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Posted: 2/27/2024 8:20:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/27/2024 8:23:22 AM EDT
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Got to signal how woke we are by attaching pointless weights to the side of our perfectly balanced lunar lander.
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Posted: 2/27/2024 8:35:52 AM EDT
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Based on every country’s results with unmanned craft, it’s abundantly clear:
1. Humans are needed to actually land with a success rate above 20 percent 2. We never landed in the 60’s and we just can’t figure out how to. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 8:43:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on every country’s results with unmanned craft, it’s abundantly clear: 1. Humans are needed to actually land with a success rate above 20 percent 2. We never landed in the 60’s and we just can’t figure out how to.  |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 8:45:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on every country’s results with unmanned craft, it’s abundantly clear: 1. Humans are needed to actually land with a success rate above 20 percent 2. We never landed in the 60’s and we just can’t figure out how to. My understanding is NASA farmed this whole operation out for like $500 million (making this number up but it's not far off) The moonlanding took something like (again making this up) 2% of our entire GDP at the time. This failure does not mean what you think it does. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 8:49:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My understanding is NASA farmed this whole operation out for like $500 million (making this number up but it's not far off) The moonlanding took something like (again making this up) 2% of our entire GDP at the time. This failure does not mean what you think it does. $125m for this lander. Apollo was closer to 3% of our gdp ($250+ billion) Space tech is hard, especially when you don't have an infinite budget. Nasa has not sent a lander since the 60s and still haven't. This was not a nasa project. They now have some more photos from the landing, it stayed upright for about 35 seconds but still fell over. You have to kill all momentum before you land, and they had lateral movement of just 2-3mph which was enough to tip it over. Furthermore, the psople who watch TV and say this is a failure are doing the same as those who watch TV and spout off that guns are the #1 cause of problems in the world... Trash in trash out. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 8:55:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My understanding is NASA farmed this whole operation out for like $500 million (making this number up but it's not far off) The moonlanding took something like (again making this up) 2% of our entire GDP at the time. This failure does not mean what you think it does. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Based on every country’s results with unmanned craft, it’s abundantly clear: 1. Humans are needed to actually land with a success rate above 20 percent 2. We never landed in the 60’s and we just can’t figure out how to. My understanding is NASA farmed this whole operation out for like $500 million (making this number up but it's not far off) The moonlanding took something like (again making this up) 2% of our entire GDP at the time. This failure does not mean what you think it does. It does mean we’re already littering the lunar surface with Jeff Koons’ garbage. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 8:56:10 AM EDT
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I didn't know it fell over.
Nor do I really care, but it is a little interesting that it did fall over. The excellence that was once this great country, has been abandoned for wokeism and diversity, after all, diversity is our strength, strength to do what is the question. I am sure the company that designed and launched this unmanned probe that didn't land in a usable attitude on the surface of the moon had solid diversity stats for it's employees and management. A company must have it's priorities in order, so it has that going for it. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 8:57:30 AM EDT
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In this thread the rocket surgeons with massive stock market knowledge and experience will tell us what when wrong.
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Posted: 2/27/2024 8:59:38 AM EDT
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Thems the breaks
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:00:09 AM EDT
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So in all of their “what if” scenarios, up righting itself wasn’t
modeled in? |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:00:34 AM EDT
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One milestone in landing vertical - NO HORIZONTAL VELOCITY.
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:04:33 AM EDT
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What kind of engineer doesn't plan for every potential issue?
It tipped over? Fire everyone working on that project. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:07:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In this thread the rocket surgeons with massive stock market knowledge and experience will tell us what when wrong. Here's my modest proposal for a lander design that doesn't tip over.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:08:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One milestone in landing vertical - NO HORIZONTAL VELOCITY. I assume that's even more important with 1/6 earth's gravity. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:09:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One milestone in landing vertical - NO HORIZONTAL VELOCITY. No shit. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:09:53 AM EDT
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So does this company have the right connections to stay afloat and keep trying? I might buy a couple hundred shares if the price dips back to $2-3 and they'll be funded for more missions
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:12:26 AM EDT
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Odysseus had to take an extra orbit to give controllers time to make a perfect landing near the Moon’s south pole due to a laser-guided range finder in-flight malfunction. The laser safety switch, which can only be disabled manually, was not unlocked by company engineers before launch, which resulted in the malfunction being discovered hours before landing.
According to Hansen, the company is still investigating whether an ad-libbed navigation solution used by a NASA-supplied experimental system on the lander caused the spacecraft to land sideways. As stated by the company, Odysseus encountered uneven ground on the lunar surface and tipped over, apparently propped up on a boulder. As a result, its solar panels received less sunlight and its antennae were pointed towards the surface of the moon, which caused some communications to be blocked. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:14:18 AM EDT
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Shoulda been designed with a wider stance and lower center of gravity, maybe. And off-road casters.
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:14:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's my modest proposal for a lander design that doesn't tip over. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/178958/1000007108_jpg-3142803.JPG Odds are the soft ass engineers that designed this thing never threw a punch at one of those (or anything else). |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:16:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Odds are the soft ass engineers that designed this thing never threw a punch at one of those (or anything else). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Here's my modest proposal for a lander design that doesn't tip over. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/178958/1000007108_jpg-3142803.JPG Odds are the soft ass engineers that designed this thing never threw a punch at one of those (or anything else). In Kerbal, I just make the landing legs double extra wide. Works like a charm. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:18:12 AM EDT
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The PRC moon police got to it.
Sounds like more than one person screwed up. Any publicity is good publicity. I bet they more than make up that 35% today. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:20:05 AM EDT
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We should already know how to land on the moon, considering we've done it already. This shouldn't be that hard. We have all these technological advancements, AI, and whatnot, and yet a bunch of chain smoking dudes in short sleeve button downs with slide rules figured out how to throw people up there 50 years ago.
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:21:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In this thread the rocket surgeons with massive stock market knowledge and experience will tell us what when wrong. Any Rocket surgeons who sold their stock Friday who worked there before the public announcement are going to learn what the SEC is. 
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:33:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So does this company have the right connections to stay afloat and keep trying? I might buy a couple hundred shares if the price dips back to $2-3 and they'll be funded for more missions I don't care about the lander but this was my only thought reading the related articles. Unfortunately, their stock chart shows (IMO) a normal pump and dump for now anyways. Declining share price over the last year into news last week of going to the moon which pumped the stock ~4x average. Now we're at 2x average and still dropping. Looks like a complete gamble. News of next lander soon could cause a bull bounceback . . . who knows. They are holding one of the few NASA contracts for dropping "payloads" on the moon's surface so I'm sure that alone is worth something although two of the other 8 approved vendors have basically gone bankrupt (OrbitBeyond and Masten). Reminds me of the other upstarts in tech (arfcom's favorite MVIS certainly being one), nothing for awhile, news promoting pump, the thing never pans out, promises of stuff working out which never do, then share price fades back into obscurity. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:34:27 AM EDT
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Send Elon and The Donald up there to stand the stupid thing back up...
 
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:35:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My understanding is NASA farmed this whole operation out for like $500 million (making this number up but it's not far off) The moonlanding took something like (again making this up) 2% of our entire GDP at the time. This failure does not mean what you think it does. The entire race to the moon cost the US $25 billion dollars. By 1971 those dollars had returned $52 billion in economic growth to the US alone and continues to benefit us today. NASA is the only federal program that can claim such a benefit. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:36:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of engineer doesn't plan for every potential issue? It tipped over? Fire everyone working on that project. Most modern engineers are extremely bad at predicting potential issues, and those who are get treated poorly because they're just "negative Nancies who don't have faith in the team." |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:40:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $125m for this lander. Apollo was closer to 3% of our gdp ($250+ billion) Space tech is hard, especially when you don't have an infinite budget. Nasa has not sent a lander since the 60s and still haven't. This was not a nasa project. They now have some more photos from the landing, it stayed upright for about 35 seconds but still fell over. You have to kill all momentum before you land, and they had lateral movement of just 2-3mph which was enough to tip it over. Furthermore, the psople who watch TV and say this is a failure are doing the same as those who watch TV and spout off that guns are the #1 cause of problems in the world... Trash in trash out. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:50:01 AM EDT
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That was an expensive tip.
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:53:20 AM EDT
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I can’t wait until Elon send up for shits and giggles and sticks the landing on the first try
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Posted: 2/27/2024 9:58:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We should already know how to land on the moon, considering we've done it already. This shouldn't be that hard. We have all these technological advancements, AI, and whatnot, and yet a bunch of chain smoking dudes in short sleeve button downs with slide rules figured out how to throw people up there 50 years ago. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:00:46 AM EDT
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did solar wind blow it over?
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:05:35 AM EDT
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Super small float. Great options trade potential.
It's interesting because the financials haven't changed one bit if the lander is horizontal or vertical. Thinking about buying some today for funsies. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:11:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The laser safety switch, which can only be disabled manually, was not unlocked by company engineers before launch, which resulted in the malfunction being discovered hours before landing. Oh for fucks sake. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:32:46 AM EDT
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I dont understand why no one is talking about the fucking aliens! Their punk kids are lander TIPPING! Our, the Japanese one. THis menace needs to be stopped!
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:36:13 AM EDT
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Didn’t know it fell over. That’s shitty lol
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:37:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh for fucks sake. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The laser safety switch, which can only be disabled manually, was not unlocked by company engineers before launch, which resulted in the malfunction being discovered hours before landing. Oh for fucks sake. I’d have loved to been a fly on the wall for that information reveal. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:46:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: did solar wind blow it over? Moon cat tipped it. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:46:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shoulda been designed with a wider stance and lower center of gravity, maybe. And off-road casters. That’s my thoughts. Something that bites into the ground with enough shock absorption to prevent damage. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:47:08 AM EDT
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Whoops.
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:48:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh for fucks sake. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The laser safety switch, which can only be disabled manually, was not unlocked by company engineers before launch, which resulted in the malfunction being discovered hours before landing. Oh for fucks sake. LOL... I don't know what to say. You BOTH included a manual disable for the laser AND did not checklist it or triple check it. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:50:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't know it fell over. Nor do I really care, but it is a little interesting that it did fall over. The excellence that was once this great country, has been abandoned for wokeism and diversity, after all, diversity is our strength, strength to do what is the question. I am sure the company that designed and launched this unmanned probe that didn't land in a usable attitude on the surface of the moon had solid diversity stats for it's employees and management. A company must have it's priorities in order, so it has that going for it. The lander probably tripped by dragging a foot or clipping a boulder. The pre launch checklist failed to include the laser safety on the LIDAR used for the landing trajectory. The cool part was patching the NASA Navigation Doppler LIDAR into the lander's guidance in about two hours after the disabled LIDAR was discovered. Accidentally according to the story, someone tested it out of sequence early during orbit, and I'll bet that was not done in a vacuum, the entire team was briefed first. Did someone suspect the problem and decide to check? I'd say that is the way to bet. The package for videoing the landing was not dropped. Maybe the effect on mass properties was trivial and negligible. Probably not. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:52:14 AM EDT
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Been watching the stock. Ill get some when/ hits around $4.00.
Failures lead to success. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:52:25 AM EDT
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 I've fallen, and I can't get up! |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:53:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh for fucks sake. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The laser safety switch, which can only be disabled manually, was not unlocked by company engineers before launch, which resulted in the malfunction being discovered hours before landing. Oh for fucks sake. But the feminine penis of the person that was supposed to flip the switch while it was still on earth is beautiful and that's all that matters. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:09:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So in all of their "what if" scenarios, up righting itself wasn't modeled in? What is your weight budget for self righting equipment? You don't understand the weight sensitivity of space vehicles launched from the surface of Earth. Same with ultra fancy shock absorption. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:17:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:26:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on every country’s results with unmanned craft, it’s abundantly clear: 1. Humans are needed to actually land with a success rate above 20 percent 2. We never landed in the 60’s and we just can’t figure out how to. 3. It was tipped over. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:36:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on every country’s results with unmanned craft, it’s abundantly clear: 1. Humans are needed to actually land with a success rate above 20 percent Driving across the country is easier than driving a radio-control car across the country? Yeah that's wild |
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