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Quoted: Heh. Like they did in Ferguson, Seattle, etc.? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Any civil disturbance will be quickly and efficiently squashed by the federal government and their vast resources of armed personnel. Heh. Like they did in Ferguson, Seattle, etc.? Would they have the resources to squash a nation wide, all going on simultaneously, civil disturbance? |
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This. Never ceased to amaze how years into OIF the hajjis always had enough mortars/arty shells for us to take incoming at least twice a day, everyday.
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Quoted: It’s not going to be a clearly cut “whos side are you on” It’s gonna be guerrilla warfare and it is going to be a slow roll for a decade or so. It’s not going to flash in a pan, or go to war. It’s gonna be random OKC style events and assassinations. I predict it will be similar to the Irish troubles. That’s my thoughts, not sure it’s going to be true or not View Quote Irish Troubles, Yugoslavia, Syria, Lebanon...and looking at El Salvador + a big chunk of the rest of Latin and South America as a best case. Lots of examples. |
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That kind of thing has been going on since the American Revolution. Maybe not quite the same as portrayed in the movie, but
folks definitely took advantage of the situation of settle old scores and eliminate/punish their enemies. |
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Quoted: Any civil disturbance will be quickly and efficiently squashed by the federal government and their vast resources of armed personnel. View Quote View Quote |
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Quoted: It would be like the breakup of Yugoslavia. Neighbors killing neighbors, friends/coworkers killing each other, being forced to drink battery acid while watching your wife and kids get gang raped, etc. ETA: Ask the women and children along Sherman's march to the sea about how "Clean" the Civil War was. View Quote "Bleeding Kansas." As @Feudist pointed out. (I have got to scroll more before replying, lol.) |
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Quoted: A civil war over what? Bumper stickers? Gay pride flags? Political signs in people's yards? There is no Mason/Dixon line in American politics today. Most of rural California and New York are conservative, they still show up to vote, knowing that it's hopeless. Everyone at least gets a say in local politics. The left has been promoting this narrative, as have Russian propagandists. The only groups coming close to actual street violence has been Antifa and BLM, most of whom are drug addled leftists who can't legally own firearms. Anyone promoting violence should be arrested. If they aren't citizens, they should be deported. If they are spies, they should be tried and executed if found guilty. In order for a civil war to take place, there would have to be a well-defined end goal, that end goal does not exist. View Quote Complete and utter nonsense. The end goal is absolutely crystal clear - the restoration of the Constitutional republic of the US of A. How we get there is likely to involve some "unpleasantness". You can't vote your way out of a communist dictatorship. The communists will not let you. |
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Quoted: I think the only problem with that scenario is that the Democrats have shown what their plan will be to stop that with Trump's case. They have already been talking about indicting Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis in blue states for "kidnapping". And, then they will feel entities to use a heavy hand to extradite these "dangerous criminals". In other words, I just don't think they will allow a peaceful breakup. They feel they have too much to lose from that to allow it. View Quote Things have just started , they have a narrative and they will roll over the opposition. Resisters will be the bad guys . It's past politics now . Fabian Socialism is revolution without violence on the instigators part . Of course the Right will be portrayed as the reactionary violent ones when they refuse to attend "camp ". |
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A civil war right now would just be a continuation of the status quo with a tiny bit more spicy Irish Troubles thrown in, except unlike Belfast, 99% of the violence right now is being orchestrated by those in power and the progressives openly importing foreign rabble as mercenaries. I would really like to avoid the bombings.
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Quoted: Would they have the resources to squash a nation wide, all going on simultaneously, civil disturbance? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Any civil disturbance will be quickly and efficiently squashed by the federal government and their vast resources of armed personnel. Heh. Like they did in Ferguson, Seattle, etc.? Would they have the resources to squash a nation wide, all going on simultaneously, civil disturbance? Absolutely. They have control of the air. |
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Quoted: Complete and utter nonsense. The end goal is absolutely crystal clear - the restoration of the Constitutional republic of the US of A. How we get there is likely to involve some "unpleasantness". You can't vote your way out of a communist dictatorship. The communists will not let you. View Quote |
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Quoted: Absolutely. They have control of the air. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Any civil disturbance will be quickly and efficiently squashed by the federal government and their vast resources of armed personnel. Heh. Like they did in Ferguson, Seattle, etc.? Would they have the resources to squash a nation wide, all going on simultaneously, civil disturbance? Absolutely. They have control of the air. Someone should tell the Vietcong and Taliban how important that is to defeating an insurgency. |
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Quoted: A civil war over what? Bumper stickers? Gay pride flags? Political signs in people's yards? There is no Mason/Dixon line in American politics today. Most of rural California and New York are conservative, they still show up to vote, knowing that it's hopeless. Everyone at least gets a say in local politics. The left has been promoting this narrative, as have Russian propagandists. The only groups coming close to actual street violence has been Antifa and BLM, most of whom are drug addled leftists who can't legally own firearms. Anyone promoting violence should be arrested. If they aren't citizens, they should be deported. If they are spies, they should be tried and executed if found guilty. In order for a civil war to take place, there would have to be a well-defined end goal, that end goal does not exist. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: A civil war over what? Bumper stickers? Gay pride flags? Political signs in people's yards? There is no Mason/Dixon line in American politics today. Most of rural California and New York are conservative, they still show up to vote, knowing that it's hopeless. Everyone at least gets a say in local politics. The left has been promoting this narrative, as have Russian propagandists. The only groups coming close to actual street violence has been Antifa and BLM, most of whom are drug addled leftists who can't legally own firearms. Anyone promoting violence should be arrested. If they aren't citizens, they should be deported. If they are spies, they should be tried and executed if found guilty. In order for a civil war to take place, there would have to be a well-defined end goal, that end goal does not exist. What some are calling "civil war" will be called domestic terrorism. In reality, it will be those fighting in self defense, if there's anyone up to the task. You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn What would things been like [in Russia] if during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there, paling with terror at every bang on the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but understood they had nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people? Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn |
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Quoted: I think the only problem with that scenario is that the Democrats have shown what their plan will be to stop that with Trump's case. They have already been talking about indicting Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis in blue states for "kidnapping". And, then they will feel entities to use a heavy hand to extradite these "dangerous criminals". In other words, I just don't think they will allow a peaceful breakup. They feel they have too much to lose from that to allow it. View Quote The day the feds come for the Governors will be the day the states were informed that the war started. The feds know that. If they follow through with arresting state government officials CW2 will have already started in the planning stages of the arrest. |
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I wouldn’t want to be a hair dye manufacturer in all that mess….. I predict their sales will be…… off
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Quoted: Why is it, in all the "CW2" threads, people always think they’re going to be fighting Antifa and BLM? It’s going to be the federal government, LE, and the military, after us. If Antifa and BLM get involved, it’ll only be after the Feds give them guns and badges. This is why I don’t think it’s going be open conflict, it’s going to be an insurgency. As an earlier poster said, don’t think Civil War 2, think Revolutionary War 2. View Quote They basically did that the last time. That was under Trump. They finally grew a brain when the same people who were at all the riots showed up in DC and stormed the capitol. I know it's not a popular opinion, but it is based in fact. Trump also kept his hand on the scale by ensuring his supporters stood down and did nothing, and were either jailed or killed for trying anything else. Again, based in fact. That's the only reason why the Commies have such a foothold here. Try to remember the Democrats engaged them first and kept their candidate off the ticket. The game is seriously rigged, and the right isn't seeing the forest for the trees, but only because it hasn't been your turn yet. But don't take my word for it, ask the people in those liberal cities whose side the shock troops were on? Whose side the government was on? They've seen something about this that most of us haven't. At least, not yet. That might be the reason why they're doing everything they can to keep Trump from getting back into office. They don't want this either. |
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Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdRmR-jr9rA A 2nd civil war won't be clean like the first, I think a lot of people are just going to take advantage of the chaos with no particular political ideology and just start killing everyone. View Quote Clean? You missed several important details about the Civil War. |
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Honestly that turd of a movie was one of the worst I've ever seen.
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Quoted: It’s not going to be a clearly cut “whos side are you on” It’s gonna be guerrilla warfare and it is going to be a slow roll for a decade or so. It’s not going to flash in a pan, or go to war. It’s gonna be random OKC style events and assassinations. I predict it will be similar to the Irish troubles. That’s my thoughts, not sure it’s going to be true or not View Quote I was thinking it might be more of what the Balkans went through. Neighbour killing neighbour, liquidating the nearest church/mosque. |
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Quoted: 30 years ago when I was building my ranch house in BFE Arizona, I visited my neighbor about 1/4 mile away. There were some 5.56 casings scattered on the ground, and I brought that up in the conversation and he said "I don't own any guns, just an AR." He was completely sincere in the statement. He simply didn't connect owning one AR as having guns. View Quote Well.. he's right. A gun is a crew served weapon. He has a rifle or a carbine |
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Quoted: +1 If there is one thing humans love to do, it’s killing other humans. It’s one of our most basic instincts. View Quote Exactly right. Look at the killing ground a lot of our large norther cities have become. You think the idea of a civil war scares all the people doing that killing? When they find out that it comes with mass looting, they will be excited. |
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Quoted: The day the feds come for the Governors will be the day the states were informed that the war started. The feds know that. If they follow through with arresting state government officials CW2 will have already started in the planning stages of the arrest. View Quote You may be right. I don't know what would happen. I do remember when Bobby Knight, the basketball coach, got charged for something he did in Puerto Rico (after he had left) and the governor of Indiana basically said, "Why don't you come up here and try and arrest him and see what happens?" |
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I’ll amend my comment to add that I think a lot of us will be concerned about the rats and snakes who called themselves conservatives but applauded all the crap that led to this point (persecution of Trump, Alex Jones, the Uke bros, neocons, etc.) and there will be some “paying the piper” and a lot of reckonings.
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Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdRmR-jr9rA A 2nd civil war won't be clean like the first, I think a lot of people are just going to take advantage of the chaos with no particular political ideology and just start killing everyone. View Quote How was the 1st one clean? |
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Quoted: It’s gonna be random OKC style events and assassinations. I predict it will be similar to the Irish troubles. View Quote Most likely this, and more than half the killing won't be this side versus that side, it will be people on your own side killing you for imagined slights or to take your shit while blaming it on the "other side". If we really did CW2, "Jesse Plemons" wouldn't last a week. Stupid dickheads like that will be the first to get shot in the back from the other end of the road. Talk to people who were deployed in Iraq and didn't spend the whole time in the FOB on their PS2. Iraqis gleefully murdered the shit out of each other under the guise of "us versus them". |
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Quoted: It’s not going to be a clearly cut “whos side are you on” It’s gonna be guerrilla warfare and it is going to be a slow roll for a decade or so. It’s not going to flash in a pan, or go to war. It’s gonna be random OKC style events and assassinations. I predict it will be similar to the Irish troubles. That’s my thoughts, not sure it’s going to be true or not View Quote You're closer to me truth than you think. |
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I need that on a t shirt |
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You rural boys are going to miss a hell of a show. That's for sure.
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Quoted: Well.. he's right. A gun is a crew served weapon. He has a rifle or a carbine View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: 30 years ago when I was building my ranch house in BFE Arizona, I visited my neighbor about 1/4 mile away. There were some 5.56 casings scattered on the ground, and I brought that up in the conversation and he said "I don't own any guns, just an AR." He was completely sincere in the statement. He simply didn't connect owning one AR as having guns. Well.. he's right. A gun is a crew served weapon. He has a rifle or a carbine Not ever'body served...an' even fewer served as a Cannon Cocker or Gunner's Mate LOL Proper term for an AR = Rifle (weren't just Marines got to sing that song in their underwaer if they got caught calling it a "gun") LOL. |
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No comments on the guy (twice) saying "Chy-na" as if imitating Trump?
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Quoted: Yup. People ask, “ you are you going to fight ? The gov ? lol, they have tanks ! Some people will fight the military, some will attack whatever gov agents they see mailman to mayor, but many will go after everyday citizens who they believe are responsible for their problems. Purple hair ? Lgbtq bumper sticker ? Trump bumper stickers? POP, POP, POP. You might be perfectly safe in one area with your political shirt, lgbtq bumper sticker, green hair, feminist t shirt, but murdered instantly in a different area , all depends on the local make up of neighbors. People using voter rolls to pick and choose targets, stop someone, or look up neighbors , coworkers, etc pull up their social media likes, posts etc, “ oh you support X,Y,Z ? Your a registered dem / repub ? You voted for / had a xyz election sign in your yard ? POP, POP, POP. Use the chaos to settle scores, burn down their ex wife’s house, snipe their annoying neighbor, boss, ex, dude your wife cheated with and it’s blamed on liberal / conservative death squads. View Quote Right you are! Grey Man Concept The Nail That Sticks Up Gets Hammered God Bless |
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Quoted: I saw a lot of that first hand in Iraq, 2006. Saddam was gone, the government was in chaos, and stability that once existed was gone. The Iraqis had a lot of scores to settle and settle them they did. Probably Sunni/Shia beefs or old grudges of a personal nature. I recall one instance above the rest. We rolled up on this small village outside Baghdad in a 3 vehicle convoy. We were just doing a small movement between bases with a few guys. We encountered some kind of skirmish going on. A small village off the road was being shot at by a couple shooters in high grass on a small hill overlooking it nearby. We gathered that it a couple shooters from another village or sect settling a score with this village. The local villagers were lightly armed and on the defensive. The shooters weren't targeting us even though they had the opportunity. I saw some Iraqi get chopped up with a good burst from an AK, with at least 2 hits center mass. He was wearing one of those all-white man dresses, and it got soaked in blood fast. The shooters bugged out quick, not wanting to get a few belts from our 240s on our Humvees (I was a gunner on one of them). Some of the villagers loaded the guy into a beat up car, and drove off. The villagers were pissed since we didn't engage. Our LT gave us orders not to unless we took fire. We rolled out shortly after, not winning many hearts and minds. Not the best war story I guess, but it shows how things escalate when people feel law and order doesn't exist. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Research the Balkan Wars Anyone that ever had a beef with anyone else started shooting as soon as the people in charge were too chaotic to stop them That's what's going to happen here I saw a lot of that first hand in Iraq, 2006. Saddam was gone, the government was in chaos, and stability that once existed was gone. The Iraqis had a lot of scores to settle and settle them they did. Probably Sunni/Shia beefs or old grudges of a personal nature. I recall one instance above the rest. We rolled up on this small village outside Baghdad in a 3 vehicle convoy. We were just doing a small movement between bases with a few guys. We encountered some kind of skirmish going on. A small village off the road was being shot at by a couple shooters in high grass on a small hill overlooking it nearby. We gathered that it a couple shooters from another village or sect settling a score with this village. The local villagers were lightly armed and on the defensive. The shooters weren't targeting us even though they had the opportunity. I saw some Iraqi get chopped up with a good burst from an AK, with at least 2 hits center mass. He was wearing one of those all-white man dresses, and it got soaked in blood fast. The shooters bugged out quick, not wanting to get a few belts from our 240s on our Humvees (I was a gunner on one of them). Some of the villagers loaded the guy into a beat up car, and drove off. The villagers were pissed since we didn't engage. Our LT gave us orders not to unless we took fire. We rolled out shortly after, not winning many hearts and minds. Not the best war story I guess, but it shows how things escalate when people feel law and order doesn't exist. Quoted: In Bosnia people quickly Balkanized, your not safe if you stick out / are different. a conservatives not safe in liberal area, purple hair gets you shot in conservative area, democrats encouraged to move out of repub area, basically birds of a feather start flocking together. You either voluntarily move, are forced to move, house burned, etc. Yessiree Bob, the above is ALL true. And probably coming here. Americans built a hell of a Country. Once upon a time we dreamed big and built big. Perhaps after WWI we should have pacified Europe by making them the 49th through 60-something states, eh? LOL And what about WWII? Americans had to be drug, kicking and screaming practically into a war that they didn't want but others in government thought we should be into. So maybe they put a couple of thumbs on the scales, or not, then Pearl Harbor happened, and the rest was history. And like WWI after it was done, Americans packed up and...nope. They didn't repeat the biggest mistake of WWI The Treaty of Versailles. They rebuilt Europe and Japan. The Marshall Plan and others going forward was supposed to bring American Democracy to the world. Of course our failure to deal with the Soviets back then ensured a nice almost-forever war in the form of The Cold War. Lots of bucks spent on that. Lots. Lots of techno innovation. Lots of dough going to the MIC and...politicians. How we doing so far? Wag The Dog Shock & Awe Yeah. The people weren't the only ones to learn a lesson or two. The reason we're here is those people in government. Make no mistake who is doing this. To us. |
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Quoted: Lol, you mean the ones traveling along waterways, because every road and bridge has been destroyed/blocked? Those same waterways that are booby trapped? Those same waterways that are presighted with belt feed machine guns at choke points, including specfic assembly areas that have been ranged for overhead fire? Yep when you come out my way and see the kids drone fly over, guess what's next? 30.06 rounds raining down on you from an emplaced M1917 setup for plunging fire. Lol you really think folks out here haven't thought about you useless fucks trying to flee the urban shitholes? Lol you think some of us country folk are itching to use guille suits, suppressors, NODS and thermal on live targets? LOL you won't be laughing if you come out here when SHTF. You will be hog food. Fuckers don't care what city people taste like. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Lol. You’re gonna be so thick with boneheads and their “bug out” packs, they’re going to be bumping into each other. Lol, you mean the ones traveling along waterways, because every road and bridge has been destroyed/blocked? Those same waterways that are booby trapped? Those same waterways that are presighted with belt feed machine guns at choke points, including specfic assembly areas that have been ranged for overhead fire? Yep when you come out my way and see the kids drone fly over, guess what's next? 30.06 rounds raining down on you from an emplaced M1917 setup for plunging fire. Lol you really think folks out here haven't thought about you useless fucks trying to flee the urban shitholes? Lol you think some of us country folk are itching to use guille suits, suppressors, NODS and thermal on live targets? LOL you won't be laughing if you come out here when SHTF. You will be hog food. Fuckers don't care what city people taste like. There will be other issues in rural communities to worry about. Thanks to modern production, just in time deliveries and monoculture crops there will be problems from within. Even small ranches and farms are hard to defend. Hungry neighbors will kill livestock and cut fences once owners turn people away. Only people who stockpile food and water will be able to direct the kind of focus and energy you're talking about and that's going to be a very small portion of the population. Unless you have some very generous farm and ranch owners with a strong communal Outlook. Eta: Say I am one of those unprepared but have a teenage son, am well armed generally well respected but have already been told to pound sand by the local ranchers. I join the security detail, position myself to patrol a sector with a ranch in it.... |
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Quoted: Quoted: It's not going to be a clearly cut "whos side are you on" It's gonna be guerrilla warfare and it is going to be a slow roll for a decade or so. It's not going to flash in a pan, or go to war. It's gonna be random OKC style events and assassinations. I predict it will be similar to the Irish troubles. That's my thoughts, not sure it's going to be true or not Exactly They fought a war against the British... all in the name of "Ireland for the Irish". Now Sinn Feinn is all about "Ireland for everyone *EXCEPT* the Irish". Their government is arresting *TRUE* Irish Patriots for being pissed off about their kids being murdered by MENA migrants. They fought a war for Independence... so they could HAND IT OVER TO AFRICA!? WTF!? Imagine if you went back in time, and told all those IRA types, that the end result of all their sacrifice... would be so that people from Africa could flood their borders... rape their women, and murder their children with IMPUNITY. |
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Quoted: Exactly, where overwhelmingly the citizens have long been disarmed and have ZERO firearms training even if they could access a weapon. Exceptions maybe exist with Switzerland or one of the Scandinavian countries. That’s right. Plus, a lot of them are ex-Mil and so have training, or even if not ex-Mil, as legally-armed civies with CCWs they took at least a few tactical training classes involving ARs or their EDC pistol or both. Think Kyle Rittenhouse or that Elijah dude who deaded the would-be Mall shooter inside like, 9-seconds. And there really isn’t time in this country for the Left to push thru a nationwide (federal) mass disarmament and gun-confiscation program. It would take too long to put it into place and to coordinate all the resources and personnel required to execute it effectively. There would be too many legal roadblocks thrown up immediately against anything that radical, not to mention a number of states would certainly “opt out” of cooperating ….. or else a real CW2 would flair up long before they got very far. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Mass executions are for Europe Exactly, where overwhelmingly the citizens have long been disarmed and have ZERO firearms training even if they could access a weapon. Exceptions maybe exist with Switzerland or one of the Scandinavian countries. In the US you won't get far shooting everyone you meet when like 1 in every 8 civilians is armed. That’s right. Plus, a lot of them are ex-Mil and so have training, or even if not ex-Mil, as legally-armed civies with CCWs they took at least a few tactical training classes involving ARs or their EDC pistol or both. Think Kyle Rittenhouse or that Elijah dude who deaded the would-be Mall shooter inside like, 9-seconds. And there really isn’t time in this country for the Left to push thru a nationwide (federal) mass disarmament and gun-confiscation program. It would take too long to put it into place and to coordinate all the resources and personnel required to execute it effectively. There would be too many legal roadblocks thrown up immediately against anything that radical, not to mention a number of states would certainly “opt out” of cooperating ….. or else a real CW2 would flair up long before they got very far. I've said it for years that the matter of the 2A is decided. They lack the forces to round them up before attrition wears out their forces even in places like CA and NY. Government lacks the ability to track everyone with a workshop capable of printing or machining weapons too. Maybe if they get CBDC they can start again to really cut into that ability to produce, but it would be incredibly difficult to do so even with the ability to monitor every transaction. Even worse for them even if they did stop any future guns tonight how many decades has this country been purchasing more small arms and ammo than the largest national standing armies each year. There are litterally mountains of guns and ammo already in civilian hands. |
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Quoted: Yup. People ask, " you are you going to fight ? The gov ? lol, they have tanks ! Some people will fight the military, some will attack whatever gov agents they see mailman to mayor, but many will go after everyday citizens who they believe are responsible for their problems. Purple hair ? Lgbtq bumper sticker ? Trump bumper stickers? POP, POP, POP. You might be perfectly safe in one area with your political shirt, lgbtq bumper sticker, green hair, feminist t shirt, but murdered instantly in a different area , all depends on the local make up of neighbors. People using voter rolls to pick and choose targets, stop someone, or look up neighbors , coworkers, etc pull up their social media likes, posts etc, " oh you support X,Y,Z ? Your a registered dem / repub ? You voted for / had a xyz election sign in your yard ? POP, POP, POP. Use the chaos to settle scores, burn down their ex wife's house, snipe their annoying neighbor, boss, ex, dude your wife cheated with and it's blamed on liberal / conservative death squads. View Quote I tell you right now, I dont think leftists really have to worry about that so much. |
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