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Posted: 9/17/2015 9:15:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:15:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAt 6:25, that is one long 5 ton. |
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Posted: 9/18/2015 1:26:21 AM EDT
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some Humvees left behind in Irag
 from c to c-79 copy by Jorge Calzadilla, on Flickr
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 from c to c-73 copy by Jorge Calzadilla, on  from c to c-46 copy 2 by Jorge Calzadilla, on Flickr
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Posted: 9/18/2015 8:09:17 AM EDT
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No spoilers but the boys are gonna build one out of a chop-top bus with a quad .50 in the back, and a 7.62mm mini-gun mounted on a swing pedestal for the passenger to fire out of the front windshield. 
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So weird to run across this thread. I was literally thinking about writing about gun-trucks in the sequel to Gentle Propositions. Thanks for the motivation!  Do eeetttt No spoilers but the boys are gonna build one out of a chop-top bus with a quad .50 in the back, and a 7.62mm mini-gun mounted on a swing pedestal for the passenger to fire out of the front windshield.
I'm not sure a bus chassis has the capacity for carrying much armor. A stripped down cement mixer truck though.... 
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Posted: 9/18/2015 9:00:52 AM EDT
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I forgot where i saw this originally. It's more stealth than outright in your face. Palestinians rigged this dump truck with rocket tubes. They would drive up, lift the bed, and fire away. Then drop the bed and run like a bastard before the gunships showed up. https://texan2driver.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/palestinian-dump-truck-rocket-launcher.jpg?w=468 That's actually pretty damned innovative. |
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Posted: 9/18/2015 12:06:31 PM EDT
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I'm not sure a bus chassis has the capacity for carrying much armor. A stripped down cement mixer truck though.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So weird to run across this thread. I was literally thinking about writing about gun-trucks in the sequel to Gentle Propositions. Thanks for the motivation! Do eeetttt No spoilers but the boys are gonna build one out of a chop-top bus with a quad .50 in the back, and a 7.62mm mini-gun mounted on a swing pedestal for the passenger to fire out of the front windshield.
I'm not sure a bus chassis has the capacity for carrying much armor. A stripped down cement mixer truck though.... Add some drag axles to the bus? |
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Posted: 9/18/2015 12:13:09 PM EDT
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Buddy of mine was in supply, he was involved in the creation of the first few gun trucks. Passed away in 2006. Might be hard to get details. Can someone who was there pm me and maybe we can figure out which ones? He told stories. Can't remember the names of the trucks. He did say the miniguns were a great tool but when firing you couldn't shoot 90 degrees to the truck or it tipped the truck over with the recoil.
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Posted: 9/18/2015 12:37:11 PM EDT
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He did say the miniguns were a great tool but when firing you couldn't shoot 90 degrees to the truck or it tipped the truck over with the recoil. he was shitting you |
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Posted: 9/18/2015 6:05:04 PM EDT
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He did say the miniguns were a great tool but when firing you couldn't shoot 90 degrees to the truck or it tipped the truck over with the recoil. lol |
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Posted: 9/18/2015 6:23:45 PM EDT
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Its kinda sad thinking that only one of the Vietnam era gun trucks survives. A short drive from my house a salvage yard is scrapping 5 -tons from Riley. A number of them that have come through were gun trucks....don't know if any came back from Iraq......but even so its kinda sad seeing them cut up. Kind of sad we don't seem to learn anything and just keep making the same mistakes over and over again. ETA: Hey, look. The Russians do it too: 
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Posted: 9/18/2015 6:56:47 PM EDT
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USAF gun trucks in Iraq. {November 29, 2005}
Click here..... One more. {August 17, 2006} Please click..... 
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Posted: 9/18/2015 8:16:47 PM EDT
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Kind of sad we don't seem to learn anything and just keep making the same mistakes over and over again. ETA: Hey, look. The Russians do it too: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L4hVdhGLzNs/VDZbTTqjHqI/AAAAAAAAQpU/lfUyzfH27Uw/w592-h438-no/zona_ATO_28.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its kinda sad thinking that only one of the Vietnam era gun trucks survives. A short drive from my house a salvage yard is scrapping 5 -tons from Riley. A number of them that have come through were gun trucks....don't know if any came back from Iraq......but even so its kinda sad seeing them cut up. Kind of sad we don't seem to learn anything and just keep making the same mistakes over and over again. ETA: Hey, look. The Russians do it too: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L4hVdhGLzNs/VDZbTTqjHqI/AAAAAAAAQpU/lfUyzfH27Uw/w592-h438-no/zona_ATO_28.jpg Cool a BMD-2. |
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Posted: 9/19/2015 1:56:11 AM EDT
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He did say the miniguns were a great tool but when firing you couldn't shoot 90 degrees to the truck or it tipped the truck over with the recoil. he was shitting you Been fifteen years since that conversation, next year it'll be ten years since he died. I might be remembering it wrong. Anyone know of attempts to mount a Vulcan cannon? |
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Posted: 9/19/2015 3:27:54 AM EDT
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Been fifteen years since that conversation, next year it'll be ten years since he died. I might be remembering it wrong. Anyone know of attempts to mount a Vulcan cannon? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He did say the miniguns were a great tool but when firing you couldn't shoot 90 degrees to the truck or it tipped the truck over with the recoil. he was shitting you Been fifteen years since that conversation, next year it'll be ten years since he died. I might be remembering it wrong. Anyone know of attempts to mount a Vulcan cannon? GAU-19, .50BMG. Still won't tip over a 6 ton vehicle. |
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Posted: 9/19/2015 4:02:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2015 5:53:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2015 8:51:17 AM EDT
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This thread could be cool. That is an m113 APC mounted on a truck, lol that APC weighs 13 tons; besides the engine, suspension & other junk, I don't see how they could have taken enough weight off that for the 5 ton truck it's mounted to 
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Posted: 9/19/2015 8:54:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: that APC weighs 13 tons; besides the engine, suspension & other junk, I don't see how they could have taken enough weight off that for the 5 ton truck it's mounted to Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This thread could be cool. That is an m113 APC mounted on a truck, lol that APC weighs 13 tons; besides the engine, suspension & other junk, I don't see how they could have taken enough weight off that for the 5 ton truck it's mounted to |
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Posted: 9/19/2015 10:52:21 AM EDT
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that APC weighs 13 tons; besides the engine, suspension & other junk, I don't see how they could have taken enough weight off that for the 5 ton truck it's mounted to
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This thread could be cool. That is an m113 APC mounted on a truck, lol that APC weighs 13 tons; besides the engine, suspension & other junk, I don't see how they could have taken enough weight off that for the 5 ton truck it's mounted to
The hull of M113 is aluminum. It was the first aluminum armored vehicle. Air drop weight was 11 tons. Then, take out the engine, transmission, suspension, road wheels, tracks, interior bulkheads, driver station, etc. you might have a five ton aluminum box. 
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Posted: 9/19/2015 11:02:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The hull of M113 is aluminum. It was the first aluminum armored vehicle. Air drop weight was 11 tons. Then, take out the engine, transmission, suspension, road wheels, tracks, interior bulkheads, driver station, etc. you might have a five ton aluminum box. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This thread could be cool. That is an m113 APC mounted on a truck, lol that APC weighs 13 tons; besides the engine, suspension & other junk, I don't see how they could have taken enough weight off that for the 5 ton truck it's mounted to The hull of M113 is aluminum. It was the first aluminum armored vehicle. Air drop weight was 11 tons. Then, take out the engine, transmission, suspension, road wheels, tracks, interior bulkheads, driver station, etc. you might have a five ton aluminum box. |
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Posted: 9/19/2015 1:39:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2015 2:09:32 PM EDT
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The hull of M113 is aluminum. It was the first aluminum armored vehicle. Air drop weight was 11 tons. Then, take out the engine(s), transmission, suspension, road wheels, tracks, interior bulkheads, driver station, etc. you might have a five ton aluminum box. http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/inf/M113/M113_vietnam4.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread could be cool. That is an m113 APC mounted on a truck, lol that APC weighs 13 tons; besides the engine, suspension & other junk, I don't see how they could have taken enough weight off that for the 5 ton truck it's mounted to
The hull of M113 is aluminum. It was the first aluminum armored vehicle. Air drop weight was 11 tons. Then, take out the engine(s), transmission, suspension, road wheels, tracks, interior bulkheads, driver station, etc. you might have a five ton aluminum box. http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/inf/M113/M113_vietnam4.jpg Didn't they use two chevrolet six cylinder engines? Or? |
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Posted: 9/19/2015 2:13:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure a bus chassis has the capacity for carrying much armor. A stripped down cement mixer truck though.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So weird to run across this thread. I was literally thinking about writing about gun-trucks in the sequel to Gentle Propositions. Thanks for the motivation! Do eeetttt No spoilers but the boys are gonna build one out of a chop-top bus with a quad .50 in the back, and a 7.62mm mini-gun mounted on a swing pedestal for the passenger to fire out of the front windshield. I'm not sure a bus chassis has the capacity for carrying much armor. A stripped down cement mixer truck though.... Haha, I ain't sure how I'll write it yet but I'll think of something. The motorpool mechanic character is a bit of a cockeyed-eccentric genius so he has the capacity to whip up some good shit. |
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Posted: 9/19/2015 3:04:36 PM EDT
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Didn't they use two chevrolet six cylinder engines? Or? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread could be cool. That is an m113 APC mounted on a truck, lol that APC weighs 13 tons; besides the engine, suspension & other junk, I don't see how they could have taken enough weight off that for the 5 ton truck it's mounted to
The hull of M113 is aluminum. It was the first aluminum armored vehicle. Air drop weight was 11 tons. Then, take out the engine(s), transmission, suspension, road wheels, tracks, interior bulkheads, driver station, etc. you might have a five ton aluminum box. http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/inf/M113/M113_vietnam4.jpg Didn't they use two chevrolet six cylinder engines? Or? the ones I worked in/on in 74 had Detroit Diesel v-8's IIRC; the bottom wasn't that thick; the back door/ ramp, sides & front were the thickest armor; we had a guy that could pick up the back ramp & close it (if the hydraulics were out  )
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Posted: 9/19/2015 3:15:30 PM EDT
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Thanks. I never knew there was such a thing as an armored gun truck.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 8:26:37 PM EDT
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The M54 series of trucks are rated for 10,000 pounds off road and about 20,000 pounds for road use. So I would think that those trucks could handle the weight good enough. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread could be cool. That is an m113 APC mounted on a truck, lol that APC weighs 13 tons; besides the engine, suspension & other junk, I don't see how they could have taken enough weight off that for the 5 ton truck it's mounted to
The hull of M113 is aluminum. It was the first aluminum armored vehicle. Air drop weight was 11 tons. Then, take out the engine, transmission, suspension, road wheels, tracks, interior bulkheads, driver station, etc. you might have a five ton aluminum box. Yes.......the M35 series is rated for 2.5 tons offroad and 5 tons on road the M54 series is rated for 5 tons offroad and 10 tons onroad Initially some M35 series Deuce and a halfs were used for gun trucks but the switch was soon made to the M54 series 5 tons due to their ability to carry more weight |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 8:28:24 PM EDT
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Thanks. I never knew there was such a thing as an armored gun truck. really? |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 8:34:52 PM EDT
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The hull of M113 is aluminum. It was the first aluminum armored vehicle. Air drop weight was 11 tons. Then, take out the engine, transmission, suspension, road wheels, tracks, interior bulkheads, driver station, etc. you might have a five ton aluminum box. http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/inf/M113/M113_vietnam4.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread could be cool. That is an m113 APC mounted on a truck, lol that APC weighs 13 tons; besides the engine, suspension & other junk, I don't see how they could have taken enough weight off that for the 5 ton truck it's mounted to
The hull of M113 is aluminum. It was the first aluminum armored vehicle. Air drop weight was 11 tons. Then, take out the engine, transmission, suspension, road wheels, tracks, interior bulkheads, driver station, etc. you might have a five ton aluminum box. http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/inf/M113/M113_vietnam4.jpg Being that the M113 was aluminum, I don't understand why they mounted it up on the truck let alone use it? |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 9:43:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2015 8:47:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Being that the M113 was aluminum, I don't understand why they mounted it up on the truck let alone use it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This thread could be cool. That is an m113 APC mounted on a truck, lol that APC weighs 13 tons; besides the engine, suspension & other junk, I don't see how they could have taken enough weight off that for the 5 ton truck it's mounted to The hull of M113 is aluminum. It was the first aluminum armored vehicle. Air drop weight was 11 tons. Then, take out the engine, transmission, suspension, road wheels, tracks, interior bulkheads, driver station, etc. you might have a five ton aluminum box. http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/inf/M113/M113_vietnam4.jpg Being that the M113 was aluminum, I don't understand why they mounted it up on the truck let alone use it? |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 9:45:33 PM EDT
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Just a guess, but it was the best available that could be made to fit on the truck quickly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread could be cool. That is an m113 APC mounted on a truck, lol that APC weighs 13 tons; besides the engine, suspension & other junk, I don't see how they could have taken enough weight off that for the 5 ton truck it's mounted to
The hull of M113 is aluminum. It was the first aluminum armored vehicle. Air drop weight was 11 tons. Then, take out the engine, transmission, suspension, road wheels, tracks, interior bulkheads, driver station, etc. you might have a five ton aluminum box. http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/inf/M113/M113_vietnam4.jpg Being that the M113 was aluminum, I don't understand why they mounted it up on the truck let alone use it? The hulls were from disabled vehicles. The M113's aluminum armor (like the Bradley and LVT7) was good at defeating small arms fire up to 7.62 and shrapnel but were particularly vulnerable to mines, IEDs, and RPGs. I would bet that all of those truck-mounted hulls had been made useless by mines or RPGs (which actually made rather small holes you might not notice in the pics) and stripped for parts before being repurposed as gun trucks. As vulnerable as they were, the aluminum armor of the M113 is way better than the sheets of mild steel you see in a lot of those "hill billy" armoring jobs. |
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