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Posted: 10/23/2017 7:35:59 PM EDT

Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but:

-He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR
-He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists
-He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members
-He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office
-He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it

So why do conservatives love him so much? Why do liberals hate him so much?

Posted: 10/23/2017 7:37:25 PM EDT

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He believed in small government.

Posted: 10/23/2017 7:41:30 PM EDT

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Just by taking office, Iran released the hostages for fear of his wrath.

Posted: 10/23/2017 7:42:19 PM EDT

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Oh. You're not conservative. Got it.

Posted: 10/23/2017 7:46:28 PM EDT

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Don't forget him giving California the Democrat vote for the rest of the foreseeable future with the illegal alien amnesty.

Posted: 10/23/2017 7:48:03 PM EDT

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He was the first President of the 20th century to not be a progressive except Coolidge and Hoover. He may not have been perfect, but he represented a new movement to help stem the bleeding of the progressive onslaught against this country that has continued unabated since Reconstruction.

Posted: 10/23/2017 7:52:22 PM EDT

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Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but:

-He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR
-He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists
-He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members
-He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office
-He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it

So why do conservatives love him so much? Why do liberals hate him so much?

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How old are you? I'm not trying to be an ass, but it will give a perspective of where you are coming from.

Posted: 10/23/2017 7:54:00 PM EDT

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Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but:

-He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR
-He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists
-He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members
-He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office
-He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it

So why do conservatives love him so much? Why do liberals hate him so much?

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Posted: 10/23/2017 7:54:28 PM EDT

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Born in ‘89. His successor/VP hated freedom and liked gun control too

Posted: 10/23/2017 7:57:19 PM EDT

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So what modern president was better?

Answer: none

Posted: 10/23/2017 7:57:43 PM EDT

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If you can name me one perfect person, let alone a politician, I'll concede your points.

Did Reagan have some flaws? Sure, who doesn't. We've been cursed with this belief that we could compromise with the (whatever name you want to give those working to destroy this country), and that eventually he would be successful. He traded some things, to get things he thought were important to the country. Some of those trades may have been worth it, some not so much.

Out of curiosity OP, did you live through that time?

I ask because he was a large part of the change and optimism that American went through during the 80s. Going from Vietnam into the 70s had left this country in a shitty mood for the most part. I would hate to think how things may have turned out with him being President.

ETA: I see you answered the age question. I don't know if I can properly explain how much he benefited this country in the long run.

Posted: 10/23/2017 7:58:40 PM EDT

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Totally! We love him because he shrank the federal government/deficit/debt!!!

Oh wait... he grew the debt massively and didn't shrink .gov...

Posted: 10/23/2017 7:58:54 PM EDT

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Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but:

-He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR
-He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists
-He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members
-He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office
-He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it

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My guess is you are under the age of 30?

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:03:18 PM EDT

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First of all, your post basically proves that you are a liberal and/or don't understand what Americanism is or Constitutional Conservatism is. Second, Reagan had his faults like all politicians do. However, he is the only president in the last umpteen years that actually fought to reduce the size of government and institute supply-side economics. His tax cuts were the largest in American history. High tide raises all boats. He did have to deal the liberals at the time and made some concessions as needed.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:03:53 PM EDT

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Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but:

-He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR
-He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists
-He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members
-He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office
-He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it

So why do conservatives love him so much? Why do liberals hate him so much?

How old are you? I'm not trying to be an ass, but it will give a perspective of where you are coming from.

Pretty much what I was wondering. I've even heard that some believe it was the Pope that caused the Soviet demise.

eta, just saw the age. Oh well.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:05:11 PM EDT

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Born in ‘89. His successor/VP hated freedom and liked gun control too

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How old are you? I'm not trying to be an ass, but it will give a perspective of where you are coming from.

Born in ‘89. His successor/VP hated freedom and liked gun control too

This explains everything. Now hush adults are talking.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:05:45 PM EDT

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First of all, your post basically proves that you are a liberal and/or don't understand what Americanism is or Constitutional Conservatism is. Second, Reagan had his faults like all politicians do. However, he is the only president in the last umpteen years that actually fought to reduce the size of government and institute supply-side economics. His tax cuts were the largest in American history. High tide raises all boats. He did have to deal the liberals at the time and made some concessions as needed.

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Seems like I understand the Constitution pretty well if I can understand that “shall not be infringed” means exactly that

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:07:04 PM EDT

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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:07:11 PM EDT

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NO offense to your youth and inexperience, but that explains it all.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:07:13 PM EDT

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Pretty much what I was wondering. I've even heard that some believe it was the Pope that caused the Soviet demise.

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Also bullshit. The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its imperial control of other people’s countries and a strict communist economy.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:08:10 PM EDT

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Reagan was a leader when the free world needed one. Common people in third world dictatorships looked up to him during his speeches with hope for their own countries. For many, their dictatorships eventually fell, something they attributed directly to Reagan and his speeches. They wept when he was buried.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:08:12 PM EDT

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First of all, your post basically proves that you are a liberal and/or don't understand what Americanism is or Constitutional Conservatism is. Second, Reagan had his faults like all politicians do. However, he is the only president in the last umpteen years that actually fought to reduce the size of government and institute supply-side economics. His tax cuts were the largest in American history. High tide raises all boats. He did have to deal the liberals at the time and made some concessions as needed.

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Fed gov size 1981 - 1.56mil
Fed gov size 1989 - 1.56mil
(only counting civilian, not .mil)

Reagan did not shrink the government.
Reagan increased spending though...

WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU INCREASE SPENDING AND CUT TAXES???

DEBT GOES UP

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:08:19 PM EDT

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So then who is a conservative?

He was president, not a superhero.

BTW his military initiatives including SDI were the tipping point towards collapsing an increasingly exhausted USSR.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:09:08 PM EDT

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922(r)

Bush loves gun control

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:09:57 PM EDT

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This is true, but it does not invalidate my criticisms.

Also apparently a 1337 post

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:11:07 PM EDT

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Also bullshit. The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its imperial control of other people’s countries and a strict communist economy.

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What economy? Actually they had full employment, just like all the other socialist countries. Ask them.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:12:01 PM EDT

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How old are you? I'm not trying to be an ass, but it will give a perspective of where you are coming from.

Born in ‘89. His successor/VP hated freedom and liked gun control too

Too young to remember.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:12:34 PM EDT

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What economy? Actually they had full employment, just like all the other socialist countries. Ask them.

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Also bullshit. The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its imperial control of other people’s countries and a strict communist economy.

What economy? Actually they had full employment, just like all the other socialist countries. Ask them.

Exactly. In Communist economies, employment does not correlate strongly with production.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:13:18 PM EDT

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If you didn't experience 'Morning in America', and what preceded it, there's really no way to encapsulate it in a way you'd understand. Many times, leadership is about capturing or creating a zeitgeist, not just bullet points on Wikipedia.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:13:48 PM EDT

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Yes he did.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:14:05 PM EDT

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Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but:

-He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR
-He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists
-He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members
-He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office
-He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it

So why do conservatives love him so much? Why do liberals hate him so much?

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FAKE NEWS!

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:14:16 PM EDT

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Generally when I want to be taken seriously and not for a foolish retard, I pop into threads and tell people who lived a certain time period when I was not even alive how things went down.

There are just not enough of these

for this thread.

We are currently experiencing a period similar in nature to 1980. We just came off 8 years of losing and morale has been crazy low with social chaos. And boom, in comes a leader with intangibles that changes the mood of the country.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:14:32 PM EDT

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What economy? Actually they had full employment, just like all the other socialist countries. Ask them.

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Also bullshit. The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its imperial control of other people’s countries and a strict communist economy.

What economy? Actually they had full employment, just like all the other socialist countries. Ask them.

Yeah, and how well did full employment work out for them when they weren’t producing efficiently and were overly dependent on a few sectors (arms and oil basically)? Not to sound Keynesian, but what does it matter if nobody has any goods that they can actually buy and our realizing that the governments promises of a society without money are nonsensical?

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:14:33 PM EDT

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Pretty much what I was wondering. I've even heard that some believe it was the Pope that caused the Soviet demise.

Also bullshit. The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its imperial control of other people’s countries and a strict communist economy.

Nope

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:15:00 PM EDT

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-He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it

Yeah, one of my eyes kinda popped out when I read that, too.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:15:50 PM EDT

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Please, provide detailed evidence of how what I posted is wrong.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:16:57 PM EDT

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Edgy post modernist hipster, first time caller West of the Rockies checking in. Gotcha...

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:16:59 PM EDT

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KIDS AND SUMMER HELP?

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:17:04 PM EDT

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Learn about his entire life. His political career began by fighting the commies in Hollywood.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:17:09 PM EDT

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Bush was to Reagan as Cruz was to Trump.

As a gesture of good will to the GOPe, the Gipper chose H.W. As his running mate.

They were not friends, and they did not share ideology.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:17:43 PM EDT

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ITT, we learn why liberalism is winning and the disdain for Millenials continues with good reason. The benefits of Reagan's reign was felt for many years after he left office. The policies and strength he projected as President was palpable, yet torn down by progressives and RINO's bit by bit with each successor. There were issues that some may shake their heads over, but he worked with what he had before him. His love of country cannot be surpassed and will shine for many more years.Yes, the ban of 1986 was horrible but could have been a hell of a lot worse. Just imagine how screwed this country would have been if Carter or his party's next candidate had won. We'd be using peashooters and living under communistic rules and socialistic medical care.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:18:18 PM EDT

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Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but:

-He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR
-He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists
-He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members
-He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office
-He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it

So why do conservatives love him so much? Why do liberals hate him so much?

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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:18:28 PM EDT

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Born after he left office. Your opinion is not only ill-informed, it's stupid.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:18:40 PM EDT

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Nevermind read it wrong, completely

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:18:51 PM EDT

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This,
And his piercing blue eyes

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:18:51 PM EDT

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I would take him back right now.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:19:40 PM EDT

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Totally! We love him because he shrank the federal government/deficit/debt!!!

Oh wait... he grew the debt massively and didn't shrink .gov...

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He believed in small government.

Totally! We love him because he shrank the federal government/deficit/debt!!!

Oh wait... he grew the debt massively and didn't shrink .gov...

News flash: government never shrinks.

Best you can do is check growth the best you can.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:20:50 PM EDT

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Fed gov size 1981 - 1.56mil
Fed gov size 1989 - 1.56mil
(only counting civilian, not .mil)

https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/Chart1-Spending-Per-Capita-vero.png

Reagan did not shrink the government.
Reagan increased spending though...

WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU INCREASE SPENDING AND CUT TAXES???

DEBT GOES UP

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What's your point? You thought his tax cuts were supposed to cure everything overnight? That our economy wasn't so great by the time he left? How did that debt look as a percent of GDP after 8 years. I'd rather have a 3k mortgage making 500k than making 50.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:21:13 PM EDT

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http://reason.com/archives/2003/11/01/the-gipper-and-the-hedgehog

https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385504713/reasonmagazineA/

The USSR could have continued for a very long time, and would have if Reagan didn't stand up to them. The peace process followed by previous adminstrations gave the Soviets the breathing space they needed.