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Posted: 2/24/2024 10:42:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The lander was supposed to land at about 1 MPH vertical speed and no lateral motion....straight down. Their best guess now is that it contacted the moon at 6 MPH vertical speed and 2 MPH lateral speed and that a leg/circular landing pad caught something causing it to tip over. Some.....THING! |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 11:09:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The laser range finders (LIDAR?) have a physical safety switch that was not deactivated on the ground prior to launch. Thus that system was not operable when it was needed and that is why they had to use the NASA LIDAR. Things like this will be unfortunate set backs with the new start ups full of inexperienced people. Stumbling over lessons learned a long time ago. Stupid "old space" programs had/have logs for tracking out of flight configurations and installations. This is something that would be in the log that would be reviewed and caught well before FRR. Even space x has a program for this. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 11:50:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The landing wasn’t the success they hoped for, but it was still a soft landing. The miracle on the Hudson wasn’t an ideal landing, either, but I think we’d all agree that something good came of it. Sure, the lander is on its side, but that doesn’t mean it can’t carry out some missions and provide useful data. Space flight is hard. It’s even harder when you have no reference frame, like WGS84 here on earth, to work with. "Soft landing" is just a woke term to claim success when they failed...just like SLIM. Had any of the Apollo landers tipped over that would have been a failure since they could not return to the command module. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 11:52:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since it still has gas in the tanks and comms, why not fire up the RCS thrusters that are pointing at the surface and stand that bitch back up ??? If it blows up, well it just blows up. Nothing to lose if it does. Correct if the relevant thrusters have the power to right the lander. I doubt that they do. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 11:55:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct if the relevant thrusters have the power to right the lander. I doubt that they do. 1/6 gravity would be a bonus in that situation. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 12:01:00 PM EDT
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With all that tinfoil and amazon boxes, who would've guessed that the "rover" wouldn't have made it? LMAO!!
I bet Reynold's Wrap doesn't do real well in the vacuum of space. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 2:44:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct if the relevant thrusters have the power to right the lander. I doubt that they do. Clearly these people never played KSP... |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 3:55:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Soft landing" is just a woke term to claim success when they failed...just like SLIM. Had any of the Apollo landers tipped over that would have been a failure since they could not return to the command module. But… That’s an inapt comparison to use here. Neither this mission nor the SLIM mission involved liftoff from the Moon’s surface in order for the mission’s objectives to be realized. I’d imagine that each of those missions’ success criteria would have been itemized in a checklist (oops, sorry about that  - too soon?) against which the success or failure of each such goal could be scored and assessed.Nothing ‘woke’ about that at all. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 4:21:17 PM EDT
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Hank Johnson was piloting it. Tipped over.
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Posted: 2/24/2024 5:17:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But… That’s an inapt comparison to use here. Neither this mission nor the SLIM mission involved liftoff from the Moon’s surface in order for the mission’s objectives to be realized. I’d imagine that each of those missions’ success criteria would have been itemized in a checklist (oops, sorry about that - too soon?) against which the success or failure of each such goal could be scored and assessed.Nothing ‘woke’ about that at all. If you do not land as designed then it is a failure. Their website is sorely lacking in updates. If Chokey had not linked the press conference I would not have known multiple important facts. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 6:54:50 PM EDT
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Wtf. I thought I was being pranked but you can see them in the second set of pics. It had balls on the side, an art work piece with names like Rosa parks and Malcolm x written in them.
Wouldn’t surprise me if this DEI art work unbalanced the fucking thing  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 8:19:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2024 8:24:52 PM EDT
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Kamala approves
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Posted: 2/25/2024 4:56:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean it's really cool and all but didn't we land on the moon more than 50 years ago? Not sure what the big deal would be anymore. Thing is, everybody that has tried since then has suffered some mishap or failure. Several nations had things go wrong. When are we just going to admit the moon doesn't exist? "It seems much easier to explain the nonexistence of the moon than its existence." -- Dr. Robin Brett, NASA Scientist “The best possible explanation for the Moon is observational error – the Moon doesn’t exist.’ "The Moon is bigger than it should be, apparently older than it should be and much lighter in mass than it should be. It occupies an unlikely orbit and is so extraordinary that all existing explanations for its presence are fraught with difficulties are none of them could be considered remotely watertight." -- Irwin Shapiro, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics "The Moon has astonishing synchronicity with the Sun. When the Sun is at its lowest and weakest in mid-winter, the Moon is at its highest and brightest, and the reverse occurs in mid-summer. Both set at the same point on the horizon at the equinoxes and at the opposite point at the solstices. What are the chances that the Moon would naturally find an orbit so perfect that it would cover the Sun at an eclipse and appear from Earth to be the same size? What are chances that the alignments would be so perfect at the equinoxes and solstices? " -- Christopher Knight and Alan Bulter |
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Posted: 2/25/2024 9:01:43 PM EDT
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"NASA News Conference on Intuitive Machines' First Lunar Landing
Intuitive Machines' IM-1 mission made history on Feb. 22, with the first successful Moon landing by a company. This televised news conference will discuss details of Odysseus' landing as part of NASA's CLPS (Commercial Lunar Payload Services) initiative and Artemis campaign. Participants from NASA and Intuitive Machines will discuss next steps for NASA science instruments aboard, as well as details of the landing, which made last-minute use of NASA’s precision landing technology demonstration, NDL, or Navigation Doppler Lidar. " It was a failed landing. |
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Posted: 2/26/2024 3:21:05 PM EDT
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Intuitive Machines expects early end to IM-1 lunar lander mission
 An image from NASA’s Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter shows the landing site of the Intuitive Machines IM-1 mission, highlighted by an arrow, in the center of the image. The lander touched down about 1.5 kilometers from its planned landing site. Credit: NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University Intuitive Machines said Feb. 26 it expects to communicate with its Odysseus lunar lander, tipped on its side on the lunar surface, for only one more day, a much shorter timeline than previously expected. In an update posted Feb. 26, the first since a Feb. 23 briefing where the company revealed the Nova-C lander likely tipped over while landing the previous day, the company released a low-resolution image taken by the spacecraft after landing. The image showed part of the lander and the shadow it cast on the surface, but few other details about the health and status of the lander. The company also released an image taken during the lander’s descent. The company said the lander “continues to communicate with flight controllers” but did not disclose how much data that the spacecraft has returned beyond those images. At the Feb. 23 briefing, Intuitive Machines executives said they were working to reconfigure antennas to increase downlink rates but did not estimate what sort of data rates they expected. “Flight controllers intend to collect data until the lander’s solar panels are no longer exposed to light. Based on Earth and Moon positioning, we believe flight controllers will continue to communicate with Odysseus until Tuesday morning,” or Feb. 27, the company stated. However, that site may have complicated the landing. The landing site is described by NASA as a “degraded” crater about one kilometer across. The slope of the landing site is a relatively steep 12 degrees, which Mark Robinson, principal investigator for the LRO camera, described as “sporty” in a post about the images." |
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Posted: 2/26/2024 4:53:01 PM EDT
[#17]
I heard teenage lizard people came by and kicked it over.
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Posted: 2/26/2024 5:19:58 PM EDT
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So Americans walked on the moon 54 years ago an now multiple countries can't land anything upright? Why wouldn't they have an external structure shaped with panels like a soccer ball and a cube in the middle with cameras and antennas on all sides. If it tips or rolls on landing any side facing up would still be functional. David
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:11:42 AM EDT
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Lunar Surface Day Five Update
Flight Controllers continue to communicate with Odysseus. This morning, Odysseus efficiently sent payload science data and imagery in furtherance of the Company’s mission objectives. Flight controllers are working on final determination of battery life on the lander, which may continue up to an additional 10-20 hours. The images included here are the closest observations of any spaceflight mission to the south pole region of the Moon. Odysseus is quite the photographer, capturing this image approximately 30 meters above the lunar surface while his main engine throttled down more than 24,000 mph. Another day of exploration on the south pole region of the Moon. 2/27/24 0845 CST |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 8:17:04 PM EDT
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NASA, Intuitive Machines to Discuss Moon Mission, Science Successes
Intuitive Machines will participate in a news conference with NASA at the Johnson Space Center in Houston on February 28, 2024 at 2:00 pm ET to discuss the Company’s historic lunar mission. The IM-1 Mission to the Moon is the Company’s first of three missions with NASA carrying six of the agency’s science instruments to the South Pole region of the Moon as part of NASA’s Commercial Lunar Payload Services (CLPS) initiative, and Artemis campaign. The news conference will air on NASA+, and NASA Television Participants in the news conference include: - Steve Altemus, Chief Executive Officer and co-founder, Intuitive Machines - Tim Crain, Chief Technology Officer and co-founder, Intuitive Machines - Joel Kearns, Deputy Associate Administrator, Exploration, Science Mission Directorate, NASA Headquarters in Washington - Sue Lederer, CLPS project scientist, NASA Johnson 2/27/24 1615 CST |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 1:31:30 PM EDT
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Lunar Surface Day Six Update
Odysseus continues to generate solar power on the Moon, allowing flight controllers to continue gathering data from the south pole region in furtherance of the IM-1 Mission objectives. Flight controllers are analyzing new solar charging data and using the additional time to maximize tasks that further future exploration. Intuitive Machines will participate in a news conference with NASA at the Johnson Space Center in Houston on February 28, 2024, at 2:00 pm ET to discuss the Company’s historic lunar mission. NASA TV link |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 3:34:36 PM EDT
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Lander on the moon after tilting from vertical
 Engine still firing at point of touchdown with some parts of one leg (to left) broken.  |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 3:39:12 PM EDT
[#23]
Landing gear needs a bit of beefing up.
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Posted: 2/28/2024 4:02:24 PM EDT
[#24]
Looks like it actually was a successful mission
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Posted: 2/28/2024 4:05:38 PM EDT
[#25]
Why make a lander that's super top heavy and with spindly little legs?
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Posted: 2/28/2024 4:06:19 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like it actually was a successful mission Seems it was since they get paid either way. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 4:09:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why make a lander that's super top heavy and with spindly little legs? |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 4:10:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems it was since they get paid either way. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 4:39:17 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Landing gear needs a bit of beefing up. Having a stronger landing system can mitigate issues from failed systems (Laser ranging system). Perhaps more legs although I thought the loss of one leg of six would not end up with it tipping over. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 4:40:52 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like it actually was a successful mission From getting data it appears to be largely successful but it was not a successful landing. The "soft landing" criteria is bogus and needs to go away. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 4:43:55 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Having a stronger landing system can mitigate issues from failed systems (Laser ranging system). Perhaps more legs although I thought the loss of one leg of six would not end up with it tipping over. Or a lower CoG. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 5:05:20 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Having a stronger landing system can mitigate issues from failed systems (Laser ranging system). Perhaps more legs although I thought the loss of one leg of six would not end up with it tipping over. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Landing gear needs a bit of beefing up. Having a stronger landing system can mitigate issues from failed systems (Laser ranging system). Perhaps more legs although I thought the loss of one leg of six would not end up with it tipping over. They said one, possibly two legs broke. Adding more legs or beefing them up adds mass and means more fuel leaving less for payloads. They had a second altitude source via the nasa payload, but due to a programming error (he said literally hard coding a 1 vs a 0 would have fixed it), it wasn't used during the descent and they landed using only optical data and the ship thought it was still 150m above the moon when it first contacted the surface. They were really fortunate the engine wasn't castostophicly damaged dragging the nozzle across the ground and that it was able to stabilize the ship after the leg(s) broke before shuting down. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 5:15:24 PM EDT
[#33]
The Eagle cam was ejected but for some reason it appears to be not working.
The lander will be put into "sleep" mode by about 800 PM EST on 28 February 2024. They will attempt to wake it up in 2-3 weeks....around solar noon for that location. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 5:57:03 PM EDT
[#34]
Below is one artist conception of a manned HLS lunar lander. I have seen another where the legs seem to just extend down from the lander and not out.
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Posted: 2/28/2024 6:10:52 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They said one, possibly two legs broke. Adding more legs or beefing them up adds mass and means more fuel leaving less for payloads. They had a second altitude source via the nasa payload, but due to a programming error (he said literally hard coding a 1 vs a 0 would have fixed it), it wasn't used during the descent and they landed using only optical data and the ship thought it was still 150m above the moon when it first contacted the surface. They were really fortunate the engine wasn't castostophicly damaged dragging the nozzle across the ground and that it was able to stabilize the ship after the leg(s) broke before shuting down. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Landing gear needs a bit of beefing up. Having a stronger landing system can mitigate issues from failed systems (Laser ranging system). Perhaps more legs although I thought the loss of one leg of six would not end up with it tipping over. They said one, possibly two legs broke. Adding more legs or beefing them up adds mass and means more fuel leaving less for payloads. They had a second altitude source via the nasa payload, but due to a programming error (he said literally hard coding a 1 vs a 0 would have fixed it), it wasn't used during the descent and they landed using only optical data and the ship thought it was still 150m above the moon when it first contacted the surface. They were really fortunate the engine wasn't castostophicly damaged dragging the nozzle across the ground and that it was able to stabilize the ship after the leg(s) broke before shuting down. How about giant mylar balloons that can inflate to correct it if within 175° of vertical landing which then roll the lander upright to the legs and deflate or be released to blow away (causes own problems), cost - small amount of liquid nitrogen and a pump which could have more than one purpose so just a valve to swap pump from inflate to deflate. Seems they had that idea but didn't think there would be motion, and you'd think with all the gyro/IMU developments and lidar location/velocity correction with drones, landing with ?0 x/y to surface shouldn't be an issue. They should have known from the start it would be entirely automated and it seems they made one assumption too many. What if something on the moon isn't a net zero force where they decided to land? |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 6:35:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From getting data it appears to be largely successful but it was not a successful landing. The "soft landing" criteria is bogus and needs to go away. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 6:37:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Below is one artist conception of a manned HLS lunar lander. I have seen another where the legs seem to just extend down from the lander and not out. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/2021_Artemis_Banner_-_HLS_Starship_%28936168596045%29.pdf/page1-390px-2021_Artemis_Banner_-_HLS_Starship_%28936168596045%29.pdf.jpg |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 10:43:28 PM EDT
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NASA, Intuitive Machines Press Conference Image Release
The IM-1 Mission successfully landed the first spacecraft on the Moon’s south pole region, marking the United States’ first return since Apollo 17 and the first commercial lunar lander to transmit valuable science data of each NASA payload from the lunar surface. In addition, the operation of the Company’s liquid methane and liquid oxygen propulsion system in deep space is flight-proven through successful mission operations. Intuitive Machines achieved these marquee accomplishments in the company’s first attempt to land on the Moon. The photos included provide some of the first photos of Odyssesus landing on the Moon. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 11:51:32 AM EDT
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Lunar Surface Day Seven Update
Still kicking. Odysseus continues to operate on the lunar surface. At approximately 11:00 am CST, flight controllers intend to downlink additional data, and command Odie into a configuration that he may phone home if and when he wakes up when the sun rises again. 2/29/24 0920 CST |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 9:23:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/29/2024 9:35:07 PM EDT
[#41]
The lander broke a strut on at least one leg. Probably due to side load on the leg from the horizontal translation. It ain't getting up.
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Posted: 2/29/2024 9:55:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHifFAyWwAAe0It?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Brought to you by Columbia Sportswear? 
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Posted: 3/1/2024 2:21:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Brought to you by Columbia Sportswear? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHifFAyWwAAe0It?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Brought to you by Columbia Sportswear? And Carl's Junior. Don't forget to say that whenever you can. That movie was prophetic. |
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Posted: 3/2/2024 2:05:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why make a lander that's super top heavy and with spindly little legs? Landing gear legs are an unfortunate necessity that means compromises. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:00:00 PM EDT
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Intuitive Machines' private Odysseus moon lander has 'permanently faded' on lunar surface as historic mission ends
"Odie has permanently faded after cementing its legacy into history as the first commercial lunar lander to land on the moon." The first successful private moon-landing mission is officially over. On Feb. 22, Intuitive Machines' Odysseus spacecraft, affectionately known as Odie, touched down near the lunar south pole, becoming the first commercial vehicle ever to ace a moon landing. The solar-powered Odie operated on the lunar surface for seven Earth days, then went silent after the sun went down at its landing site. This was the expected length of the lander's surface mission, but Intuitive Machines held out some hope that Odie would wake up when sunlight bathed its solar arrays once more. After all, Japan's SLIM moon lander bounced back from its lunar slumber late last month. Over the weekend, however, we learned that Odie's eyes will remain closed for good. "Intuitive Machines started listening for Odie's wake-up signal on March 20, when we projected enough sunlight would potentially charge the lander's power system and turn on its radio," the Houston-based company said in a post on X on Saturday (March 23). "As of March 23rd at 1030 A.M. Central Standard Time, flight controllers decided their projections were correct, and Odie's power system would not complete another call home. This confirms that Odie has permanently faded after cementing its legacy into history as the first commercial lunar lander to land on the moon," Intuitive Machines added in another Saturday post. |
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