[ARCHIVED THREAD] - INEOS Grenadier (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/13/2025 11:51:53 PM EDT
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Intrusive thoughts won out last week. I’ve got a big big trip planned for next June, so at a bare minimum I’m going to need to carry extra fuel for that. It will also be serving as the camping/adventure rig, so I’ll be looking to outfit it for that purpose as well. About the vehicle: INEOS Grenadier Trialmaster, has front and rear lockers, electrical package (additional battery and more aux power plugs than I’d know what to do with) Short term: I have a Fox ATS steering stabilizer coming on Friday. It likes to wander a bit more with the off-road tires than the “normal” truck tires that were on a demo I test drove. Supposed to help with that. Attached File |
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Quoted: Nice!  I see those occasionally around the Austin area. They look great. Can you post some more pics, like interior & engine bay? Thanks! I’ll get some pics tomorrow and post them up. The steering stabilizer is supposed to show up tomorrow, so I’ll be over at the garage monkeying with it. |
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Quoted: Thanks! I’ll get some pics tomorrow and post them up. The steering stabilizer is supposed to show up tomorrow, so I’ll be over at the garage monkeying with it. I’m looking forward to more pics. I’ve been drooling over these since the announcement a couple years ago, and always thought they were beautiful. (Un)fortunately, I’ll never be able to afford one, so I’m quite content living vicariously through someone else’s ownership. Waaaaaaay back in the back of my head, I’m envisioning an unreliable, difficult to find parts for, electrical nightmare, just do the relatively small number  that are being made.
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Quoted: Waaaaaaay back in the back of my head, I’m envisioning an unreliable, difficult to find parts for, electrical nightmare, just do the relatively small number that are being made.It’s possible, for sure, but due to their pretty utilitarian nature, everything mechanical is heavy duty, and I doubt much is truly proprietary, and at the end of the day everything is just a car. Parts cross-reference, and the aftermarket is coming after these pretty hard as a new market. |
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Engine bay has an alternate position for the hood support that holds it WAY the heck open… Attached File BMW B58 motor. Being all the toonerboyz are cranking these up in the 700+hp range, it should be pretty much bulletproof at 285 or whatever these are. Attached File |
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Quoted: Congrats that’s awesome. They opened up a dealership by me, I’d love to get one. They’re all $85k and up, I just want bare bones steel wheel and lockers. Looking forward to your updates! Thanks. They’re running some pretty good incentives in August (at least this dealer) like 10% off MSRP, plus another $2k for being a Costco member. I was not averse to the steelies they have, my criteria were leather (easier cleanup than cloth) and the front & rear lockers. Could have done without the safari glass panels, but they were there. Cool that it has the dust snorkel, will be doing a lot of gravel miles next June. |
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Quoted: Engine bay has an alternate position for the hood support that holds it WAY the heck open https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122080/IMG_2825_jpeg-3608022.JPG BMW B58 motor. Being all the toonerboyz are cranking these up in the 700+hp range, it should be pretty much bulletproof at 285 or whatever these are. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122080/IMG_2826_jpeg-3608023.JPG Wow why is it detuned so much? Only 332 ftlbs of torque? How heavy is that thing? How is it driving? Does it feel severely underpowered? |
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Thats a cool SUV! A few of the companies doing aftermarket stuff for Sprinters and Transits have also started products for Grenadiers: https://agileoffroad.com/ineos-grenadier/ https://owlvans.com/collections/ineos-grenadier-accessories |
| A review from a guy on one of the forums I frequent who I don't believe is a paid influencer http://3rj.org/Grenadier/index.htm. Kind of want but then it's LandCruiser/equivalent Lexus money, and when I convert the price to days at work, it helps suppress the impulse. |
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Quoted: Congrats! I hope it serves you well on your adventures! Wow why is it detuned so much? Only 332 ftlbs of torque? How heavy is that thing? How is it driving? Does it feel severely underpowered? It does not feel underpowered, but my expectations aren’t high for that because it’s not a on-road performance vehicle. Merges onto the freeway just fine. Gearing all feels appropriate. My best guess for their tuning is for off-roading suitability. The mechanical forces generated crawling in 4-low would be pretty crazy with 350-400-500+ hp. First thing my kid said was “downpipe and tune” and I said “uh, no.” LOL |
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Quoted: Thats a cool SUV! A few of the companies doing aftermarket stuff for Sprinters and Transits have also started products for Grenadiers: https://agileoffroad.com/ineos-grenadier/ https://owlvans.com/collections/ineos-grenadier-accessories I ordered my stabilizer from Agile. I have a feeling they’re going to end up with a lot of my money between now and next spring. |
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Quoted: Cool! I like the all business nature of the center stack and switchgear. I'm curious about the instrument panel as it looks really small. Is there more to it? Startup with the whole Christmas tree right away after turning key: Attached File Center display, in off-road mode. It’s picking up the slight downhill at end of my street and crown of the road, pretty cool. Attached File |
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Quoted: You should start a YouTube channel for it. Most of the videos out there are just reviews. Not many actual owners post too much. What’s your thoughts on the steering? The steering doesn’t bug me, I’m already used to it. I’m sure people who expect it should drive like their Lexus would lose their mind. It does wander a bit. I’ll curious to see what impact the steering stabilizer does. I also want to do my due diligence on what PSI the off-road tires should be at. I was gonna install it right away, but I’m gonna let my son do it when he gets back in town tonight. Re: YouTube, I suck at any kind of long form video stuff, no real editing skills, and no time or inclination to learn them. If anything, I could probably try to do some more useful Instagram reels, I think they can go a couple minutes now. |
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Quoted: Just saw one of these in the wild the other day. Is it a one off company? My first thoughts were, “The French are getting into the SUV market?.” Good looking vehicle. Has a certain Mercedes/Land Rover serious off road look to it. Cliff notes: British company, German engineering, French assembly. INEOS is a $20 billion/yr chemical company, founder loved the old Defenders. Land Rover discontinued, he tried to buy the tooling/rights to continue the old, they said no, he said f you, I’ll build my own version. And here we are.
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Quoted: It does not feel underpowered, but my expectations aren't high for that because it's not a on-road performance vehicle. Merges onto the freeway just fine. Gearing all feels appropriate. My best guess for their tuning is for off-roading suitability. The mechanical forces generated crawling in 4-low would be pretty crazy with 350-400-500+ hp. First thing my kid said was "downpipe and tune" and I said "uh, no." LOL Yeah since asking that I started watching some videos and that's it exactly, they detuned it for offroad reliability. I'm glad to hear it otherwise is fine on road. To your point about not being an on road performance vehicle, it's also not intended to be a luxury vehicle, etc. A lot of the influences decry the lack of luxuries like power seats and adaptive cruise control without realizing that all of those sorts of things would defeat the purpose of this truck. It is meant to be "old school" to the extent possible in today's market. I hate "influencer" videos.
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Quoted: Yeah since asking that I started watching some videos and that's it exactly, they detuned it for offroad reliability. I'm glad to hear it otherwise is fine on road. To your point about not being an on road performance vehicle, it's also not intended to be a luxury vehicle, etc. A lot of the influences decry the lack of luxuries like power seats and adaptive cruise control without realizing that all of those sorts of things would defeat the purpose of this truck. It is meant to be "old school" to the extent possible in today's market. I hate "influencer" videos. A friend of mine said “I want to get something like that for my wife.” I can’t imagine. He wants the new LR Defender, not the reimagined old Defenders. Some soccer mom going from a Lexus to this would not be happy. Me? Happier than a pig in shit.
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Quoted: What are the towing capacity and tongue weight? Did you notice anything that would interfere with carrying a dirt bike on a hitch mount? I believe towing capacity is like 7500lbs. Not sure on tongue weight. I imagine you might want to do some upgraded rear springs if you were gonna have several hundred pounds levered off the back. I’ve heard references on YouTube about guys upgrading springs for the added weight after doing their drawer systems and camp kitchens, etc. |
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This is literally my dream vehicle I live on top a mountain in the ozark’s and have to off-road if l leave my property. We have low water bridges and all kinds of cool stuff. It would be a useful daily for me. There is a Used one in a town and hour away in green with white top. I had to stop and look at it yesterday. Had snorkel and steelies Just out of my budget My driveway Attached File |
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Quoted: This is literally my dream vehicle I live on top a mountain in the ozark’s and have to off-road if l leave my property. We have low water bridges and all kinds of cool stuff. It would be a useful daily for me. There is a Used one in a town and hour away in green with white top. I had to stop and look at it yesterday. Had snorkel and steelies Just out of my budget My driveway https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65995/269248DD-7FA5-4A88-BA56-ADC3A2E07CD6_jpe-3609863.JPG That’s an awesome view! I’m probably going to wrap my roof white (or slightly off white, I like that contrast look, and it would have to help reflect some heat in the summer. |
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Quoted: Startup with the whole Christmas tree right away after turning key: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122080/IMG_2833_jpeg-3609172.JPG Center display, in off-road mode. It’s picking up the slight downhill at end of my street and crown of the road, pretty cool. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122080/IMG_2835_jpeg-3609177.JPG Interesting. I've never been in a vehicle that didn't have most instruments front and center. Do you find it distracting? |
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Quoted: Interesting. I've never been in a vehicle that didn't have most instruments front and center. Do you find it distracting? Not really, it was weird at first, but got used to it in about 20 miles. I drive a variety of different vehicles on a regular basis, so I’m maybe a bit inoculated against differences being annoying. Everything has stuff in different places, so it’s no big deal for me. |
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Nice rig. Seriously.....very nice. FWIW......if you're getting some steering wander, maybe have a highly regarded alignment shop check out the current caster settings using the laser system. Example....  " />On solid front axle vehicles (like 4 door Jeep Wranglers/Gladiator for example) the caster needs to be on the positive side with a very slight toe-in to help keep it tracking straight. The steering stabilizer will help in controlling the slight wandering, but bigger tires and the larger amount of tire weight that goes with it will accentuate even the slightest alignment problem. If the caster goes even a little on the negative side (like with a small front lift kit) the control arms are running at a steeper angle, and that causes negative caster. The aftermarket solution is using adjustable control arms or inserting adjustable bushings that will allow the caster to be changed. My personal example....I have a Jeep Gladiator, and they come from the factory a little ass high. Installed a 1.5 taller spring in the front to level it. This required the adjustable bushings in the front control arms to get the solid axle caster back to perfect. I also went with a Fox steering stabilizer, and an adjustable track bar to get the axle back to the factory position. Solved about 95% of my wandering issues....but 35x12.5 load range "E" 10ply tires are heavy and wide, and do influence the steering very slightly above 50 mph. I will get a lighter 35x11.5 "C" range 3ply tire in the future. At this point....I would recommend that you just get the measurements to see where you are at with the numbers.....it may be as simple as having the shop get you some adjustable bushings and install them into the control arms to get that caster on the positive side of the measurement. Here's a simple diagram that explains caster angle....  AI explanation..... "Positive caster on a solid front axle refers to tilting the steering axis (kingpins) towards the rear of the vehicle. This design promotes straight-line stability, self-centering steering, and improved handling, particularly at higher speeds. It's a common feature in vehicles with solid front axles, including many four-wheel-drive trucks, and is crucial for preventing speed wobbles and ensuring proper steering response. " |
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Quoted: Nice rig. Seriously.....very nice. FWIW......if you're getting some steering wander, maybe have a highly regarded alignment shop check out the current caster settings using the laser system. Example.... https://vikingequip.com/wp-content/uploads/Hunter-Hawkeye-Alignment.jpg" target="_blank">https://vikingequip.com/wp-content/uploads/Hunter-Hawkeye-Alignment.jpg On solid front axle vehicles (like 4 door Jeep Wranglers/Gladiator for example) the caster needs to be on the positive side with a very slight toe-in to help keep it tracking straight. The steering stabilizer will help in controlling the slight wandering, but bigger tires and the larger amount of tire weight that goes with it will accentuate even the slightest alignment problem. If the caster goes even a little on the negative side (like with a small front lift kit) the control arms are running at a steeper angle, and that causes negative caster. The aftermarket solution is using adjustable control arms or inserting adjustable bushings that will allow the caster to be changed. My personal example....I have a Jeep Gladiator, and they come from the factory a little ass high. Installed a 1.5 taller spring in the front to level it. This required the adjustable bushings in the front control arms to get the solid axle caster back to perfect. I also went with a Fox steering stabilizer, and an adjustable track bar to get the axle back to the factory position. Solved about 95% of my wandering issues....but 35x12.5 load range "E" 10ply tires are heavy and wide, and do influence the steering very slightly above 50 mph. I will get a lighter 35x11.5 "C" range 3ply tire in the future. At this point....I would recommend that you just get the measurements to see where you are at with the numbers.....it may be as simple as having the shop get you some adjustable bushings and install them into the control arms to get that caster on the positive side of the measurement. Here's a simple diagram that explains caster angle.... https://fulcrumsuspensions.com.au/media/wysiwyg/Negative_Neutral_and_Positive_Caster_Diagram.png AI explanation..... "Positive caster on a solid front axle refers to tilting the steering axis (kingpins) towards the rear of the vehicle. This design promotes straight-line stability, self-centering steering, and improved handling, particularly at higher speeds. It's a common feature in vehicles with solid front axles, including many four-wheel-drive trucks, and is crucial for preventing speed wobbles and ensuring proper steering response. " Good info. I found a video from the Owl off-road guy, and he said they basically have zero caster. He maxed out the eccentric bolt adjustment and was able to get 1.9 degrees, said it made a big improvement. I’ll take a look at that when I get it back from PPF tomorrow. |
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Quoted: Where are you going to mount the CB? Midland 575’s with the handset controls in the trunk of my M4, behind passenger seat of my spaceship, will probably mount under backseat by all the electrical in this. I’m looking forward to actually having someplace to hang it vs sitting in my lap or cup holder. 
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Quoted: That’s an awesome view! I’m probably going to wrap my roof white (or slightly off white, I like that contrast look, and it would have to help reflect some heat in the summer. Quoted: Quoted: This is literally my dream vehicle I live on top a mountain in the ozark’s and have to off-road if l leave my property. We have low water bridges and all kinds of cool stuff. It would be a useful daily for me. There is a Used one in a town and hour away in green with white top. I had to stop and look at it yesterday. Had snorkel and steelies Just out of my budget My driveway https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65995/269248DD-7FA5-4A88-BA56-ADC3A2E07CD6_jpe-3609863.JPG That’s an awesome view! I’m probably going to wrap my roof white (or slightly off white, I like that contrast look, and it would have to help reflect some heat in the summer. yea it looked awesome with the white top. I had to pull into the dealer just to look at it. Same color as yours I think. I do like the steelies better though for my use. Makes it look so classic! I'm a big fan of non US overlanding and off road rigs. No huge lifts or tires just functionality. my wife said it looks too pretentious for our area I told her that that could take us to any waterfall she wanted to see that our truck or hyundai can't Granted her little hyundai Kona has seen more offroad than most Attached File |
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Quoted: Good info. I found a video from the Owl off-road guy, and he said they basically have zero caster. He maxed out the eccentric bolt adjustment and was able to get 1.9 degrees, said it made a big improvement. I’ll take a look at that when I get it back from PPF tomorrow. Be careful with Owl. They have a reputation of telling you something is wrong with your truck then offering a fantastic new product to fix what they just told you is wrong. Also completely ignoring manufacturer requirements and lying about everything to everyone. Agile is slightly better. |
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Quoted: Be careful with Owl. They have a reputation of telling you something is wrong with your truck then offering a fantastic new product to fix what they just told you is wrong. Also completely ignoring manufacturer requirements and lying about everything to everyone. Agile is slightly better. Seems like pretty standard business practice, honestly. Identify a problem, create a solution. Marketing educates and sells. Up to the discerning buyer to decide whether it’s actually a problem worth solving. Lots of BS out there in the automotive world. Like Pedal Commanders. LOL “hey, your gas pedal is too slow, we’ll make your throttle twitchier!” There is definitely room for improvement on the on highway steering. Agile sold me on the steering stabilizer upgrade being a good idea. We’ll see, I guess. At the moment, I’m kind of wondering if the Fox ATS was a waste of money for what I’m trying to improve. If caster adjustment improves the steering stability/neutrality, I’m in. And if Owl (or anyone else) brings a product that lets you get to that 3+ degree in these, I’ll evaluate whether I want to spend money to go from 2 degrees to 3 degrees. I’m putting the Fox ATS on and adjusting the caster today, so we’ll see what it does. In a perfect world, I’d do one, then the other for science, but I don’t have time. I’ll report back tonight. |
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Update: putting it on my 2 post lift was a bit more of a puzzle than I was anticipating. Did not want to spend much time solving puzzles, so that turned out to be good for science on testing caster vs caster & stabilizer. Adjusted the caster, maxed them to approx 2 degrees. Pretty easy, 21mm nut on the inside, bolt head on the outside is 22mm. M14 grade 10.9 bolt, so retorqued to 190nm (140ftlbs) not a lot of room under there to generate that kind of leverage on a torque wrench, but doable. Could probably use an impact with appropriate torque stick. Marked with paint pen for easy visual check down the road. Really made a noticeable difference, feels much more well mannered for highway driving. Would definitely recommend that for anyone. My daughter is back in the state for a couple weeks and will be driving it, so I’ll tackle the steering stabilizer at some point after that. |
I haven't watched it yet...Agile Offroad (John) and Adrenaline HQ (Tim) ran the NORRA Race in Mexico in their Grenadiers  INEOS Grenadier vs. NORRA 1000 | Full Baja Film |
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I watched it last night, right before bed. That Safari class looks like a good time. Hard on the vehicle/expensive, but definitely a good time. I did notice that Agile appeared to be running stock suspension & steering stabilizer. At least the replacement stabilizer he packed looked like the black stock one, and the shocks on it that blew out looked like plain black stock ones. Honestly surprised he wasn’t running upgraded Fox stuff, unless he was wanting to torture test the factory suspension. Who knows. But yeah, looked like filthy dusty fun. |
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Quoted:Yeah since asking that I started watching some videos and that's it exactly, they detuned it for offroad reliability. I'm glad to hear it otherwise is fine on road. To your point about not being an on road performance vehicle, it's also not intended to be a luxury vehicle, etc. A lot of the influences decry the lack of luxuries like power seats and adaptive cruise control without realizing that all of those sorts of things would defeat the purpose of this truck. It is meant to be "old school" to the extent possible in today's market. I hate "influencer" videos. Quoted:A friend of mine said “I want to get something like that for my wife.” I can’t imagine. He wants the new LR Defender, not the reimagined old Defenders. Some soccer mom going from a Lexus to this would not be happy. Me? Happier than a pig in shit. Same as the jeep or (now) bronco phenomenon. suburban wife sees shiny new "cool" thing, gets it, finds out it's a truck and not a crossover SUV, hates it. Also, I would expect the centered instrument cluster/offset warning light setup might make interior changes for left/right driving side much less of a parts supply headache. Might look under the dash and see how the firewall looks on each side to see if pedal box/column setup is mirrored |