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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:56:33 PM EDT
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Reagan basically did everything that Russia-controlled racist morons falsely accused Obama of doing. He was utterly corrupt, funneled arms to Iran, and infringed your second amendment rights, while exploding the debt and cowering to terrorists.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:57:25 PM EDT
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Until Trump, I have never seen a President that did not disrespect the Constitution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ITT, we learn why liberalism is winning and the disdain for Millenials continues with good reason. The benefits of Reagan's reign was felt for many years after he left office. The policies and strength he projected as President was palpable, yet torn down by progressives and RINO's bit by bit with each successor. There were issues that some may shake their heads over, but he worked with what he had before him. His love of country cannot be surpassed and will shine for many more years.Yes, the ban of 1986 was horrible but could have been a hell of a lot worse. Just imagine how screwed this country would have been if Carter or his party's next candidate had won. We'd be using peashooters and living under communistic rules and socialistic medical care. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:58:42 PM EDT
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GD: Where a politician stealing candy from a baby is characterized as:
A just application of the might makes right, free market capitalism, and true American constitutional values! OR Part of a secret commie pedophile Islamist subversive plot to collapse the nation by starving our children! All depends on where that politician fits into the GD political narrative... |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:59:54 PM EDT
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Jesus fucking Christ GD is getting dumb.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:02:00 PM EDT
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Reagan basically did everything that Russia-controlled racist morons falsely accused Obama of doing. He was utterly corrupt, funneled arms to Iran, and infringed your second amendment rights, while exploding the debt and cowering to terrorists. You must apply different standards because reasons and narratives! |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:02:53 PM EDT
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Another thing most seem to forget. The Dems were running the House through his Presidency. If he wanted his policies to go through, he had to make deals. There was a time that was considered a good thing, whether it really was or not.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:03:26 PM EDT
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GD: Where a politician stealing candy from a baby is characterized as: A just application of the might makes right, free market capitalism, and true American constitutional values! OR Part of a secret commie pedophile Islamist subversive plot to collapse the nation by starving our children! All depends on where that politician fits into the GD political narrative... btw, exactly what is it that you thought Obama did right? Just curious. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:04:47 PM EDT
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Why do liberals hate him so much? He killed their mother. As long as the USSR existed, domestic reds had a home to flee to, at least spiritually. The collapse of the soviets drove them insane, and it was that point that MSM/academia/democrats/entertainment turned the dial to 11 and declared war on America. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:05:21 PM EDT
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He believed in small government. 
Reagan deserves credit for many good things. That isn't one of them. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:21:02 PM EDT
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Also bullshit. The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its imperial control of other people’s countries and a strict communist economy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty much what I was wondering. I've even heard that some believe it was the Pope that caused the Soviet demise. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:24:00 PM EDT
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So what modern president was better? Answer: none |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:25:19 PM EDT
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Why not go ask the people in Poland what Regan did, they experienced their neighbors heavy fist first hand, see what they have to say. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:27:01 PM EDT
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Just by taking office, Iran released the hostages for fear of his wrath. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:30:04 PM EDT
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Don't forget him giving California the Democrat vote for the rest of the foreseeable future with the illegal alien amnesty. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:30:27 PM EDT
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Reagan was a good president but he fucked up a lot too, however, some of you worship him with the same fervor as you worship Christ (or Trump). It is pretty pathetic and intellectually dishonest. Deifying Reagan is as bad for us as demonizing Obama. Honest appraisal is best. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:30:43 PM EDT
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I was a kid growing up through the Reagan years so even though I don't know as much about him as other members, I do remember his memorial speech after the space shuttle Challenger explosion. I was in high school when the principal announced over the PA what happened, but when Reagan gave his speech I felt like we were going to be OK, we were going to make it through this. The way he spoke gave us comfort after that horrible tragedy. It was like my grandfather talking to me, his communication made him a great leader and loved by many on both sides of the political aisle.
I'll throw in an interesting tidbit about Reagan. Earlier this year my wife and I went scuba diving in Palau. While we were there we got to talking to some locals about politics. They told us that Reagan was the best president we ever had since he gave them the choice to continue as a US territory or to become their own nation. Some places like Guam voted to stay a US territory but Palau voted for their independence, although it took many years for it to happen. They even adopted our Constitution but later eliminated the 2nd amendment. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:33:40 PM EDT
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Born in ‘89. His successor/VP hated freedom and liked gun control too  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How old are you? I'm not trying to be an ass, but it will give a perspective of where you are coming from. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:34:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:38:10 PM EDT
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Fed gov size 1981 - 1.56mil Fed gov size 1989 - 1.56mil (only counting civilian, not .mil) https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/Chart1-Spending-Per-Capita-vero.png Reagan did not shrink the government. Reagan increased spending though... WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU INCREASE SPENDING AND CUT TAXES??? DEBT GOES UP http://popularlogistics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/gross-fed-debt-over-gdp2.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First of all, your post basically proves that you are a liberal and/or don't understand what Americanism is or Constitutional Conservatism is. Second, Reagan had his faults like all politicians do. However, he is the only president in the last umpteen years that actually fought to reduce the size of government and institute supply-side economics. His tax cuts were the largest in American history. High tide raises all boats. He did have to deal the liberals at the time and made some concessions as needed. Fed gov size 1989 - 1.56mil (only counting civilian, not .mil) https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/Chart1-Spending-Per-Capita-vero.png Reagan did not shrink the government. Reagan increased spending though... WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU INCREASE SPENDING AND CUT TAXES??? DEBT GOES UP http://popularlogistics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/gross-fed-debt-over-gdp2.jpg |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:46:41 PM EDT
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Pretty low standards. By that measure he was Thomas Jefferson. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what modern president was better? Answer: none |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:48:44 PM EDT
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Because Carter.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:48:56 PM EDT
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Troll from DU
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:51:28 PM EDT
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You're right OP, you will never understand.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:52:02 PM EDT
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Kids.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:53:02 PM EDT
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Lol GTFO
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:56:06 PM EDT
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If you can name me one perfect person, let alone a politician, I'll concede your points. Did Reagan have some flaws? Sure, who doesn't. We've been cursed with this belief that we could compromise with the (whatever name you want to give those working to destroy this country), and that eventually he would be successful. He traded some things, to get things he thought were important to the country. Some of those trades may have been worth it, some not so much. Out of curiosity OP, did you live through that time? I ask because he was a large part of the change and optimism that American went through during the 80s. Going from Vietnam into the 70s had left this country in a shitty mood for the most part. I would hate to think how things may have turned out with him being President. ETA: I see you answered the age question. I don't know if I can properly explain how much he benefited this country in the long run. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:58:22 PM EDT
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No kidding, I can't fathom why so many conservatives sing the praises of Supply Side Economics.....which was a complete sham in that context, and its love of deficit spending put it more in common with Keynesian Economics. Don't get me wrong, I love Reagan, and think he did wonders for the US after the malaise and turmoil of the late 60's and 70's, but their is nothing conservative (or shouldn't be) about fiscal irresponsibility....which is now practiced by the both the left and right with the failed orthodoxies they now cling to. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:01:20 PM EDT
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Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but: -He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR -He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists -He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members -He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office So why do conservatives love him so much? Why do liberals hate him so much? |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:02:00 PM EDT
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Anyone else remember having to sign for ammo when you bought it?
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:02:42 PM EDT
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It's all a matter of who else there was out there to compare him to....
Take Jimmy Carter....please.... |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:02:58 PM EDT
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Reagan wasn’t perfect.
Perfect only exists in the minds of retards and idiots. Reagan wasn’t perfect. Not in a million years. We were lucky to have Reagan. He loved America, he believed in America, and he was a conservative. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:04:41 PM EDT
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Reagan gave us the B-1B.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:06:13 PM EDT
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He wasn't perfect, but it did reverse what Carter did and more.
Trump isn't perfect, but he is doing a good job reversing Obama. In this fucked up non perfect world that is about a good as we can hope for. Unless I become dictator. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:07:11 PM EDT
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Lots of people with opinions who didn't live through the Carter administration commenting here and talking out of their ass.
If you didn't live brought those times you might not understand. Much like Trump, Reagan made it okay to be patriotic again. The feeling of the country turned around on a dime once Reagan was in office. 444 days of getting our nuts kicked in with the Iranian hostages on tv every night ended when he took office, and it only got better from there. Was he perfect? Nope. Name one president that is or ever will be. But you can bet your ass a large part of the country was and still is thankful we did not get another 4 years of Carter. He changed the world in positive ways very few Presidents do. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:07:48 PM EDT
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Reagan gave us the B-1B. The youngsters don't have a clue WHY Reagan spent what he spent and they don't have a clue just how much crap was used day to day in all the military branches. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:07:51 PM EDT
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Getting a bit extreme here aren't we? btw, exactly what is it that you thought Obama did right? Just curious. But to hear GD tell it, he was a Muslim Kenyan and LITERALLY worst president in the history of the country, unless you are related to a confederate Veteran in which case Lincoln was slightly worse (even though it was Pierce, Buchanan and Andrew Johnson that really fucked the South over). The way I see it, apart from everyone neckbearding shit like crazy due to ODS, my gun rights didn't suffer due to Obama... he seemed pretty intent on ignoring the gun control issue because he understood it would lose his team elections. That doesn't make him a good president, but it certainly keeps him off the very bottom of the list. I just get tired of how worked up our media gets GD with its incredibly short term memory that is happy to sacrifice historical accuracy for narrative bias. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:13:02 PM EDT
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What did Obama do right? I can't name that off the top of my head. But to hear GD tell hit, he was literally a Muslim Kenyan and the worst president in the history of the country, unless you are related to a confederate Veteran in which case Lincoln was worse. The way I see it, apart from everyone neckbearding shit like crazy due to ODS, my gun rights didn't suffer due to Obama... he seemed pretty intent on ignoring the gun control issue because he understood it would lose his team elections. Now hush, adults are talking. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:13:45 PM EDT
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If you can name me one perfect person, let alone a politician, I'll concede your points. Did Reagan have some flaws? Sure, who doesn't. We've been cursed with this belief that we could compromise with the (whatever name you want to give those working to destroy this country), and that eventually he would be successful. He traded some things, to get things he thought were important to the country. Some of those trades may have been worth it, some not so much. Out of curiosity OP, did you live through that time? I ask because he was a large part of the change and optimism that American went through during the 80s. Going from Vietnam into the 70s had left this country in a shitty mood for the most part. I would hate to think how things may have turned out with him being President. ETA: I see you answered the age question. I don't know if I can properly explain how much he benefited this country in the long run. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:14:57 PM EDT
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Born in ‘89. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:16:13 PM EDT
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If he had been just a bit smarter, he would have done it immediately right after he was elected and all three branches were held by the "D".s. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:17:28 PM EDT
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This. I'd love Reagan for nothing more than not being the milksop that Carter was. For calling a spade a spade when it came to the evil empire. Reagan was easily the best president since Eisenhower. Reagan, Kennedy (who I don't like that much apart from his handling of the CMC), and Eisenhower could have had a contest over who hated commies more. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:19:17 PM EDT
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It did good things, sure. So why did we compromise on our rights? |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:21:01 PM EDT
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He wasn't Carter, that in itself was enough; had to be around back then to understand.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:22:06 PM EDT
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30 year mortgage rates 14.8% when he took office 10.7% when he left office Improved but not as much as the debt:GDP doubling |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:23:47 PM EDT
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Anyone else remember having to sign for ammo when you bought it? |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:25:50 PM EDT
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Soon after taking office in 1981, Reagan signed into law one of the largest tax cuts in the postwar period. That legislation, phased in over three years, pushed through a 23% across-the-board cut of individual income tax rates.It also called for tax brackets, the standard deduction and personal exemptions to be adjusted for inflation starting in 1984. In 1986, Reagan lowered individual income tax rates again. As a result of the 1981 and 1986 bills, the top income tax rate was slashed from 70% to 28%.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:26:05 PM EDT
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I know you weren't alive, but back then you could make a good rate of return on a passbook savings account and actually build wealth with little risk. Reaganomics worked very well for a lot of families, mine included. But please continue to to educate me on a period of history you weren't even alive for Great interest rates... 6-7% you think so? And the interest rates were high because they had to be to keep up with inflation, which did decrease during Regan's tenure... coming down from 70s stagflation. You weren't really getting a great rate of return. If you actually understood economics, you'd understand that and why Reaganomics was anything but conservative! Do you remember Black Friday and the S&L crisis? Keep eating your Memberberries... |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:37:06 PM EDT
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Generally when I want to be taken seriously and not for a foolish retard, I pop into threads and tell people who lived a certain time period when I was not even alive how things went down. There are just not enough of these  for this thread.
We are currently experiencing a period similar in nature to 1980. We just came off 8 years of losing and morale has been crazy low with social chaos. And boom, in comes a leader with intangibles that changes the mood of the country. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:44:47 PM EDT
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You don't know shit. I was alive you presumptive fool. Great interest rates... 6-7% you think so? And the interest rates were high because they had to be to keep up with inflation, which did decrease during Regan's tenure... coming down from 70s stagflation. You weren't really getting a great rate of return. If you actually understood economics, you'd understand that and why Reaganomics was anything but conservative! Do you remember Black Friday and the S&L crisis? Keep eating your Memberberries... and interest rates were around 14% in 82. Not posting my statements, but I had better than that but whatever, believe what you will. I'm ejecting from this thread. I don't have enough bourbon on hand to cope with the stupidity in this thread |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:47:40 PM EDT
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First of all, your post basically proves that you are a liberal and/or don't understand what Americanism is or Constitutional Conservatism is. Second, Reagan had his faults like all politicians do. However, he is the only president in the last umpteen years that actually fought to reduce the size of government and institute supply-side economics. His tax cuts were the largest in American history. High tide raises all boats. He did have to deal the liberals at the time and made some concessions as needed. |
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