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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:14:28 PM EDT
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Had a flamethrower demo locally with a guy who does a ton of work for the movies. Iirc they had a Stewart with a coax flamethrower doing a demo.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:45:32 PM EDT
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Funny thing - Weapons and Warfare did a post on the Stuart today
https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2021/01/04/light-tank-m5-series-general-stuart/ |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:47:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Had a flamethrower demo locally with a guy who does a ton of work for the movies. Iirc they had a Stewart with a coax flamethrower doing a demo. Neat little tank. The insides looked tiny.  Attached File Attached FileHowever the Canadians had developed a powerful vehicle mounted flamethrower based on an abandoned British Ronson design, and when USMC General Holland Smith got tipped off about them he had 40 shipped express to the Pacific. Army Col. George Unmacht, chief US chemical warfare officer in Hawaii, quickly took 24 Stuarts had their 37mm main guns removed and replaced with a Ronson with a 170 gallon fuel tank for two minutes of fire with an effective range of 60-80 yards, creating the M3A1 Satan. Unmacht gave USMC tankers a quick training course on the Satans and 12 went with each USMC division shipping out to invade Saipan, in platoons of 4 Satans plus one unmodified Stuart each.      Attached FileSatan crews were terrified of their own weapons, but the only casualties on Saipan were two men wounded by an anti-tank mine. Japanese bunkers were quickly destroyed anywhere the terrain permitted a Satan to approach, and a portion of the Shermans and LVT's that would deploy in later island invasions were equipped with Ronsons. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:05:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0811737713/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&;psc=1 Thunder On Bataan I just got this book. bucks cheaper and I already have another to read from above... 
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:09:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I researched these awhile back in relation to Saipan. Handheld flamethrowers were first used on Guadalcanal to excellent effect, but life expectancy for the troop carrying it was always dismal. Stuarts with bow mounted adaptations of handheld flamethrowers first deployed on Bougainville, 1943. Successful, better than the 37mm at knocking out bunkers, but range and fuel capacity was limited so they had to park with their nose in the enemy's doorway practically. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172926/03f5a6154ff4e1f9fda96b49566d9720_jpg-1762943.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172926/79ff21d512af161c3fe84319ff7eb94e_jpg-1762946.JPG However the Canadians had developed a powerful vehicle mounted flamethrower based on an abandoned British Ronson design, and when USMC General Holland Smith got tipped off about them he had 40 shipped express to the Pacific. Army Col. George Unmacht, chief US chemical warfare officer in Hawaii, quickly took 24 Stuarts had their 37mm main guns removed and replaced with a Ronson with a 170 gallon fuel tank for two minutes of fire with an effective range of 60-80 yards, creating the M3A1 Satan. Unmacht gave USMC tankers a quick training course on the Satans and 12 went with each USMC division shipping out to invade Saipan, in platoons of 4 Satans plus one unmodified Stuart each. https://i.imgur.com/8g3xAak.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/564x/64/ce/65/64ce655fb1055b355c7443fecc666ef7.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d6/4c/5b/d64c5b6d0a62c336d50bd45d62ba5a59.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xX4pRRVNyy8/hqdefault.jpg https://waralbum.ru/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/17.jpg Satan crews were terrified of their own weapons, but the only casualties on Saipan were two men wounded by an anti-tank mine. Japanese bunkers were quickly destroyed anywhere the terrain permitted a Satan to approach, and a portion of the Shermans and LVT's that would deploy in later island invasions were equipped with Ronsons. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:16:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool post! Like I said all the literature I can find is about sherman and pershings . Nothing really about scout tanks, tactics,losses or wins. Yet you see them all the way till 1945 in Germany and even post war while other tanks were retired out. Last year I learned the Air Force was still using the B25 bomber for multi engine training in the early 1960s . Guy was an SR71 pilot that learned in them 2 years prior to flying the blackbird. It appears the Stuart may have been used as a training tank until after Korea in the US B-26s (redesiginated A-26s) were used in Vietnam. B-26K 
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:18:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not the only one? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was going to post this. I grew up on that comic book. I'm not the only one? 
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:26:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: B-26s (redesiginated A-26s) were used in Vietnam. B-26K https://media.defense.gov/2005/Dec/26/2000574502/780/780/0/050317-F-1234P-047.JPG |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:26:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:35:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome post. Did they work in conjunction with M4? Or only the M3/5 escort tank ? But no plan survives contact with the enemy. One M3 Satan with two M5 Stuarts on Saipan (perhaps two platoons operating together, or a gun Stuart replaced a damaged Satan):  Attached FileETA: Standard Oil E9-9 armored flamethrower trailer prototype (aka "crocodile"). Enormous trailer fed the fire hose-like nozzle in the bow with a goal of a 200 yard range. The 1200 gallon tank at 800 psi blew up during trials and incinerated the tank crew:  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 1:32:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of my Favorites. Especially 1950s black ops A26s , Im one of the few that watches "Kay" live streams . I knew the 26 was kept and upgraded but apparently the B25 was used for a long time after WW2. 15 years after WW2 to 1960 seems like a long time till you consider we are using aircraft built in the 60s/70s still Their Inta account is why I had to build a B-26 and T-28 from the Congo .JPG) Using 1944 aircraft in 1968 really was a long time if you consider how many combat aircraft entered and exited service between those 2 points. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 1:37:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryII use to read that comic all the time as a teen in the '70s There used to be a guy that brought a Stuart to Knob Creek periodically. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 1:37:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 1200 gallon tank at 800 psi blew up during trials and incinerated the tank crew How could that have ever been a good idea? |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 1:49:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The lack of universal carriers has always surprised me. They made a ridiculous number of them, but actual examples are pretty rare In New Zealand and Australia where they were numerous,they simply got used up as agricultural machinery.After they wore out/were used as parts,they became a resource for those who needed flat steel as it was expensive and hard to get. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 8:07:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of my Favorites. Especially 1950s black ops A26s , Im one of the few that watches "Kay" live streams . I knew the 26 was kept and upgraded but apparently the B25 was used for a long time after WW2. 15 years after WW2 to 1960 seems like a long time till you consider we are using aircraft built in the 60s/70s still You should see "K" in person she's so niiiice ! I'm lucky to be based at the same airport. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 9:13:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should see "K" in person she's so niiiice ! I'm lucky to be based at the same airport. |
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Posted: 1/5/2021 6:16:31 AM EDT
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 Oh My God, the Stuart Is On Fire (Mild Profanity) |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 4:25:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted by Brassdancer
"What's fascinating, is there are modernized versions of the Stuart with 75mm guns, upgraded armor and drive trains still serving today in Central and South America all these years later." Yeah, the Brazilian Army uses them. They are called: X1A, X1A1, and X1A2. https://tanknutdave.com/the-brazilian-bernardini-x1a2-light-tank/ |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 4:29:00 PM EDT
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I'll take a Brazilian Stuart. Black bears and mtn lions y'know. Could that 90 take out the front glacis of a Panther?
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Posted: 1/7/2021 4:29:45 PM EDT
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@lafmedic1
I saw a video that showed how Portugal used them in Africa in the 60s IIRC. They only had a handful, but they were significant in the circumstances. It is on youtube, searching should find it. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 4:32:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reead another account where a Stuart did a "Huanted Tank" number and took out a Tiger 1. It hit right where the turret met the hull and peened the metal such that the Tiger's turret couldn't be rotated. Easy fix, but the Stuart won. Pretty sure I had that comic book. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 4:36:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The subject of half tracks came up earlier. I can tell you Uncle Sam must have given those things away to farmers after the war since you used to see them in various states of disrepair dotting the farms around eastern NM as late as the 1980s. Farmers did unspeakable things to those poor half tracks before running them into the ground.  When I was a kid (growing up on a ranch) there was a halftrack for sale at a nearby town, my mom tried to get my dad to buy it but he refused. In the 70s I saw a US halftrack in a repair shop in AZ painted with German Africacorp insignia. I assume it was used in Rat Patrol. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:02:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry to be the bearer of bad news,but the M8 taking out the Tiger is just a war story. Mark Felton says you're wrong. M8 vs Tiger I wasn't there, so I couldn't tell you if it happened or not. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:07:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @lafmedic1 I saw a video that showed how Portugal used them in Africa in the 60s IIRC. They only had a handful, but they were significant in the circumstances. It is on youtube, searching should find it. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 5:22:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/10/2021 5:24:32 PM EDT
[#26]
Nice historical summary . Did not know about the M2A4
http://mcvthf.org/History/Evolution_of_Marine_Tanks.html |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 5:57:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice historical summary . Did not know about the M2A4 http://mcvthf.org/History/Evolution_of_Marine_Tanks.html You'll dig the Marmon-Harrington tanks also. They built tanks so lame the Chinese rejected them when offered for free. They built tanks that had to be fabricated and deployed in left hand and right hand pairs because the driver's station blocked the turret from turning to one side. The US Marines and then Army, in a reversal of the usual order that shit equipment was passed down, ended up with a couple thousand of them because hardly anybody else in the US was building tanks yet. These were sent to Alaska to calm everybody down when the Japanese voluntarily marooned themselves in the Aleutians; look how the layout is mirrored:  |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 6:36:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice historical summary . Did not know about the M2A4 http://mcvthf.org/History/Evolution_of_Marine_Tanks.html I informed a docent at the USMC Museum in Virginia that a photograph was not labeled correctly. I was told that whoever did that knows far more than me.  Attached FileBe that as it may,this is not a Stuart. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 6:36:51 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not the only one? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was going to post this. I grew up on that comic book. I'm not the only one? |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 6:39:51 PM EDT
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My grandpa drove a Stuart in the regular army. Stationed at ft. Knox. Even guarded the depository. He seperated nov of 41, for 1 month lol. Went back in and drove a truck through N Africa and up Italy.
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Posted: 1/10/2021 6:42:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I informed a docent at the USMC Museum in Virginia that a photograph was not labeled correctly. I was told that whoever did that knows far more than me. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/56204/04FC0E93-BA5F-4EEF-8F16-996781E3B174_jpe-1773797.JPG Be that as it may,this is not a Stuart. I corrected the Smithsonian once on a rifle they had displayed. I corrected them on his regiment for them and provided them with his photo and history. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 6:57:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mark Felton says you're wrong. M8 vs Tiger I wasn't there, so I couldn't tell you if it happened or not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sorry to be the bearer of bad news,but the M8 taking out the Tiger is just a war story. Mark Felton says you're wrong. M8 vs Tiger I wasn't there, so I couldn't tell you if it happened or not. It doesn’t matter who repeats a tall tale,it doesn’t make it any more true. To make this story possible,a lone unattributed to nor accounted by any unit Tiger,usually attributed to be a King Tiger,would have been lost somewhere by itself,had armor that should not have been penetrated by a 37mm fail and amazingly the crew of the M8 didn’t even take credit for it. The Tiger with 3 rounds to its ass was never found and the M8 also disappeared. Remove a couple elements and there is a “never say never” but in its entirety I will more comfortably say “that was a war story somebody invented”. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 7:07:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't matter who repeats a tall tale,it doesn't make it any more true. To make this story possible,a lone unattributed to nor accounted by any unit Tiger,usually attributed to be a King Tiger,would have been lost somewhere by itself,had armor that should not have been penetrated by a 37mm fail and amazingly the crew of the M8 didn't even take credit for it. The Tiger with 3 rounds to its ass was never found and the M8 also disappeared. Remove a couple elements and there is a "never say never" but in its entirety I will more comfortably say "that was a war story somebody invented". ETA: OTOH some Abrams were killed by light anti-aircraft and machine gun fire in Desert Storm. In one case machine gun fire ignited something on the bustle rack which spread to the engine: LINK Sometimes somebody shoots a golden BB and gets lucky. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 10:06:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would build this if I had an M5 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/390973/13-Tank-1761730.jpg  That is EVERY Crime Against Nature you can name, say or even think... That Poor Poor M-5 ... |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 10:09:36 PM EDT
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In surprised they never mated an M16 turret to one
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Posted: 1/10/2021 10:13:05 PM EDT
[#36]
Spoke too soon about the turret. In going see about this dual bubble canopy on what looks like an M24
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Posted: 1/10/2021 10:13:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/10/2021 10:16:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry to be the bearer of bad news,but the M8 taking out the Tiger is just a war story. I know for a FACT that it could be done. Because Video Games are just like real life... Right?? Played Steel Panthers (old turn type board war game only updated to be computerized back in the DOS days)  My opponent was laughing as his one remaining tank (Tiger II) was destroying all before it Shermans,M-10s, when I wheeled out a M-8 Greyhound that had been hidden in the bushes to go to the rear of the Tiger II and pour every possible shot into it. On the LAST shot... KaBOOMMM!!!! That guy was SO FREAKING FURIOUS that my puny little M-8 Greyhound had taken out his vaunted Tiger II AND Lost him the game!! I still bring it up from time to time if I want to see his blood pressure spike, even after all those decades! |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 10:24:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spoke too soon about the turret. In going see about this dual bubble canopy on what looks like an M24 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213498/3D85EB98-8322-49BC-93DD-8475EDA77579_jpe-1774273.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213498/D1FDAD80-9BEC-45CA-A890-D300D94D1D30_jpe-1774274.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213498/C137F6D0-E385-4C56-B061-59AE54FA958C_jpe-1774275.JPG Those bubble canopies are nuts, very 50's sci-fi. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 11:46:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI loved that comic book! It was my favorite. I read a lot of history, two quick anecdotes about the Stuarts that I recall: The Brits in N Africa called them "honeys" because they ran so much better and were so much more reliable than the Brit tanks of the time. They were preferred for long range scouting because the Brits knew that Cadillac engine wouldn't leave them stranded in the middle of the desert. At the Nimitz museum of the War in The Pacific in Fredricksburg, Texas, there is a knocked out Stuart that took a Japanese 3" round right through the driver's viewport. The entire back of the tank is gone just about. They also have the gun that they believe destroyed the tank. Inside the museum, there is a video interview of the commander. He and the rest of the crew miraculously made it out of the tank alive. |
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Posted: 1/11/2021 8:29:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know for a FACT that it could be done. Because Video Games are just like real life... Right?? Played Steel Panthers (old turn type board war game only updated to be computerized back in the DOS days) https://www.myabandonware.com/media/screenshots/s/steel-panthers-ii-modern-battles-jgl/steel-panthers-ii-modern-battles_4.jpg My opponent was laughing as his one remaining tank (Tiger II) was destroying all before it Shermans,M-10s, when I wheeled out a M-8 Greyhound that had been hidden in the bushes to go to the rear of the Tiger II and pour every possible shot into it. On the LAST shot... KaBOOMMM!!!! That guy was SO FREAKING FURIOUS that my puny little M-8 Greyhound had taken out his vaunted Tiger II AND Lost him the game!! I still bring it up from time to time if I want to see his blood pressure spike, even after all those decades! Steel Panthers latest release was 2018 and still being updated. I had Steel Panthers III, but no hardware to play it. I found SP:MBT and bought it. |
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Posted: 1/11/2021 8:39:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reead another account where a Stuart did a "Huanted Tank" number and took out a Tiger 1. It hit right where the turret met the hull and peened the metal such that the Tiger's turret couldn't be rotated. Easy fix, but the Stuart won. That's how the British captured "Tiger 131"; an incoming round ricoheted off the gun and wedged the turret, causing the crew to unass in such a hurry that they failed to destroy it. |
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Posted: 1/11/2021 2:08:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know for a FACT that it could be done. Because Video Games are just like real life... Right?? Played Steel Panthers (old turn type board war game only updated to be computerized back in the DOS days) https://www.myabandonware.com/media/screenshots/s/steel-panthers-ii-modern-battles-jgl/steel-panthers-ii-modern-battles_4.jpg My opponent was laughing as his one remaining tank (Tiger II) was destroying all before it Shermans,M-10s, when I wheeled out a M-8 Greyhound that had been hidden in the bushes to go to the rear of the Tiger II and pour every possible shot into it. On the LAST shot... KaBOOMMM!!!! That guy was SO FREAKING FURIOUS that my puny little M-8 Greyhound had taken out his vaunted Tiger II AND Lost him the game!! I still bring it up from time to time if I want to see his blood pressure spike, even after all those decades! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sorry to be the bearer of bad news,but the M8 taking out the Tiger is just a war story. I know for a FACT that it could be done. Because Video Games are just like real life... Right?? Played Steel Panthers (old turn type board war game only updated to be computerized back in the DOS days) https://www.myabandonware.com/media/screenshots/s/steel-panthers-ii-modern-battles-jgl/steel-panthers-ii-modern-battles_4.jpg My opponent was laughing as his one remaining tank (Tiger II) was destroying all before it Shermans,M-10s, when I wheeled out a M-8 Greyhound that had been hidden in the bushes to go to the rear of the Tiger II and pour every possible shot into it. On the LAST shot... KaBOOMMM!!!! That guy was SO FREAKING FURIOUS that my puny little M-8 Greyhound had taken out his vaunted Tiger II AND Lost him the game!! I still bring it up from time to time if I want to see his blood pressure spike, even after all those decades!
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Posted: 1/11/2021 2:28:51 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I informed a docent at the USMC Museum in Virginia that a photograph was not labeled correctly. I was told that whoever did that knows far more than me. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/56204/04FC0E93-BA5F-4EEF-8F16-996781E3B174_jpe-1773797.JPG Be that as it may,this is not a Stuart. Yeah, that's an M2A4. |
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Posted: 1/11/2021 2:40:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/39/59/58/395958d51206529322005f4063347fc7.jpg That is EVERY Crime Against Nature you can name, say or even think... That Poor Poor M-5 ... |
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Posted: 1/11/2021 2:46:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryUsed to read those as a kid. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 11:40:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2021 12:10:04 PM EDT
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Does anyone have a picture of how the track grousers (bottom left bar looking things in the layout) were attached?
I can't for the life of me envision how they attach to the track end connectors, and I can't ever recall seeing a light tank use them.  (I have seen a few pics of M4 Shermans with "duckbills", but these look totally different). ETA: Are they like tire chains? So the grouser completely replaces a track link, and you have this big bar thing instead of a track link every 8 or so links? 
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Posted: 1/18/2021 12:21:08 PM EDT
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Chieftan posted something on fb like this the other day. Took me a second to figure out what they were in the picture
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Posted: 1/18/2021 1:30:55 PM EDT
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 So, anyone that's shot in the National Matches has seen a Stuart sitting there (they've moved it around some). I slept under in once in a rain storm when I didn't have a placed to stay during SAFS. One of the companies of M3 light tanks on Bataan, were activated NG from Camp Perry. Most of them did not survive. A couple weeks ago, I read an account of the last days on Corregidor, that the Japanese landed a couple of tanks, including a captured and reused Stuart. The Japanese tanks couldn't get up the slope, but the Stuart could, and then towed the Japanese tanks up, which was one of the final straws. |
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