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Posted: 2/13/2020 2:40:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2020 2:44:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
The Republican Party was the party that freed slaves and championed civil rights. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 2:45:12 AM EDT
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The parties "switched" (political realignment) in the 60's. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 2:52:14 AM EDT
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Why is it the liberals are the ones trying to stomp on freedom and ban everything? Should they be the ones crying for more freedom, no bans, etc? Pretty sure.
Kinda in the name, right? |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 3:03:22 AM EDT
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 Democrat "Party Switch" Myth Debunked |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 3:04:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2020 3:07:12 AM EDT
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What specifically did I post that is incorrect? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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One need only start a Civil War thread in GD to see that many of today's Confederate sympathizers and supporters are on "our" side. One need only see how ugly those threads get to see that this in no way means anyone else flipped the other way. Are the types of people fighting to keep Confederate monuments up more likely to vote for Republicans or Democrats? How about those who want to take them down? Good luck finding many Confederate Flag waving apologists for the Confederacy voting for Democrats these days. No, there are a few reasons most are against tearing down monuments and statues and censoring the Confederacy out of existence. For some of us it is a belief in honoring our ancestors even if they were sometimes bad people who did terrible things. There is also the fact that the Confederacy is still tied to Southern identity and culture so an attack on these old images of the South seems like an attack on it's people. Northerners see these things and all they think is slavery and Jim Crow but to a lot of Southerners these things remind them of family, home, food, music, art, etc. Leftist Democrats will never understand this. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 3:23:43 AM EDT
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I'm guessing you don't have roots in the South. Most Southerners and especially Southern Republicans do not in any way support the politics of our ancestors save for maybe the idea that succession from the union should be legal. No, there are a few reasons most are against tearing down monuments and statues and censoring the Confederacy out of existence. For some of us it is a belief in honoring our ancestors even if they were sometimes bad people who did terrible things. There is also the fact that the Confederacy is still tied to Southern identity and culture so an attack on these old images of the South seems like an attack on it's people. Northerners see these things and all they think is slavery and Jim Crow but to a lot of Southerners these things remind them of family, home, food, music, art, etc. Leftist Democrats will never understand this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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One need only start a Civil War thread in GD to see that many of today's Confederate sympathizers and supporters are on "our" side. One need only see how ugly those threads get to see that this in no way means anyone else flipped the other way. Are the types of people fighting to keep Confederate monuments up more likely to vote for Republicans or Democrats? How about those who want to take them down? Good luck finding many Confederate Flag waving apologists for the Confederacy voting for Democrats these days. No, there are a few reasons most are against tearing down monuments and statues and censoring the Confederacy out of existence. For some of us it is a belief in honoring our ancestors even if they were sometimes bad people who did terrible things. There is also the fact that the Confederacy is still tied to Southern identity and culture so an attack on these old images of the South seems like an attack on it's people. Northerners see these things and all they think is slavery and Jim Crow but to a lot of Southerners these things remind them of family, home, food, music, art, etc. Leftist Democrats will never understand this. Many of the controversial monuments were only put up in the 1950s, by Democrats, to protest the Civil Rights movement. This is similar to how states like Georgia embedded the Battle Flag symbology into their state flag in the 1950s. This was Democrats. Now, it’s Republicans trying to deny the history even as it was Democrats who did it. It was Republicans who played the “well, if we can’t have the battle flag, we’ll make the Georgia state flag look like the old Confederate national flag.” 50 years ago, you would never see a Republican proudly displaying a Confederate Battle flag and captioning it with something like, “if this flag offends you, you need a history lesson.” That was the purview of Democrats. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 5:42:13 AM EDT
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The truth doesn't matter. What does matter is what people believe and I can tell you that almost ever black person I've ever talked to is firmly convinced that the parties flipped. That is their truth. You can present them with all the facts you want and most likely not change their minds. Its like entering the Twilight Zone.
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Posted: 2/13/2020 6:07:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good luck finding many Confederate Flag waving apologists for the Confederacy voting for Democrats these days. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 6:19:49 AM EDT
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The parties never flipped.
But the tide began to turn when the the Dems added certain things to their platform: Abortion Gun Control Higher Taxes Social Programs and Gender crap Most Southerners do not want the Government running their lives. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 6:22:39 AM EDT
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There was no switch. All parties have moved further left over the last 150 years.
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Posted: 2/13/2020 6:51:21 AM EDT
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I believe only 1 politician at the national level switched sides during the period that the Democrats claim that the parties switched ideologies. It's a pants on the head stupid claim. He was a supporter of segregation that was a Democrat, but then switched to Republican. South Carolina. He was one of the only ones. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 6:53:42 AM EDT
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I was always under the impression and been told that dems were for the little guy, the worker, etc and the Republicans were for big business types. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I JUST had this conversation with a coworker a few days ago and almost posted a thread asking about it. Can someone give a level headed explanation? Going to watch the videos in the thread and see if I am remembering correctly. Thanks to those who posted them. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 7:31:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The behavior of Democrats don't bear it out. Need to find a racist? Find a white Democrat, get her alone, and bait the conversation.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 7:40:19 AM EDT
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I JUST had this conversation with a coworker a few days ago and almost posted a thread asking about it. Can someone give a level headed explanation? |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 8:02:34 AM EDT
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Dinesh desusa has a great bit explaining how that’s a load of bullshit. Party policy’s and party has absolutely not swapped. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 8:11:44 AM EDT
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We were taught about the "realignment" in Political Science classes, as though sometime in the early '70's all the racists suddenly left the Democratic Party and decided to become Republican, and vise-versa. It's bullshit. The election results don't bear that theory out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some idiot tried to tell me the parties flipped in the 50's.  It's bullshit. The election results don't bear that theory out. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 8:43:33 AM EDT
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Only one party is obsessed with skin colors. And it ain't us.
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Posted: 2/13/2020 8:57:55 AM EDT
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The Democrats modified their stated views to regain control over minorities, the Republicans have never changed racial ideology. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 9:02:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Democrats started all that nonsense about tying souther identity to the war. Many of the controversial monuments were only put up in the 1950s, by Democrats, to protest the Civil Rights movement. This is similar to how states like Georgia embedded the Battle Flag symbology into their state flag in the 1950s. This was Democrats. Now, it’s Republicans trying to deny the history even as it was Democrats who did it. It was Republicans who played the “well, if we can’t have the battle flag, we’ll make the Georgia state flag look like the old Confederate national flag.” 50 years ago, you would never see a Republican proudly displaying a Confederate Battle flag and captioning it with something like, “if this flag offends you, you need a history lesson.” That was the purview of Democrats. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 9:07:02 AM EDT
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No, they didn't. It was the southern strategy that started the political realignment. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 9:11:05 AM EDT
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Watch the movie Death of a Nation by Dinesh D'Souza. It will answer all of your questions and arm you for arguments with idiots. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 9:13:31 AM EDT
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The Nazi party was disbanded after WW2, but the Democrat party was allowed to continue existing after the War of Southern Submission. Does that seem right to you? |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 9:17:47 AM EDT
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Teddy Roosevelt (R) quit the party and started the Progressive Party.
Most people here would call that old Progressive Party a bunch of communists. It didn't work out so he ran back to the Republicans. Some of the Progressive Party platform included nationalized healthcare, women's suffrage, minimum wage, farm relief, and a reduced requirement to amend the constitution. IOW, things would would make people here shit the bed. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 9:18:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
The parties never flipped. But the tide began to turn when the the Dems added certain things to their platform: Abortion Gun Control Higher Taxes Social Programs and Gender crap Most Southerners do not want the Government running their lives. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 9:20:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Some idiot tried to tell me the parties flipped in the 50's. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 9:22:09 AM EDT
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All the state and local offices of the south have been full of racist white democrats for years. Places like the tax collector, etc were terrible in the 80s and 90s yet still solid democrat. Reagan had some impact in the public, but not govt. they know it’s only a few years to wait out any president. Think bill clinton or Lawton chiles.
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Posted: 2/13/2020 9:40:52 AM EDT
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It’s amusing that so many people insist that one day the parties just decided to reverse and adopt each other’s views. Because things like that happen lol
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Posted: 2/13/2020 9:42:00 AM EDT
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Person is stupid.
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Posted: 2/13/2020 9:43:03 AM EDT
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It's only because the leftists have been trying like hell to disavow their history as slavers, KKK organizers, Jim Crow law passers, and basically the party of racism and bigotry, and they want to blame all their own sordid history on the Republicans. And the main reason why the leftists hate Candace Owens-Farmer with the passion of a thousand burning suns, is because she's a black woman who has the audacity to call them on it. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 9:43:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Some idiot tried to tell me the parties flipped in the 50's. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 9:44:42 AM EDT
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 Why Did the Democratic South Become Republican? | 5 Minute Video  U.S. Politics 101 - History of the Right | 5 Minute Video |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 9:57:25 AM EDT
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This is why they destroy civil war statues. Don't want to be reminded that the Dems controlled the south and slaves.
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Posted: 2/13/2020 10:12:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Some idiot tried to tell me the parties flipped in the 50's. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 10:14:26 AM EDT
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Many of the controversial monuments were only put up in the 1950s, by Democrats, to protest the Civil Rights movement. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 10:27:30 AM EDT
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The behavior of Democrats don't bear it out. Need to find a racist? Find a white Democrat, get her alone, and bait the conversation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some idiot tried to tell me the parties flipped in the 50's. It's bullshit. The election results don't bear that theory out. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 10:31:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know one like this. She loves minorities and thinks they need special attention and handouts. As long as the don't live next to her or there's no black kids playing basketball at the park. Shit, what do you think caused the creation of the lily white suburbs? And up North millions of those assholes are mostly dumbass communist, anti gun democrats. I would imagine it is the same down South........(e.g., Virginia as a prime example). |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 10:49:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
It’s amusing that so many people insist that one day the parties just decided to reverse and adopt each other’s views. Because things like that happen lol It is just an (overly) simplistic way of stating the start of a political realignment which started in the 60's. It is clearly more complex and nuanced than saying "they flipped"....but without a wall of text, that is the most simplistic response. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 10:53:37 AM EDT
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If so, then why wasn’t Robert Byrd a republican?
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Posted: 2/13/2020 11:10:25 AM EDT
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When I was younger (60's & 70's) the democrats were supported by, and advanced agendas that (supposedly) benefited, the working and middle-class. Republicans supported the interests of big business and management while advancing civil rights for the lower classes. That has flipped under Trump. Democrats have moved very far to the left and in doing so have rejected and abandoned the policies and politics of JFK and the teachings and solutions of MLK. That center has now been claimed by Trump and the Republicans. If we are lucky (and Americans traditionally have been lucky) Trump will educate a new generation in the wisdom of traditional American solutions to economics and foreign policy.
Today's Democratic party will continue to implode into total irrelevance. As it disappears and the Republican party grows, divisions in the Republican party will cause a split, and give birth to two parties, both of which will support traditional American policies and share many common ideals. Sanity will be restored to our political system and America's greatness will continue to grow for generations. We will have come full circle... |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 11:12:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Some idiot tried to tell me the parties flipped in the 50's. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 11:12:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was always under the impression and been told that dems were for the little guy, the worker, etc and the Republicans were for big business types. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 11:13:00 AM EDT
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Watch Hillary’s America by Dinesh D’Souza.
He does a great job explaining the history of the Democratic Party. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 11:14:38 AM EDT
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The only way I’ve had it remotely explained to me is that before a certain time, The Dem party was for less gov control and the repubs were for more gov control. As far as I understand that is basically the only difference. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 11:14:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2020 11:16:26 AM EDT
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I can provide one but I'd venture it would be ignored in the stead of the prevailing groupthink. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I JUST had this conversation with a coworker a few days ago and almost posted a thread asking about it. Can someone give a level headed explanation? |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 11:18:42 AM EDT
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Good video on the topic.
https://www.prageru.com/video/why-did-the-democratic-south-become-republican/ |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 11:20:04 AM EDT
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Quote History |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 11:26:00 AM EDT
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Your link is correct. And i stand by my post. It was the southern strategy that started the political realignment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No, they didn't. It was the southern strategy that started the political realignment. This view has been questioned by historians such as Matthew Lassiter, Kevin M. Kruse and Joseph Crespino, who have presented an alternative, "bottom up" narrative, which Lassiter has called the "suburban strategy". This narrative recognizes the centrality of racial backlash to the political realignment of the South,  but suggests that this backlash took the form of a defense of de facto segregation in the suburbs rather than overt resistance to racial integration and that the story of this backlash is a national rather than a strictly Southern one |
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