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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:12:08 PM EST
[#1]
He's like the best gun shitposter to ever exist
He just BTFOs all gun companies constantly. "Here's our new round! It can-" Improved it for u lol |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:14:03 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: M193 vs heavy OTM aside. I have heard iffy things about AAC quality. They are also downloaded velocity wise from what I understand. I personally wouldn't trust AAC for duty use. Remember, something is cheaper for a reason... AAC is pretty hot compared to most match ammo. Definitely not downloaded. I haven't seen any QC issues and I've shot a bunch of it. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:15:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: PO Ackley was so based though. >be random dude >be proficient in math >improves ur cartridge >doesn't elaborate >leaves Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case  M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy M193 EHRRTHING M193 is pretty based ngl I like them speedy bois. Bought another case of 115 gr 9mm yesterday. Couldn't help myself. Speedy BOOOOOOIS 147GR ONLY  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT7AR4nt0WA I wish I could find an old school gun video. It was a guy shooting 40gr varmint bullets from a 20" 1/7. The rotation was exploding the thin jackets about 25yds from the barrel ?????? What r u doing I'M GONNA SPIN THE SHIT OUTTA THESE BULLETS- OH FUCK IF THE BULLET DOES NOT SELF DISASSEMBLE IS IT REALLY FAST ENOUGH? 17 INCINERATOR A 50 BMG NECKED DOWN TO .17 WE'RE GOING TO PUT SO MUCH POWDER BEHIND THAT FUCKER ALSO BARREL LIFE IS TWO SHOTS https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f676018ec6670d1c66c6311ce92fbf56-lq https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/tumblr_inline_mqrh26jIU11qz4rgp-1477534.jpg AR15 CHAMBERED IN 220 SWIFT 4,500FPS MINIMUM IS REQUIRED There are just some dumb calibers out there. ?? People really need to knock it off. PO Ackley was so based though. >be random dude >be proficient in math >improves ur cartridge >doesn't elaborate >leaves ?? |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:17:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ?? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy M193 EHRRTHING M193 is pretty based ngl I like them speedy bois. Bought another case of 115 gr 9mm yesterday. Couldn't help myself. Speedy BOOOOOOIS 147GR ONLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT7AR4nt0WAI wish I could find an old school gun video. It was a guy shooting 40gr varmint bullets from a 20" 1/7. The rotation was exploding the thin jackets about 25yds from the barrel ?????? What r u doing I'M GONNA SPIN THE SHIT OUTTA THESE BULLETS- OH FUCK IF THE BULLET DOES NOT SELF DISASSEMBLE IS IT REALLY FAST ENOUGH? 17 INCINERATOR A 50 BMG NECKED DOWN TO .17 WE'RE GOING TO PUT SO MUCH POWDER BEHIND THAT FUCKER ALSO BARREL LIFE IS TWO SHOTS https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f676018ec6670d1c66c6311ce92fbf56-lq https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/tumblr_inline_mqrh26jIU11qz4rgp-1477534.jpg AR15 CHAMBERED IN 220 SWIFT 4,500FPS MINIMUM IS REQUIRED There are just some dumb calibers out there. ?? People really need to knock it off. PO Ackley was so based though. >be random dude >be proficient in math >improves ur cartridge >doesn't elaborate >leaves ?? That's a nice cartridge u got there. Be a shame if someone IMPROVED IT |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:41:31 PM EST
[#5]
Active Junky pays 2% back for PSA. That covers most of shipping. I just ordered the 77 grain OTM for $0.56/round shipped (not including sales tax, since that is variable).
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:49:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Active Junky pays 2% back for PSA. That covers most of shipping. I just ordered the 77 grain OTM for $0.56/round shipped (not including sales tax, since that is variable). I forgot all about active junky!!! I remember I used it some years back for some deal. I don't recall how it works though!!! |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:49:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Active Junky pays 2% back for PSA. That covers most of shipping. I just ordered the 77 grain OTM for $0.56/round shipped (not including sales tax, since that is variable). Good call! Forgot about Active Junky. Guess I’ll make sure to order via them. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:52:15 PM EST
[#8]
Here are some Vel Averages out of my KAC LPR
AAC 75 OTM 2718 AAC 77 OTM 2691 AAC 77 SMK 2760 AAC 69 OTM 2892 |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:58:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I forgot all about active junky!!! I remember I used it some years back for some deal. I don't recall how it works though!!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Active Junky pays 2% back for PSA. That covers most of shipping. I just ordered the 77 grain OTM for $0.56/round shipped (not including sales tax, since that is variable). I forgot all about active junky!!! I remember I used it some years back for some deal. I don't recall how it works though!!! Just log into your AJ account through the AJ website, then search "palmetto". Enter the PSA website through AJ and the sale will be logged. AJ then sends you a check every 3 or 6 months (i forget which). It's definitely legit. Cash back varies by vendor. Sportsmans Guide often has very good % cash back. Academy is also a AJ vendor. Maybe Scheels, too. PM me if you want a referral link that will give us both an additional $5 when you make your first order through them. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 2:34:44 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here are some Vel Averages out of my KAC LPR AAC 75 OTM 2718 AAC 77 OTM 2691 AAC 77 SMK 2760 AAC 69 OTM 2892 Based LPR enjoyer |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 9:01:51 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can get Southern Munitions Reman 55s for .36 cpr. Pass on any reloaded/reman ammo. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 9:05:57 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny enough Winchester was running rebates this time last year. Got price per round under .30 if I remember right. Yup, something like 280 per K. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:04:30 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pass on any reloaded/reman ammo. I think the primary question is how much do you practice? If you shoot a lot then.. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 3:59:42 AM EST
[#14]
55cpr for the AAC 77gr is a great price. shoots "almost" as well as my dwindling stash of CBC 77gr and IMI 77gr.
I think gel testing shows it's a pretty good performer also. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 6:06:13 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait for the daily deals. And it’s their Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No .55 TMK anywhere on thier site Wait for the daily deals. And it’s their No, he said it's not there. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 6:10:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I got cases of 1000 5.56mm for $89 as recently as 2012. Newb. That was 12 years ago LOTS of stuff was cheaper pre-COVID, pre-Biden/Harris.
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Posted: 9/16/2024 6:11:56 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You will never see .22 bread case 5.56 again on the retail market. I don't know what this means. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 6:18:25 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Reload for significantly cheaper. That's hard to do unless you have components stacked from when they were much cheaper. I'm still loading 55g blasting ammo from when primers were $130-$140 per 5k. Powder was $140 per 8lb and 55g Winchester bulk packs were $300 per 6800 in bulk from Wideners. Don't have a lot of any of that left. But I can still load from that stash. Today's pricing? It would be hard to load and save an appreciable amount. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 7:00:15 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As barrels get shorter, alternatives to M193 start to make more sense. My 2 5.56 SBR's have 10.5" 1-7" barrels. They only get fed 77g Sierra BTHP's of my loading. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 7:05:40 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish I could find an old school gun video. It was a guy shooting 40gr varmint bullets from a 20" 1/7. The rotation was exploding the thin jackets about 25yds from the barrel When I was working up a load for my Rem 700 .17 Rem, when passed 4050fps over my Oehler chronograph, the bullets would shed the jacket about 40-50' from the muzzle. The little grey "poof" was pretty funny. Settled on the Varget loading that would would get a consistent 4050fps. Barrel was pretty warm after 10-12 rounds. It doesn't get shot a lot. But when it does, the Berger 25g varmint bullets turn a groundhog inside out. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 7:26:23 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Components aren’t getting any cheaper or more available to manufacturers so…. Just bought a pound of IMR4895 for $61.00 I paid about $5 less a month or two ago at the same store. 
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Posted: 9/16/2024 7:28:42 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's no need to buy m193 anymore when PSA makes 77gr OTM ammo for the same price And my rifles i have shot it through love it! They need a separate building/line to make that stuff 24/7 brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 7:32:41 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You realize there is more that goes into the cartridge than just the bullet right? Lots of issues with AAC ammo. Trust it as duty ammo at your own risk! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: People are advocating stocking up on AAC OTM for actual serious use (not as training / practice ammo). They are then comparing AAC OTM prices to M193 prices as a reason to stock up on it. You realize there is more that goes into the cartridge than just the bullet right? Lots of issues with AAC ammo. Trust it as duty ammo at your own risk! What testing can you cite for these issues? |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:15:35 AM EST
[#24]
For anyone who has swapped or alternated between M193 and one of the 77 gr. OTM flavors, have you seen a large POI change? My rifles are zeroed with Speer Gold Dot 62 gr. and they all shoot M193 good enough for range/class/training use.
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:18:06 AM EST
[#25]
Ooh, could psa start making flight control buckshot?
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:19:59 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Components aren’t getting any cheaper or more available to manufacturers so…. So components for firearm manufacturing are cheaper now? |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:21:01 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For anyone who has swapped or alternated between M193 and one of the 77 gr. OTM flavors, have you seen a large POI change? My rifles are zeroed with Speer Gold Dot 62 gr. and they all shoot M193 good enough for range/class/training use.  Attached FileDecide for yourself The target on the left is with my m193 clone reloads. The target on the right is with my 77gr tmk reloads. Both shot prone at 200 yards. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:25:58 AM EST
[#28]
Probably. One of the industry partners stated in a recent thread that his cost for pallet quantities worth of ammo was 1 cent less per box than what the online retailers were selling it for. It doesn’t seem like there’s a lot of profit in it.
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:27:04 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For anyone who has swapped or alternated between M193 and one of the 77 gr. OTM flavors, have you seen a large POI change? My rifles are zeroed with Speer Gold Dot 62 gr. and they all shoot M193 good enough for range/class/training use. You're going to see POI changes between ammo types. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:29:57 AM EST
[#30]
Am I in before SaLaD dAyZzzzz??
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:32:34 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny enough Winchester was running rebates this time last year. Got price per round under .30 if I remember right. Yeah. I remember. I got a case of Winchester for $300 after the rebate. But it was only good for 1.5 cases and prices went way up right after that. BTW it was good Lake City ammo. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:32:51 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: SGAmmo has lots for about $.46/rnd But but but the emails are scary!!! |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:35:02 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its possible for it break back into the 40s if the Ukraine war ends and no others start. Start hoarding now, when China war starts, there will be no ammo available. Unless you are drafted, then there will be plenty for you to shoot, courtesy of the US Army.  |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:46:13 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Components aren’t getting any cheaper or more available to manufacturers so…. So….what? |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:54:48 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're going to see POI changes between ammo types. Yeah but they're pretty negligible at ranges inside of 100 yards. After a lifetime of shooting a bunch of different ARs I'd say perhaps 80-90%% of them will shoot multiple loads to within 2MOA of each other (55 to 77 grain, anyway) out to 200+ yards. Pencil barrels might be a hair more finicky but not by much. Remember that *HONEST* group sizes with M193 won't likely ever go much below 3moa. There's every chance that a high-quality 69/75/77 match type load will shoot much tighter groups than M193 but that group will likely land at least partially within the larger ~3moa group you'll get from M193. I doubt that anyone ever zeroes with a quality 75-77 grain load then notices any appreciable POI shift at all on an inside-100-yard training course. Doubly so if you're shooting at typical inside-50-feet distances. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:57:25 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's due to conflicts also. I remember an online vendor showing 99+ in stock $450 per 1,000 rounds and it never changed. I thought they might actually reduce the price for whatever sale. Then one day out of stock. Considering the timing I thought it was bought up and sent to Ukraine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There are a lot of conflicts going on right now, I wouldn't be surprised if that has something to do with it. Even if the ammunition isn't being diverted, the need for the same raw materials will probably put upwards pressure on the cost to produce. I think it's due to conflicts also. I remember an online vendor showing 99+ in stock $450 per 1,000 rounds and it never changed. I thought they might actually reduce the price for whatever sale. Then one day out of stock. Considering the timing I thought it was bought up and sent to Ukraine. This happened to all the 7.62x39 right at the onset of the Ukraine war as well. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 9:18:08 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Start hoarding now, when China war starts, there will be no ammo available. Unless you are drafted, then there will be plenty for you to shoot, courtesy of the US Army. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Its possible for it break back into the 40s if the Ukraine war ends and no others start. Start hoarding now, when China war starts, there will be no ammo available. Unless you are drafted, then there will be plenty for you to shoot, courtesy of the US Army. Another war or season of riots... Pick one or all of the above. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:01:30 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're going to see POI changes between ammo types. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For anyone who has swapped or alternated between M193 and one of the 77 gr. OTM flavors, have you seen a large POI change? My rifles are zeroed with Speer Gold Dot 62 gr. and they all shoot M193 good enough for range/class/training use. You're going to see POI changes between ammo types. You won't if you're bad enough at shooting. 
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:06:01 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but they're pretty negligible at ranges inside of 100 yards. After a lifetime of shooting a bunch of different ARs I'd say perhaps 80-90%% of them will shoot multiple loads to within 2MOA of each other (55 to 77 grain, anyway) out to 200+ yards. Pencil barrels might be a hair more finicky but not by much. Remember that *HONEST* group sizes with M193 won't likely ever go much below 3moa. There's every chance that a high-quality 69/75/77 match type load will shoot much tighter groups than M193 but that group will likely land at least partially within the larger ~3moa group you'll get from M193. I doubt that anyone ever zeroes with a quality 75-77 grain load then notices any appreciable POI shift at all on an inside-100-yard training course. Doubly so if you're shooting at typical inside-50-feet distances. Yes, it's very common for competitors to shoot 75-77 grain ammo at long range but use their 55 grain ammo for short courses and accept the POI differences. SuperSetCA just did a zeroing video where he mentions this too. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:15:03 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, it's very common for competitors to shoot 75-77 grain ammo at long range but use their 55 grain ammo for short courses and accept the POI differences. SuperSetCA just did a zeroing video where he mentions this too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah but they're pretty negligible at ranges inside of 100 yards. After a lifetime of shooting a bunch of different ARs I'd say perhaps 80-90%% of them will shoot multiple loads to within 2MOA of each other (55 to 77 grain, anyway) out to 200+ yards. Pencil barrels might be a hair more finicky but not by much. Remember that *HONEST* group sizes with M193 won't likely ever go much below 3moa. There's every chance that a high-quality 69/75/77 match type load will shoot much tighter groups than M193 but that group will likely land at least partially within the larger ~3moa group you'll get from M193. I doubt that anyone ever zeroes with a quality 75-77 grain load then notices any appreciable POI shift at all on an inside-100-yard training course. Doubly so if you're shooting at typical inside-50-feet distances. Yes, it's very common for competitors to shoot 75-77 grain ammo at long range but use their 55 grain ammo for short courses and accept the POI differences. SuperSetCA just did a zeroing video where he mentions this too. Also, completely agree with Whiskers that PO Ackley was essentially doing Jurassic age paper shiposting with some of his stuff, especially intentionally blowing up guns, and disproving excessive headspace as a KB cause. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:22:01 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They're not using 55 grain M193 projectiles for short distance high power, those projectiles are gross for accuracy, they may use bullets in that weight class though. I.E. I shot 52/55/60 grain varmint bullets for years for <300 high power. The added benefit is they were also a perfectly good woodchuck chuck choice. Also, completely agree with Whiskers that PO Ackley was essentially doing Jurassic age paper shiposting with some of his stuff, especially intentionally blowing up guns, and disproving excessive headspace as a KB cause. Sorry, by competition, I'm talking the action sports - 2gun, 3gun, etc.. where you have a mix of short bay courses and long range |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:25:49 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ooh, could psa start making flight control buckshot? Would buy without a second thought. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:33:46 AM EST
[#43]
My will states that my ammo fort will be burned with me in the Viking funeral.
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:43:16 AM EST
[#44]
Gun cotton is in short supply because of the war in Ukraine. Copper/brass has risen for the same reason. I reload and purchased large quantities of supplies decades ago when they were cheap. Really cheap. I never saw a sale that I didn't like.
Reloading isn't what it used to be. Current prices have made it a wash if you are buying/shooting ball ammo. The only advantage is knowing you are self-sufficient when times get hard. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:47:56 AM EST
[#45]
in italy i can still find 150 rd boxes of 55gr. GECO ammo for 0.55 $. And believe me it's cheap.
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:48:55 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, by competition, I'm talking the action sports - 2gun, 3gun, etc.. where you have a mix of short bay courses and long range Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They're not using 55 grain M193 projectiles for short distance high power, those projectiles are gross for accuracy, they may use bullets in that weight class though. I.E. I shot 52/55/60 grain varmint bullets for years for <300 high power. The added benefit is they were also a perfectly good woodchuck chuck choice. Also, completely agree with Whiskers that PO Ackley was essentially doing Jurassic age paper shiposting with some of his stuff, especially intentionally blowing up guns, and disproving excessive headspace as a KB cause. Sorry, by competition, I'm talking the action sports - 2gun, 3gun, etc.. where you have a mix of short bay courses and long range Depends on the size of the targets. 2" at 200 yards yeah I'm not using m193. 8"? No problem whatsoever. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:54:02 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends on the size of the targets. 2" at 200 yards yeah I'm not using m193. 8"? No problem whatsoever. Same. If it's a 200yd gong/flasher, I shoot M193. I switch out after that. Sometimes, I switch out if it's really windy. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 5:19:19 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Same. If it's a 200yd gong/flasher, I shoot M193. I switch out after that. Sometimes, I switch out if it's really windy. All the more reason (at current prices) to just skip M193 and go to the 77 gr. OTM. This thread has changed my outlook on my ammo prep plans for the next few months. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 6:19:07 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pass on any reloaded/reman ammo. This. If time this. Only reloads I will shoot are mine and I only reload for precision not quantity. Would rather last commie steel case than someone else's reloads |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 6:20:53 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Start hoarding now, when China war starts, there will be no ammo available. Unless you are drafted, then there will be plenty for you to shoot, courtesy of the US Army. My battalion once blew through its ammo allotment .I am sure the Army figured a way to prevent that from happening by now |
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