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Posted: 3/20/2018 9:56:00 PM EDT
[#1]
Dem bridges tho
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Posted: 3/20/2018 9:56:14 PM EDT
[#2]
it would be the same outcome imho
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Posted: 3/20/2018 9:56:32 PM EDT
[#3]
Better medical training saves at least 5000 lives.
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Posted: 3/20/2018 9:56:45 PM EDT
[#4]
With same people in charge , same results.
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Posted: 3/20/2018 9:57:45 PM EDT
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With same people in charge , same results. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 9:59:56 PM EDT
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When I went in to the Corps ground moving target was a fairly recent advance in air to ground radar. I always thought that would have been hell on the NVA supply line. Instead of saturation bombing the ho chi min trail we would have been able to pick out the actual targets saving a lot of money on ordnance.
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:00:05 PM EDT
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IMO, better medical, night time capability, and close air support could make a big difference.
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:00:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
With same people in charge , same results. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:01:42 PM EDT
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Wasn't the tech or the men fighting. It was leadership from POTUS on down that munked up that outcome.
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:02:01 PM EDT
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Would the politicians still screw it up?
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:02:13 PM EDT
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Unless modern technology somehow caused the US to March north of the DMZ the out come would be the same.
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:03:16 PM EDT
[#12]
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Wasn't the tech or the men fighting. It was leadership from POTUS on down that munked up that outcome. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:03:56 PM EDT
[#13]
Would advancements in thermal and NV have helped. I'm not really sure what they had at the time, but know NV was used in a much simpler form in WWII.
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:04:23 PM EDT
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Helicopters and typical fixed wing CAS would have a very rough time with all the MANPADS the enemy would flood the battlespace with...
not terrain well suited to armor or mech infantry (our strengths along with Air)... It would still be a muddy, bloody counterinsurgency nightmare in the jungle. Drones with Thermal & Night vision would be helpful on our side, but a resourceful enemy (especially well stocked with MANPADS) who could tunnel, blend into the city and infiltrate the "Allied forces" would be formidable... Again, public opinion and cost of the war would be ample reason not to get in, or to stay in... |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:04:41 PM EDT
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It wasn't the tech that made Vietnam go the way that it did. It was policy and doctrine.
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:04:43 PM EDT
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I'm thinking night vision and thermal would have been a game changer at the individual level, as well as modern body armor. Doubt the overall results would be any different though.
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:04:58 PM EDT
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If we were 'ALLOWED' to fight the the Vietnam war with the 'THEN' military technology - IMO, the outcome would have been totally different!!!!!
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:05:11 PM EDT
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Better medical resources and body armor would have saved lives. Drones, apaches, reliable ammo, more frequent ammo cleaning schedules, night vision, IR lasers, would have saved lives.
Fighting a war with body count will never result in a win. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:05:29 PM EDT
[#19]
Are you giving the PAVN modern Russian and Chinese weapons too?
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:05:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Would advancements in thermal and NV have helped. I'm not really sure what they had at the time, but know NV was used in a much simpler form in WWII. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:05:56 PM EDT
[#21]
... it was policy, not military technology that lost that war
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:06:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
With same people in charge , same results. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:07:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
... it was policy, not military technology that lost that war |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:07:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
When I went in to the Corps ground moving target was a fairly recent advance in air to ground radar. I always thought that would have been hell on the NVA supply line. Instead of saturation bombing the ho chi min trail we would have been able to pick out the actual targets saving a lot of money on ordnance. 
You can't be serious. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:07:17 PM EDT
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It would depend, if we conducted the war the exact same way I think we would have the same outcome. The jungle was our stalingrad, soaking up all our advantages and forcing us to fight more on the enemy's terms than our own.
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:07:36 PM EDT
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That's still a fight I wouldn't want to participate in.
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:07:40 PM EDT
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Wasn't the tech or the men fighting. It was leadership from POTUS on down that munked up that outcome. And having a meddling president who in addition to that, also did not want to win becuase of the fear of drawings the chicoms and soviets into a far larger war. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:07:42 PM EDT
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it would be the same outcome imho |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:08:03 PM EDT
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Better medical training saves at least 5000 lives. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:08:54 PM EDT
[#30]
It wasn't our war fighters ability or technology that begat that cluster fuck it was the politicians and leadership that lost.
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:09:38 PM EDT
[#31]
nope. This country doesn't have the will.
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:09:45 PM EDT
[#32]
All I know is Linebacker II with JDAM's would have been impressive.
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:11:36 PM EDT
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More lives saved; however...similar results as we didn't fight to war to win and lots of the enemy targets couldn't be attacked and stupid RoEs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Better medical training saves at least 5000 lives. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:14:34 PM EDT
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The Soviet Union invested a fortune in creating an insurgency in The US against the war effort and we're still feeling the repercussions of their successful efforts today.
Oddly; although The USSR has been dissolved, the communist movement they planted here in America has not only outlived it, but is thriving. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:15:27 PM EDT
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... it was |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:16:16 PM EDT
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The Soviet Union invested a fortune in creating an insurgency in The US against the war effort and we're still feeling the repercussions of their successful efforts today. Oddly; although The USSR has been dissolved, the communist movement they planted here in America has not only outlived it, but is thriving. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:18:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The will to win, or lack thereof. And having a meddling president who in addition to that, also did not want to win becuase of the fear of drawings the chicoms and soviets into a far larger war. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:22:00 PM EDT
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Would the outcome be different? Guided weapons don't do much good if you can't find targets. I guess we could spy the Ho Chi Minh trail with drones and harass the shit out of them with Hellfires. Would taking hills and defending firebases and such be all that much different? The AH-64 would for sure be feared by the enemy more that the UH-1. Abrams and Bradley would likeky make very little difference. Body armor would *greatly* reduce WIA and KIA. Small arms improvements? I guess marginal. Yea, I know that there is no trail today, all hypothetical here. A collection of random thoughts on the topic here. Discuss! The problem with much of the Vietnam war was the complete dumpster fire of strategic policy. Rolling Thunder and the whole incremental bombing campaign/limited targetting was just about the dumbest way to wage a bombing campaign. Many a Vietnamese person had a good laugh about how many times we blew up the same bridges, IIRC they thought we had some kind of bridge fetish. We had no problem at all finding targets to hit, we just couldn't hit the best ones because DC said so. You can have the absolute best equipment available but if DC/politicians that don't know anything other than efficiency reports and not scaring the Russians control everything then you're pissing in the wind. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:22:38 PM EDT
[#39]
What if we used Vietnam era tactics in Iraq & Afghanistan?
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:24:41 PM EDT
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In this scenario is today's military constrained with the ROE of the time or do we get Mattis style ROE?
In this scenario do we get yesteryear MSM media coverage or do we get today's alternate media ability? |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:24:45 PM EDT
[#41]
The answer is NO because we never lost a battle in Vietnam.
We lost support from the public. Same thing would happen today. In fact it would probably be worse if a Republican we're in office at the time. ETA: The US military could take over the world tomorrow if we really wanted to. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:25:06 PM EDT
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Didn't the US win every battle? |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:25:41 PM EDT
[#43]
I think thermal and night vision would have the most impact overall.
Body armor and better radios for the troops |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:26:30 PM EDT
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Would the outcome be different? Guided weapons don’t do much good if you can’t find targets. I guess we could spy the Ho Chi Minh trail with drones and harass the shit out of them with Hellfires. Would taking hills and defending firebases and such be all that much different? The AH-64 would for sure be feared by the enemy more that the UH-1. Abrams and Bradley would likeky make very little difference. Body armor would *greatly* reduce WIA and KIA. Small arms improvements? I guess marginal. Yea, I know that there is no trail today, all hypothetical here. A collection of random thoughts on the topic here. Discuss! At least in a Vietnam-style scenario. Think Gulf War. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:26:39 PM EDT
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Are you giving the PAVN modern Russian and Chinese weapons too? |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:28:54 PM EDT
[#46]
South Vietnam lacked the ability to refine jet fuel. America refused to sell them and pressured other countries not to either. If they could of actually used their airforce the North Vietnam invasion would of been in for a lot of trouble. I really suspect the whole thing was just to break the will of the American population. The same party that got us into the war was really thorough at making certain the war was lost. It is fishy.
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:31:01 PM EDT
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All I know is Linebacker II with JDAM's would have been impressive. https://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_clown.gif |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:34:30 PM EDT
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Our troops were winning Vietnam.
Idiot ROEs, pussy politicians, and traitorous journalists lost it. Just like today. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:35:48 PM EDT
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Every heard the saying "You won the battle, but lost the war"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't the US win every battle? |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 10:36:54 PM EDT
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South Vietnam lacked the ability to refine jet fuel. America refused to sell them and pressured other countries not to either. If they could of actually used their airforce the North Vietnam invasion would of been in for a lot of trouble. I really suspect the whole thing was just to break the will of the American population. The same party that got us into the war was really thorough at making certain the war was lost. It is fishy. |
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