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OK, looked up Ildris Elba, I did like him a lot in Pacific Rim and Prometheus (even though it was a small part...)
He's a fine actor, and I'd love to see him do more, but he isn't Bond... I think Daniel Craig does a good job as Bond, he is pretty close in character to Flemings Bond, who was a bit dark and brooding. Connery was excellent of course, Some people say Lazenby was closer than Connery, but I think Connery was better. Moore was enjoyable and fun, but not close to the literary Bond. Timothy Dalton went back to a darker, more brooding Bond, and wasn't bad, but not so popular... Pierce Brosnan was sort of a cross between Connery's Bond, and Moore's Bond...debonair, dry sense of humor, a a bit dark.... I kind of like what Craig has done with it honestly...I think he has a few more in him, but if he wants out, he wants out I guess... |
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i gave up on bond when the last one couldn't drive a stick and wanted gay scenes.
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But how important is whiteness to the character? Obviously he has to be British, well trained, quick witted and charismatic as fuck but I really don't think skin tone is vital to the character aside from details from the book. It wouldn't make sense if Idris had a thick southern accent, horrible facial scaring or was the size of Shaq. Idris is a smooth brit who can whoop some ass and pull tail like a special needs kid at a petting zoo. All day long. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Dude is one of the best actors working these days. I think he'd nail it. Bond is about attitude, not skin color. What would kill Bond is an American actor. I think he would make a good Bond. I even said so in another thread. * I would also expect that the real MI6 has people of all races working for it, depending on where they need to blend in. *http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1691439_Is_Benedict_Cumberbatch_the_most_menacing_man_ever_.html&page=1 I'm sure they do. James Bond is a fictional character who is white and had always been white. Why change it? But how important is whiteness to the character? Obviously he has to be British, well trained, quick witted and charismatic as fuck but I really don't think skin tone is vital to the character aside from details from the book. It wouldn't make sense if Idris had a thick southern accent, horrible facial scaring or was the size of Shaq. Idris is a smooth brit who can whoop some ass and pull tail like a special needs kid at a petting zoo. All day long. Only reason he's being considered is for political reasons I'd bet on it |
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i gave up on bond when the last one couldn't drive a stick and wanted gay scenes. View Quote The former especially sounds like a rumor that could only start in the US, and makes zero sense for a Brit. The association with manual transmission and manliness is unique to the US. Anywhere else, people simply wouldn't know how to drive, period. |
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I'm not saying he should be James Bond because he is a good actor, I am saying that he should be James Bond based on the fact he was a very smooth and dominant personality, and is also a good actor. Grounded in reality? A super duper secret agent who always manage to outsmart everyone while being extremely sophisticated and making love to beautiful women, and the only reason that it is unrealistic is because it is a black British guy, and not a white British guy? You can try to justify your blatant racism all you want, but it is painfully obvious why you don't want him to play Bond. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Stay true to the character. It deserves more than that. From You Only Live Once: "Bond's parents were given as Andrew Bond, from the village of Glencoe, Scotland, and Monique Delacroix, from the canton of Vaud, Switzerland." Come on man! I think Ben Affleck would have done just as great a great job as Cinqué in Amistad too... So simply changing the race of Bond is demeaning their character? I would argue that the portrayal of the character is what would make it hit or miss, not what color they were. If we are using authenticity to the books as a deciding factor on the portrayal of James Bond, then most of the other movies have failed miserably. I think Hollywood does a lot of bad casting, but I don't think this is one of those instances. I bet you're upset there is a black stormtrooper in the new Star Wars as well. That's the whole problem I have with your line of reasoning that he's a good actor so lets throw all the other criteria out the window. Running with YOUR viewpoint is akin to sayin it would be OK to have Darth Vader be played by Sigourney Weaver because she's really good in space movies. I'm not saying he should be James Bond because he is a good actor, I am saying that he should be James Bond based on the fact he was a very smooth and dominant personality, and is also a good actor. Grounded in reality? A super duper secret agent who always manage to outsmart everyone while being extremely sophisticated and making love to beautiful women, and the only reason that it is unrealistic is because it is a black British guy, and not a white British guy? You can try to justify your blatant racism all you want, but it is painfully obvious why you don't want him to play Bond. You left out announcing your presence to anyone that will listen. If nothing else, Danial Craig has shown it is a good idea to use a good actor for the role, so that is a requirement. They also need to be able to look and portray the Bond attitude. I do think we can all agree he would be a better choice than Timothy Dalton. |
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OK, looked up Ildris Elba, I did like him a lot in Pacific Rim and Prometheus (even though it was a small part...) He's a fine actor, and I'd love to see him do more, but he isn't Bond... I think Daniel Craig does a good job as Bond, he is pretty close in character to Flemings Bond, who was a bit dark and brooding. Connery was excellent of course, Some people say Lazenby was closer than Connery, but I think Connery was better. Moore was enjoyable and fun, but not close to the literary Bond. Timothy Dalton went back to a darker, more brooding Bond, and wasn't bad, but not so popular... Pierce Brosnan was sort of a cross between Connery's Bond, and Moore's Bond...debonair, dry sense of humor, a a bit dark.... I kind of like what Craig has done with it honestly...I think he has a few more in him, but if he wants out, he wants out I guess... View Quote He's in The Losers, too. Good movie. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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He is a great actor,fuck it give him a shot. At least they didn't pick Will Smith.
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Sam Neill was on the short list to play bond. I bet he would have done a good job.
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They made Fellix Leiter black, and. Moneypenny too. Next step is to make Bond black, and then get Tyler Perry to play M in drag and also direct.
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I'm not saying he should be James Bond because he is a good actor, I am saying that he should be James Bond based on the fact he was a very smooth and dominant personality, and is also a good actor. Grounded in reality? A super duper secret agent who always manage to outsmart everyone while being extremely sophisticated and making love to beautiful women, and the only reason that it is unrealistic is because it is a black British guy, and not a white British guy? You can try to justify your blatant racism all you want, but it is painfully obvious why you don't want him to play Bond. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Stay true to the character. It deserves more than that. From You Only Live Once: "Bond's parents were given as Andrew Bond, from the village of Glencoe, Scotland, and Monique Delacroix, from the canton of Vaud, Switzerland." Come on man! I think Ben Affleck would have done just as great a great job as Cinqué in Amistad too... So simply changing the race of Bond is demeaning their character? I would argue that the portrayal of the character is what would make it hit or miss, not what color they were. If we are using authenticity to the books as a deciding factor on the portrayal of James Bond, then most of the other movies have failed miserably. I think Hollywood does a lot of bad casting, but I don't think this is one of those instances. I bet you're upset there is a black stormtrooper in the new Star Wars as well. That's the whole problem I have with your line of reasoning that he's a good actor so lets throw all the other criteria out the window. Running with YOUR viewpoint is akin to sayin it would be OK to have Darth Vader be played by Sigourney Weaver because she's really good in space movies. I'm not saying he should be James Bond because he is a good actor, I am saying that he should be James Bond based on the fact he was a very smooth and dominant personality, and is also a good actor. Grounded in reality? A super duper secret agent who always manage to outsmart everyone while being extremely sophisticated and making love to beautiful women, and the only reason that it is unrealistic is because it is a black British guy, and not a white British guy? You can try to justify your blatant racism all you want, but it is painfully obvious why you don't want him to play Bond. It's not realistic because it was based in Cold War alliances and enemies. Our major foes were white Soviets and Eastern Europeans. A black Bond would have found it difficult to effectively perform espionage at the levels he did, seeing as he was going against the very best. A black guy would not only have had trouble, but would have been killed in the first few scenes. Nothing racist, but different physical appearances than those he needed to blend in to, different enough mannerisms, and whether you like it or not, different tones and inflections in speech. You can be as open minded as you want, but different races, even from the same country, speaking the same dialect, sound different enough that you can tell over the telephone. He would not, ever infiltrate an East German operation. Of course, I'm sure the series would be so exciting infiltrating and bringing down the high tech terrorist operations of Zimbabwe. Now, give him the 007 number, but not the Bond name, and you can start over with current enemies. |
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They made Fellix Leiter black, and. Moneypenny too. Next step is to make Bond black, and then get Tyler Perry to play M in drag and also direct. I like Idris as an actor, but my choice for the next Bond should be Michael Fassbender. View Quote Speaking of Tyler Perry, I wonder when we'll see a white Madea. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Kinda hard for him to pass as Russian or Japanese though... I mean, THIS was bad enough... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-D3TZucEvQsw/T3FGXVFmzNI/AAAAAAAABG0/nS0CdPld7CE/s1600/James+Bond,+Japanese+agent.jpg View Quote I saw that movie in the theaters as a kid back in the 1960s, and it changed my life! I had a raging boner for three weeks and I could not figure out why. And the whole sequence where they turned him into a Japanese! Mind blowing. |
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They made Fellix Leiter black, and. Moneypenny too. Next step is to make Bond black, and then get Tyler Perry to play M in drag and also direct. I like Idris as an actor, but my choice for the next Bond should be Michael Fassbender. He'd do a great job too Yeah, he would be pretty good too, although the blonde hair isn't very Fleming... |
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Yea well we have a black Sgt Fury. For fuck sake create a new character and leave t he old ones alone. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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WTF? Bond is a cool British guy, set in the present day I don't see any problem with a cool British black guy being Bond. It's not like a black Lone Ranger or Sergeant Rock. Beats the idea Craig was floating of a Gay Bond Yea well we have a black Sgt Fury. For fuck sake create a new character and leave t he old ones alone. A black SGT Fury? Where? I know the re-booted Colonel Fury is Samuel L. Jackson, but I don't see the continuity where he was in WWII. |
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I'm sure they do. James Bond is a fictional character who is white and had always been white. Why change it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Dude is one of the best actors working these days. I think he'd nail it. Bond is about attitude, not skin color. What would kill Bond is an American actor. I think he would make a good Bond. I even said so in another thread. * I would also expect that the real MI6 has people of all races working for it, depending on where they need to blend in. *http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1691439_Is_Benedict_Cumberbatch_the_most_menacing_man_ever_.html&page=1 I'm sure they do. James Bond is a fictional character who is white and had always been white. Why change it? The only downside anyone has been able to come up with for Idris playing Bond has been his color. In every other category, he is pretty close to perfect for the role. The other thread I mentioned was not about James Bond. I went looking for British actors that are more menacing than Benedict Cumberbatch. (which is almost all of them) It occurred to me that 1) he could play a menacing character, and 2) he would make a pretty good Bond. Sir Anthony Hopkins could play a pretty menacing character, but he is too old to play Bond. Gary Oldman would fall in the same category as Hopkins. |
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The only downside anyone has been able to come up with for Idris playing Bond has been his color. In every other category, he is pretty close to perfect for the role. The other thread I mentioned was not about James Bond. I went looking for British actors that are more menacing than Benedict Cumberbatch. (which is almost all of them) It occurred to me that 1) he could play a menacing character, and 2) he would make a pretty good Bond. Sir Anthony Hopkins could play a pretty menacing character, but he is too old to play Bond. Gary Oldman would fall in the same category as Hopkins. View Quote That is the only reason I can think of why he shouldn't play him. He's a great actor and I love his movies, but Jsmes Bond is supposed to be a white guy. Clive Owen would make a great Bond and a few years ago he was the number one choice for Bond after a public poll that was laden in the UK |
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While I don't have an issue with a black Bond in theory, I am concerned that Hollywood would fuck it up. Hollywood is overly PC with black actors in my opinion, and in order to avoid offending anyone tends to make black "hero" type characters flawless. This, of course, makes them boring. No one wants to see Mr. Perfect handle the situation perfectly. It is a character's flaws which give him something to overcome, and thereby create plot and drama. We sympathize with the flawed character because we are flawed and we want to see the character overcome those flaws and succeed. One of the best parts about the new Craig Bond is that he is a flawed character, and his flaws create obstacles for him to overcome, and a plot for us in the audience. I worry that if Hollywood goes for a black Bond they'll go full retard PC and make Bond a one-dimensional snoozefest.
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Ever read the books? Thirteen of them written about Bond. I know he's too old these days, but if you read the books, by the original author, the description in the books is Sean Connery. Fleming hated Connery and loved Moore. See, and Moore was an edgier, grittier Bond than Connery. |
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Idris Elba would make a great Bond!
It's definitely one of those unnecessary attempts to be inclusive by Hollywood though. If you treat Bond as an identity to take on, and not a a singular person, then yes you could have virtually anyone play him but that's not how it's been handled to date. I'm all for more of us being included in movies, but it shouldn't be forced. It has to be natural. Producers don't want natural though. The American public doesn't want natural. |
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After the huge success of the Idris Elba Bond movie we will get the Idris Elba Batman movie. Sounds great right?
If Paul Walker was still alive he would make an excellent Shaft! |
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Quoted: But how important is whiteness to the character? Obviously he has to be British, well trained, quick witted and charismatic as fuck but I really don't think skin tone is vital to the character aside from details from the book. It wouldn't make sense if Idris had a thick southern accent, horrible facial scaring or was the size of Shaq. Idris is a smooth brit who can whoop some ass and pull tail like a special needs kid at a petting zoo. All day long. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dude is one of the best actors working these days. I think he'd nail it. Bond is about attitude, not skin color. What would kill Bond is an American actor. I think he would make a good Bond. I even said so in another thread. * I would also expect that the real MI6 has people of all races working for it, depending on where they need to blend in. *http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1691439_Is_Benedict_Cumberbatch_the_most_menacing_man_ever_.html&page=1 I'm sure they do. James Bond is a fictional character who is white and had always been white. Why change it? But how important is whiteness to the character? Obviously he has to be British, well trained, quick witted and charismatic as fuck but I really don't think skin tone is vital to the character aside from details from the book. It wouldn't make sense if Idris had a thick southern accent, horrible facial scaring or was the size of Shaq. Idris is a smooth brit who can whoop some ass and pull tail like a special needs kid at a petting zoo. All day long. |
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That is the only reason I can think of why he shouldn't play him. He's a great actor and I love his movies, but Jsmes Bond is supposed to be a white guy. Clive Owen would make a great Bond and a few years ago he was the number one choice for Bond after a public poll that was laden in the UK View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
The only downside anyone has been able to come up with for Idris playing Bond has been his color. In every other category, he is pretty close to perfect for the role. The other thread I mentioned was not about James Bond. I went looking for British actors that are more menacing than Benedict Cumberbatch. (which is almost all of them) It occurred to me that 1) he could play a menacing character, and 2) he would make a pretty good Bond. Sir Anthony Hopkins could play a pretty menacing character, but he is too old to play Bond. Gary Oldman would fall in the same category as Hopkins. That is the only reason I can think of why he shouldn't play him. He's a great actor and I love his movies, but Jsmes Bond is supposed to be a white guy. Clive Owen would make a great Bond and a few years ago he was the number one choice for Bond after a public poll that was laden in the UK Over 50 years and 25 films of Bond being portrayed by a white man who is the child of a man from Scotland and a woman from Switzerland, and now it's going to all of sudden be a black guy? Seems legit. |
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I think it'd be great because it'd add to the fan theory that James Bond/007 is not one man, but a cover for a position within MI6. Too many people are seeing him as Stringer Bell. I don't think they should drop Daniel Craig for him but if he's out for whatever reason then they should go for it. View Quote Skyfall goes out of its way to make the point that Bond is Bond, not a code name and tthe same guy all along. Remember the scene where he goes to the secret lockup to retrieve the original DB5 ? |
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They made Fellix Leiter black, and. Moneypenny too. Next step is to make Bond black, and then get Tyler Perry to play M in drag and also direct. I like Idris as an actor, but my choice for the next Bond should be Michael Fassbender. View Quote From what I've read, Idris hates Tyler Perry--he makes black people look bad or some such. |
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I don't care if Bond is black. What I'm care is that he's a bad ass serious alpha male.
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They made Fellix Leiter black, and. Moneypenny too. Next step is to make Bond black, and then get Tyler Perry to play M in drag and also direct. I like Idris as an actor, but my choice for the next Bond should be Michael Fassbender. View Quote OMFG "M"adea! It is destined to be so!!! LOL |
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I always thought Connery and Craig were a little too large to play Bond who, after all, is supposed to be a spy and supposed to blend in. Both those guys stood out too much, as would Elba (he's over six feet, isn't he?). That's why I always liked Brosnan. He was small-ish but with charisma and he had an air of cruelty about him (remember him in "Fourth Protocol"?).
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On the list of things you have to suspend disbelief for in the James Bond series - physically impossible gadgetry, nonexistent international relations, phenomenally loose women, etc., the race of the actor portraying Bond is incredibly low on the list. Shit, the most realistic scene in the last 30 years of bond films was M's appearance before a bunch of stupid, self-important bureaucrats in Skyfall, and that was immediately counterbalanced by the ease with which Javier Bardem's character and his henchmen waltzed into the place guns-blazing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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There is a level of differentiation that can still allow suspension of disbelief. On the list of things you have to suspend disbelief for in the James Bond series - physically impossible gadgetry, nonexistent international relations, phenomenally loose women, etc., the race of the actor portraying Bond is incredibly low on the list. Shit, the most realistic scene in the last 30 years of bond films was M's appearance before a bunch of stupid, self-important bureaucrats in Skyfall, and that was immediately counterbalanced by the ease with which Javier Bardem's character and his henchmen waltzed into the place guns-blazing. Wait,,you mean Citizen DOESNT make a Watch with a miniature rocket-launcher on the band??? WTF |
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Quoted: Since Bond's character is Scottish, I'll just leave this here: White: Total 5,084,407 96.02% African: Total 29,638 0.56% Demographics of Scotland - Ethnicity View Quote PC idea for a black Bond. More Hollyweird stupidity.
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I wonder if Benedict Cumberbatch could pull it off. He may be too metro to pull off the badass side. View Quote The whole point of Craig was to go back to the reough, almost thuggish side of Bond that was lost once they went to Moore, some of the later ones were better, but still just a touch too comic book |
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