slamming large pizzas or a box of donuts - most people don't gain 150 pounds in a year - it's a slow process. Lots of 300, 400, 500 calorie surpluses that add up over time. Add to that the normalization of large portions (nobody has any idea what one serving of Cinnamon Toast Crunch actually looks like), throw in a natural human inclination to avoid blaming yourself, and insulin spikes/withdrawals that feel a lot like nicotine withdrawal, and I think there actually are a lot of really obese people out there who have no conscious idea as to why they're obese. Unconsciously they may know, but they will look for any excuse that they can find to avoid having to take responsibility for their decisions and their condition, which means they'll glom onto any explanation for why they're fat - as long as they can blame something else. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:10:19 PM EDT
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I was waiting for you to post the pic of the NASA scientists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/51536/IMG_1565_JPG-307534.jpg This was my dinner last night. I have no fucking clue how many calories are in it, and I can't be bothered to bust out a calculator and a scale to try and figure it out.
Even if I did, it would only be a crude estimate. 
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:11:13 PM EDT
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I think there are a lot of people who legitimately have no idea how many calories they're consuming or burning. I also think obesity isn't the result of people slamming large pizzas or a box of donuts - most people don't gain 150 pounds in a year - it's a slow process. Lots of 300, 400, 500 calorie surpluses that add up over time. Add to that the normalization of large portions (nobody has any idea what one serving of Cinnamon Toast Crunch actually looks like), throw in a natural human inclination to avoid blaming yourself, and insulin spikes/withdrawals that feel a lot like nicotine withdrawal, and I think there actually are a lot of really obese people out there who have no conscious idea as to why they're obese. Unconsciously they may know, but they will look for any excuse that they can find to avoid having to take responsibility for their decisions and their condition, which means they'll glom onto any explanation for why they're fat - as long as they can blame something else. 
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:12:26 PM EDT
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3000 is VERY high. For context, running a marathon burns about 2600 cals. Not saying it isn't possible, but that's a very, very high number. Unless you're talking about your TDEE being 3000, that's well within reason.
I have no idea what TDEE is either .
All I know is , I eat a lot of food. I work my ass off. I stay skinny |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:13:33 PM EDT
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next you are going to tell me you are losing weight and not even hungry |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:14:15 PM EDT
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I think there are a lot of people who legitimately have no idea how many calories they're consuming or burning. I also think obesity isn't the result of people slamming large pizzas or a box of donuts - most people don't gain 150 pounds in a year - it's a slow process. Lots of 300, 400, 500 calorie surpluses that add up over time. Add to that the normalization of large portions (nobody has any idea what one serving of Cinnamon Toast Crunch actually looks like), throw in a natural human inclination to avoid blaming yourself, and insulin spikes/withdrawals that feel a lot like nicotine withdrawal, and I think there actually are a lot of really obese people out there who have no conscious idea as to why they're obese. Unconsciously they may know, but they will look for any excuse that they can find to avoid having to take responsibility for their decisions and their condition, which means they'll glom onto any explanation for why they're fat - as long as they can blame something else. By the way, ever since I started cutting back my intake (trying to consume 1300-1200 calories a day) and working out, I've dropped about 28 pounds since May.
By next May, I aim to get back down to my old weight of 174.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:14:18 PM EDT
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They didn't count calories either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/51536/IMG_1565_JPG-307534.jpg This was my dinner last night. I have no fucking clue how many calories are in it, and I can't be bothered to bust out a calculator and a scale to try and figure it out.
Even if I did, it would only be a crude estimate. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:21:01 PM EDT
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I think there are a lot of people who legitimately have no idea how many calories they're consuming or burning. I also think obesity isn't the result of people slamming large pizzas or a box of donuts - most people don't gain 150 pounds in a year - it's a slow process. Lots of 300, 400, 500 calorie surpluses that add up over time. Add to that the normalization of large portions (nobody has any idea what one serving of Cinnamon Toast Crunch actually looks like), throw in a natural human inclination to avoid blaming yourself, and insulin spikes/withdrawals that feel a lot like nicotine withdrawal, and I think there actually are a lot of really obese people out there who have no conscious idea as to why they're obese. Unconsciously they may know, but they will look for any excuse that they can find to avoid having to take responsibility for their decisions and their condition, which means they'll glom onto any explanation for why they're fat - as long as they can blame something else. Eat a 100 calorie/day surplus over a year and you'll gain 10 pounds. Over a decade, you're 100 pounds overweight. Cutting weight is hard, but once you learn it you can easily nip any weight gain in the bud. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:22:46 PM EDT
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i'm curious about the nasa thing? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/51536/IMG_1565_JPG-307534.jpg This was my dinner last night. I have no fucking clue how many calories are in it, and I can't be bothered to bust out a calculator and a scale to try and figure it out.
Even if I did, it would only be a crude estimate.
And yet, they weren't massive fat fucks at the time. Mysteries of the universe... |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:26:08 PM EDT
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In other threads, I've hypothesized that those chain-smoking, stressed out, short-sleeved, skinny-tie wearing thin fucks you saw in archival footage weren't gym rats, definitely weren't health nuts, and didn't weigh portions or count calories.
And yet, they weren't massive fat fucks at the time. Mysteries of the universe... |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:26:35 PM EDT
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i'm curious about the nasa thing? 
Essentially, asking why there weren't any fatties in the picture. EDIT: as a side note back in the mid 1980's, I got to tour the Air Force Rescue Coordination Center. A little Cessna like plane crashes and its Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT) starts transmitting a signal. Satellitees flying overhead pick up the signal. So at the AFRCC there was this big map of the US on one wall. I mean so big I think there was a rolling ladder. Some enlisted guy would roll the ladder to where it needed to be, climb up the ladder and place something like a lightning bolt symbol on the map to denote that is where one of the satellites picked up a signal. Onto my point...somewhere in the back areas amongst the cubicles, some dude must have smoked like a chimney. There was a glass ashtray in his cubicle. It was the size of a hub cap in diameter. It was filled about 2 inches deep with cigarette butts and you could smell it from about 20 feet away. 
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:27:51 PM EDT
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Sub already answered your question...but maybe a week or so in the regularly scheduled "Hate all fatties" thread here in GD, Sub posted a pic like this: https://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/images/content/662790main_lcc-apollo.jpg Essentially, asking why there weren't any fatties in the picture. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:29:16 PM EDT
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Sub already answered your question...but maybe a week or so in the regularly scheduled "Hate all fatties" thread here in GD, Sub posted a pic like this: https://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/images/content/662790main_lcc-apollo.jpg Essentially, asking why there weren't any fatties in the picture. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i'm curious about the nasa thing? https://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/images/content/662790main_lcc-apollo.jpg Essentially, asking why there weren't any fatties in the picture.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:32:22 PM EDT
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If you're a soda-slammer like I was, just eliminate them from your day, and you'll drop serious weight (>25lbs in two months, for me). I was pounding down something on the order of 1500 calories/day of just sodas.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:33:49 PM EDT
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Sub already answered your question...but maybe a week or so in the regularly scheduled "Hate all fatties" thread here in GD, Sub posted a pic like this: https://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/images/content/662790main_lcc-apollo.jpg Essentially, asking why there weren't any fatties in the picture. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:35:45 PM EDT
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Conventional wisdom suggests that they carefully counted calories (taking their BMR into account along with activity level), weighed and measured portions, exercised a lot, etc. I remain...skeptical. Keto-church dogma would have us believe they all ate nothing but steaks, bacon, and butter. 
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:39:49 PM EDT
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Or they just ate reasonable portions of whatever and when the mirror told them they were starting to look like a fat fuck, consciously ate less. Keto-church dogma would have us believe they all ate nothing but steaks, bacon, and butter. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:41:33 PM EDT
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Here's a modern mission control room picture. Maybe it's just that the type of people who are dedicated enough to work for nasa are also the same types who arent inclined to overeat and get fat/and or workout to take care of themselves?
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:46:29 PM EDT
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Here's a modern mission control room picture. Maybe it's just that the type of people who are dedicated enough to work for nasa are also the same types who are inclined to overeat and get fat? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/319006/IMG_1046-307555.JPG We (collectively) eat way too fucking much, we just don't know why. They're getting fatter in Europe too over the same period of time (it's really noticeable in the UK), so it's not just an American phenomenon. Fascinating shit. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:49:06 PM EDT
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You also notice it in wide shots of television studio audiences, sporting events, etc back in the day. We've collectively become quite portly. And I don't think it's because the entire country up and got lazy, or just decided to pig out on a whim. We (collectively) eat way too fucking much, we just don't know why. They're getting fatter in Europe too over the same period of time (it's really noticeable in the UK), so it's not just an American phenomenon. Fascinating shit.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:51:40 PM EDT
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You also notice it in wide shots of television studio audiences, sporting events, etc back in the day. We've collectively become quite portly. And I don't think it's because the entire country up and got lazy, or just decided to pig out on a whim. We (collectively) eat way too fucking much, we just don't know why. They're getting fatter in Europe too over the same period of time (it's really noticeable in the UK), so it's not just an American phenomenon. Fascinating shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here's a modern mission control room picture. Maybe it's just that the type of people who are dedicated enough to work for nasa are also the same types who are inclined to overeat and get fat? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/319006/IMG_1046-307555.JPG We (collectively) eat way too fucking much, we just don't know why. They're getting fatter in Europe too over the same period of time (it's really noticeable in the UK), so it's not just an American phenomenon. Fascinating shit. Food has also gotten better tasting. So you want to eat more of it. A Big Mac, fries, and a Coke is delicious, cheap, and easy. But it's what, 1200 calories? That's more than half your days food if you are an average man that doesn't work out. I don't think it's a secret. If you make food that tastes good, is cheap, and extremely accessible then the average population is gonna get fatter. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:56:40 PM EDT
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Lol, I'm the same size roughly and 1800 would put weight on me if I ate that much.
Oh well, I guess being 47 with a lardass german metabolism doesn't leave me much wiggle room. Most days I eat about 1600 to maintain. Maybe more if I work out hard. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:57:02 PM EDT
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Or they just ate reasonable portions of whatever and when the mirror told them they were starting to look like a fat fuck, consciously ate less. Keto-church dogma would have us believe they all ate nothing but steaks, bacon, and butter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Conventional wisdom suggests that they carefully counted calories (taking their BMR into account along with activity level), weighed and measured portions, exercised a lot, etc. I remain...skeptical. Keto-church dogma would have us believe they all ate nothing but steaks, bacon, and butter. I just post in that thread because it's a rough approximation of how I normally eat, as a matter of habit. That dinner pic I posted earlier? There's a bunch of apples in there. Definitely not ketogenic (they would eschew eating that much sweet fruit).
Still, if I were to hazard a guess, I'd hypothesize that compared to today, they ate a diet that was higher in fat and lower in carbohydrate than what most Americans are accustomed to today. And if I were to continue guessing, I'd guess that most of that difference in carbohydrate comes from sugar - probably soft drinks and the fact that we eat more packaged/prepared foods than we used to, which near universally contain quite a bit of added sugar/HFCS to make them more palatable. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 6:00:18 PM EDT
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I dunno. Food is cheap and easy. You literally don't have to leave your car. You can have pizza delivered, takeout, etc. Food has also gotten better tasting. So you want to eat more of it. A Big Mac, fries, and a Coke is delicious, cheap, and easy. But it's what, 1200 calories? That's more than half your days food if you are an average man that doesn't work out. I don't think it's a secret. If you make food that tastes good, is cheap, and extremely accessible then the average population is gonna get fatter. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 6:05:19 PM EDT
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They definitely didn't follow a Ketogenic diet. Hell, I don't either. I just post in that thread because it's a rough approximation of how I normally eat, as a matter of habit. That dinner pic I posted earlier? There's a bunch of apples in there. Definitely not ketogenic (they would eschew eating that much sweet fruit).
Still, if I were to hazard a guess, I'd hypothesize that compared to today, they ate a diet that was higher in fat and lower in carbohydrate than what most Americans are accustomed to today. And if I were to continue guessing, I'd guess that most of that difference in carbohydrate comes from sugar - probably soft drinks and the fact that we eat more packaged/prepared foods than we used to, which near universally contain quite a bit of added sugar/HFCS to make them more palatable. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 6:08:26 PM EDT
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If only there were some way of counting how much we ate in terms of how our bodies metabolized the food into useful energy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You also notice it in wide shots of television studio audiences, sporting events, etc back in the day. We've collectively become quite portly. And I don't think it's because the entire country up and got lazy, or just decided to pig out on a whim. We (collectively) eat way too fucking much, we just don't know why. They're getting fatter in Europe too over the same period of time (it's really noticeable in the UK), so it's not just an American phenomenon. Fascinating shit. In my mind, you should eat only when you're hungry and only until you're satiated. If you do this and are still putting on weight somehow, it means your body is incorrectly feeling hungry when it really shouldn't be. Something wrong. Something's broken. You'll have to either figure out why (probably make some dietary adjustments)...or just count calories instead and deal with being hungry a lot, even though you've consumed a sufficient number of calories by the numbers. Personally, I think it's easier to just tweak your diet a bit so that you: A) Don't have to bust out a scale and a calculator every time you cook a fuckin' meal. B) Are able to eat fewer calories without feeling hungry all the damn time - it's probably more sustainable this way. Either way works, I just think it's easier to tweak your diet a bit. Honestly, if you just cook the vast majority of your food yourself from fresh ingredients instead of ripping open a can/box/bag and tossing it in the microwave, you almost can't help but eat pretty damn sensibly by default (unless you bake pastries and deserts all day ). There's no need to go full on biohacker or anything, unless you just like nerding out on nutrition (fuck that).
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Posted: 9/14/2017 6:35:50 PM EDT
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I think there are a lot of people who legitimately have no idea how many calories they're consuming or burning. I also think obesity isn't the result of people slamming large pizzas or a box of donuts - most people don't gain 150 pounds in a year - it's a slow process. Lots of 300, 400, 500 calorie surpluses that add up over time. Add to that the normalization of large portions (nobody has any idea what one serving of Cinnamon Toast Crunch actually looks like), throw in a natural human inclination to avoid blaming yourself, and insulin spikes/withdrawals that feel a lot like nicotine withdrawal, and I think there actually are a lot of really obese people out there who have no conscious idea as to why they're obese. Unconsciously they may know, but they will look for any excuse that they can find to avoid having to take responsibility for their decisions and their condition, which means they'll glom onto any explanation for why they're fat - as long as they can blame something else. For DECADES nearly everyone told you it was the eggs and bacon that made you fat. So you cut down on bacon, eggs and other "fattening" stuff. But now you are strangely hungry all the time. You discovered that after eating pancakes you were tired and hungry 2 hours later. But you were following good sound advice-- or so you thought. But you gained weight. When people said "you're cheating on your diet" or "You're a lazy fuck," you doubled down. And got fatter. Only shear willpower, being opposed by your endocrine system at every step, could you ever hope to make progress. Some people did-- but about 30 percent of the population didn't. Now imagine that happening to 300 million people over 40 years. It was the biggest nutritional science experiment ever done, and it was perpetrated on a fraud. If you were armed with the newest and correct science, and discovered you could eat your fill of bacon and not get fat, would you be better off? Now we know that old advice was bad, very very bad. at some point it doesn't matter whose fault it was-- we are all responsible for ourselves. It's just a lot harder when you are getting very bad advice. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 6:42:14 PM EDT
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Or they just ate reasonable portions of whatever and when the mirror told them they were starting to look like a fat fuck, consciously ate less. Keto-church dogma would have us believe they all ate nothing but steaks, bacon, and butter. The guys in the pics were less hungry and had fewer cravings because nobody told them that dietary fat was the debbil. therefore they ate less. Non of them had ever heard the phrase "low fat." And no major medical foundations were telling them they should eat every few hours-- they were likely doing an unintentional intermittent fast. And they had never heard of fucking "ketosis." But so what? Availability of carby foods has something to do with it. But ask yourself how humans could survive for a couple million years if it was a natural phenomenon to eat yourself into morbid obesity. Why do people crave more food when their stomachs are so full it hurts? |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 6:42:43 PM EDT
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Sounds like you plan your life around drinking. Don't we all? |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 6:44:07 PM EDT
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No it doesn't. And have you ever been fat adapted for at least a few months? The guys in the pics were less hungry and had fewer cravings because nobody told them that dietary fat was the debbil. therefore they ate less. Non of them had ever heard the phrase "low fat." Availability has something to do with it. But ask yourself how humans could survive for a couple million years if it was a natural phenomenon to eat yourself into morbid obesity. Why do people crave more food when their stomachs are so full it hurts? |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 6:47:51 PM EDT
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You can tell alot more than I can from photographs, apparently. In 1977, coincidentally, Senator McGovern teamed with Monsanto and convinced millions of people to stop eating fat. the trend lines started going hockey stick. Life got easier, but no chance suddenly everyone got slothy within a decade. There was no sugar in a jar of spaghetti sauce then. Today it's the second ingredient after tomatoes. Why? Cuz when they removed the olive oil to make it "low fat," it tasted like shit. Low fat, high carb everything and everywhere. If you're young you can manage it, and even recover if you lost it for awhile. If you're older, you'll need to get aggressive. For me, it was keto. but you go ahead and do what works for you. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 6:50:50 PM EDT
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Add to that the normalization of large portions (nobody has any idea what one serving of Cinnamon Toast Crunch actually looks like)...
Besides, bacon and eggs are better. I mean come on, it's bacon and eggs. You can't go wrong. 
And if you're the calorie counting type, a couple eggs and a couple slices of bacon are only ~266 calories. Serving sizes on most packaged foods are a joke. Seriously, who's going to pour 3/4 cup of cereal, a 1/2 cup of milk, and call that a meal? Fucking nobody, and General Mills damn well knows it.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 6:51:34 PM EDT
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I was alive then. I graduated HS in 1976; the fatties were like 5 percent of my class of 700. In 1977, coincidentally, Senator McGovern teamed with Monsanto and convinced millions of people to stop eating fat. the trend lines started going hockey stick. Life got easier, but no chance suddenly everyone got slothy within a decade. There was no sugar in a jar of spaghetti sauce then. Today it's the second ingredient after tomatoes. Why? Cuz when they removed the olive oil to make it "low fat," it tasted like shit. Low fat, high carb everything and everywhere. If you're young you can manage it, and even recover if you lost it for awhile. If you're older, you'll need to get aggressive. For me, it was keto. but you go ahead and do what works for you.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 6:51:38 PM EDT
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The reason that people are getting fat nowadays is because the calorie content of the food is higher and the portion sizes are higher.
A 32 oz soda was not a thing you could buy in 1970. The obesity explosion is relatively recent, the fatness started zooming upward around 1995. Nobody can eat huge amounts of high calorie food and not gain weight You can go to Five Guys and get a 3,000 calorie meal for like $13. if you guys think that people back in 1975 were all keto-riffic and doing lots of exercise, allow me to laugh in your face. they recently did a study to determine the calorie sources of the average person and found that people are eating huge piles of cheap dogshit food What Americans Eat: Top 10 sources of calories in the U.S. diet 1. Grain-based desserts (cakes, cookies, donuts, pies, crisps, cobblers, and granola bars) 2. Yeast breads 3. Chicken and chicken-mixed dishes 4. Soda, energy drinks, and sports drinks 5. Pizza 6. Alcoholic beverages 7. Pasta and pasta dishes 8. Mexican mixed dishes 9. Beef and beef-mixed dishes 10. Dairy desserts |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 6:53:47 PM EDT
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well that was before the whole fat is bad for you thing so they likely did eat a good bit more fat than what the modern american does. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 6:54:03 PM EDT
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9 more experts lay waste to the Calories In Calories Out Model (CICO) of Obesity: http://www.caloriegate.com/calories-in-calories-out/9-more-experts-lay-waste-to-the-calories-in-calories-out-cico-model-of-obesity Nobody is skirting that fundamental reality. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 6:58:28 PM EDT
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They also ate carbs, lots of carbs, (and, the Asians were the same way for about 5,000 years while they were all tiny fuckers). Moderation, exercise. It's so simple. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 7:03:43 PM EDT
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Imagine a common breakfast of eggs, bacon, pancakes and hash browns. For DECADES nearly everyone told you it was the eggs and bacon that made you fat. So you cut down on bacon, eggs and other "fattening" stuff. But now you are strangely hungry all the time. You discovered that after eating pancakes you were tired and hungry 2 hours later. But you were following good sound advice-- or so you thought. But you gained weight. When people said "you're cheating on your diet" or "You're a lazy fuck," you doubled down. And got fatter. Only shear willpower, being opposed by your endocrine system at every step, could you ever hope to make progress. Some people did-- but about 30 percent of the population didn't. Now imagine that happening to 300 million people over 40 years. It was the biggest nutritional science experiment ever done, and it was perpetrated on a fraud. If you were armed with the newest and correct science, and discovered you could eat your fill of bacon and not get fat, would you be better off? Now we know that old advice was bad, very very bad. at some point it doesn't matter whose fault it was-- we are all responsible for ourselves. It's just a lot harder when you are getting very bad advice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think there are a lot of people who legitimately have no idea how many calories they're consuming or burning. I also think obesity isn't the result of people slamming large pizzas or a box of donuts - most people don't gain 150 pounds in a year - it's a slow process. Lots of 300, 400, 500 calorie surpluses that add up over time. Add to that the normalization of large portions (nobody has any idea what one serving of Cinnamon Toast Crunch actually looks like), throw in a natural human inclination to avoid blaming yourself, and insulin spikes/withdrawals that feel a lot like nicotine withdrawal, and I think there actually are a lot of really obese people out there who have no conscious idea as to why they're obese. Unconsciously they may know, but they will look for any excuse that they can find to avoid having to take responsibility for their decisions and their condition, which means they'll glom onto any explanation for why they're fat - as long as they can blame something else. For DECADES nearly everyone told you it was the eggs and bacon that made you fat. So you cut down on bacon, eggs and other "fattening" stuff. But now you are strangely hungry all the time. You discovered that after eating pancakes you were tired and hungry 2 hours later. But you were following good sound advice-- or so you thought. But you gained weight. When people said "you're cheating on your diet" or "You're a lazy fuck," you doubled down. And got fatter. Only shear willpower, being opposed by your endocrine system at every step, could you ever hope to make progress. Some people did-- but about 30 percent of the population didn't. Now imagine that happening to 300 million people over 40 years. It was the biggest nutritional science experiment ever done, and it was perpetrated on a fraud. If you were armed with the newest and correct science, and discovered you could eat your fill of bacon and not get fat, would you be better off? Now we know that old advice was bad, very very bad. at some point it doesn't matter whose fault it was-- we are all responsible for ourselves. It's just a lot harder when you are getting very bad advice. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 7:08:21 PM EDT
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What I find odd is the keto people say carbohydrates are inherently bad for you, your body isn't optimized to use them, etc... because of millions of years of evolution... then in the next breath say you need an adjustment period of x number of months to be able to overcome the lethargy from lack of carbohydrates. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They also ate carbs, lots of carbs, (and, the Asians were the same way for about 5,000 years while they were all tiny fuckers). Moderation, exercise. It's so simple. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22436/ "Brain. Glucose is virtually the sole fuel for the human brain, except during prolonged starvation." So that explains the madness... |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 7:13:46 PM EDT
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What I find odd is the keto people say carbohydrates are inherently bad for you, your body isn't optimized to use them, etc... because of millions of years of evolution... then in the next breath say you need an adjustment period of x number of months to be able to overcome the lethargy from lack of carbohydrates. once your body breaks out of the sugar cycle you can even gorge on carbs and be back in keto the next day. Maybe for optimum physical performance about a month of adaptation will give the best results as your body gets better at producing and utilizing ketones. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 7:18:41 PM EDT
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It takes less than a week for most people, others don't even need any adaptation period. once your body breaks out of the sugar cycle you can even gorge on carbs and be back in keto the next day. Maybe for optimum physical performance about a month of adaptation will give the best results as your body gets better at producing and utilizing ketones. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What I find odd is the keto people say carbohydrates are inherently bad for you, your body isn't optimized to use them, etc... because of millions of years of evolution... then in the next breath say you need an adjustment period of x number of months to be able to overcome the lethargy from lack of carbohydrates. once your body breaks out of the sugar cycle you can even gorge on carbs and be back in keto the next day. Maybe for optimum physical performance about a month of adaptation will give the best results as your body gets better at producing and utilizing ketones. "When it comes to athletes and performance and their in-training fuel, once again, carbohydrates remain vitally important just as they do in everyday meals and snacks. In order to maximize and optimize performance and recovery, athletes need to continually load and reload muscle glycogen stores. This process can not happen with a low-carbohydrate/high-protein diet. According to Ashley Chambers, M.S. and Len Kravitz, PhD, muscle glycogen is the primary fuel (followed by fat) used by the body during exercise." |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 7:19:41 PM EDT
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Small enough, that it's a fuckin' cock tease. It's so small, it's honestly not worth eating. And it's sugary as hell anyway (might as well be a dessert). I'd just as soon not bother.
Besides, bacon and eggs are better. I mean come on, it's bacon and eggs. You can't go wrong.
And if you're the calorie counting type, a couple eggs and a couple slices of bacon are only ~266 calories. Serving sizes on most packaged foods are a joke. Seriously, who's going to pour 3/4 cup of cereal, a 1/2 cup of milk, and call that a meal? Fucking nobody, and General Mills damn well knows it. A COUPLE slices of bacon ? A couple of weeks ago I got a hankering for BLTs. I had three BLTs , then proceeded to cook the rest of the bacon and eat that as a side a,omg with my BLTs
A whole package of bacon is one serving 
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Posted: 9/14/2017 7:20:30 PM EDT
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sum(mihi) - sum(mehe) = dE/dt Nobody is skirting that fundamental reality. Weird. Explain how 175 calories of white bread and 175 calories of olive oil are going to be managed by your metabolism. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 7:20:51 PM EDT
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Omg carbs don't make you hungry. Do keto tards just infiltrate every single thread? there's a whole lot of science behind it between hormones and the amount of glucose that you can hold in your blood but you can just keep calling everyone stupid. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 7:22:00 PM EDT
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yall fat fucks srs if you're not below 8% bf
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Posted: 9/14/2017 7:23:21 PM EDT
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Keto and optimum physical performance should never be used in the same sentence. "When it comes to athletes and performance and their in-training fuel, once again, carbohydrates remain vitally important just as they do in everyday meals and snacks. In order to maximize and optimize performance and recovery, athletes need to continually load and reload muscle glycogen stores. This process can not happen with a low-carbohydrate/high-protein diet. According to Ashley Chambers, M.S. and Len Kravitz, PhD, muscle glycogen is the primary fuel (followed by fat) used by the body during exercise." |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 7:23:28 PM EDT
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....We (collectively) eat way too fucking much, we just don't know why. ... Really. Well, spank my ass and call me Charlie because me obviously posting Dr. Lustig's seminar "Sugar: the bitter truth" hasn't helped educate anyone here.  Sugar: THE BITTER TRUTH There are at least two hormones, leptin and/or ghrelin, that tell your brain to stop eating. When you drink a soda which contains HFCS or ingest other HFCS containing products, leptin or ghrelin doesn't get produced or that hormonal signal doesn't make it to the brain. So you keep eating even though that coke you just drank was 200 to 300 calories. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 7:24:10 PM EDT
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Deal with the drinking problem and the weight issue will self correct. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 7:24:27 PM EDT
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True, but it turns out it doesn't apply to the human metabolic and endocrine system. Weird. Explain how 175 calories of white bread and 175 calories of olive oil are going to be managed by your metabolism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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sum(mihi) - sum(mehe) = dE/dt Nobody is skirting that fundamental reality. Weird. Explain how 175 calories of white bread and 175 calories of olive oil are going to be managed by your metabolism. |
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