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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:12:59 AM EDT
I was thinking this morning, are we still producing and carrying m855 in general for the .mil or are they producing m855a1 only now?
I wonder how many billions of M193 are in inventory from Vietnam? Random thoughts for a Wednesday morning 
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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:34:47 AM EDT
[#1]
I prefer M193 over M855
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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:44:05 AM EDT
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Quoted: I was thinking this morning, are we still producing and carrying m855 in general for the .mil or are they producing m855a1 only now? I wonder how many billions of M193 are in inventory from Vietnam? Random thoughts for a Wednesday morning Officially the Marines have “switched” but they still use 855 because the A1 does not play well with the M27 |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:44:49 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer M193 over M855 #metoo |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:52:50 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer M193 over M855 Same here, M193 rocks! |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:56:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Officially the Marines have “switched” but they still use 855 because the A1 does not play well with the M27 Thanks that’s the meat in this stew! |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:57:50 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer M193 over M855 |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 7:03:28 AM EDT
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It never was….
M193 ETA: remember one of our Dumocratic overlords passed a law prohibiting sale of .mil surplus ammo due to “weapons of war,” which was why XM193 & XM855 by Federal remained popular. Also, IMI, now known as IWI currently, is shiny mil-spec, if XM dull & scratched US cases are off-putting & shiny is preferred. I don’t mean the Firefly “shiny” if I’m confusing anyone. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 7:34:18 AM EDT
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There may be some entities still using regular ol 855, but I haven’t seen anything but A1 in at least a couple years.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 7:38:45 AM EDT
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AF uses what the marine corps used for a while. Mark 302 mod 1 or something like that. You experts will remember it, it’s an open tip full copper jacket round with no lead core instead of the hybrid m855a1.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:11:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AF uses what the marine corps used for a while. Mark 302 mod 1 or something like that. You experts will remember it, it’s an open tip full copper jacket round with no lead core instead of the hybrid m855a1. Mk318 |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:13:23 AM EDT
[#11]
The only reason I own M855 is because you people created a scare thread saying it was going to be banned in 2018. Cost me $1.30 per round.
 M193 aka Q3131 is better. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:26:56 AM EDT
[#12]
I see some limited appeal to keeping a little M855 on hand.
Mostly using as a penetration means |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:31:35 AM EDT
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I've seen nothing but M855A1 since at least 2020.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:39:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mk318 Second that. My round of choice for my SBR home defense rifle. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:39:48 AM EDT
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It’s largely been replaced by 855a1. I haven’t seen any 855 in years.
Quoted: Second that. My round of choice for my SBR home defense rifle. It’s a superb round and a good choice. Shame the usmc couldn’t keep it instead of more or less being forced to the a1 Quoted: Officially the Marines have “switched” but they still use 855 because the A1 does not play well with the M27 Stateside, deployment, or just for training to reduce wear on weapons? Thanks for the info! |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:43:42 AM EDT
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Handloaded clone of Mk 262 mod 0. Eviscerated groundhogs from 10 to about 80.yards. Only limited by my mediocre marksmanship. Oddly enough, it keyholed slightly at 25 yds, then straightened out by 50. Sierra 77 gr Match Kings out of a 16" 1/9 barrel. Hornady 75s keyholed bad when I managed to hit the target.
M193 is still my first choice for a 16" barrel. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:51:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer M193 over M855 Wish an effort would be placed to d/c m855 altogether and manufacture more accurate and maybe slightly hotter m193 for all. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:03:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There may be some entities still using regular ol 855, but I haven’t seen anything but A1 in at least a couple years. This was my experience up until I got out in 2019. M855A1 only seen since about 2015-ish for me. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:11:47 AM EDT
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I think I have probably 10-11k of ss109 stacked back. I used my border money to buy 5 cases when it was still expensive. Shame it hasn’t come down yet.
I wish 262 or 318 was more available but ss109 was dropping dudes years before any of those other options were on the market. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:13:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AF uses what the marine corps used for a while. Mark 302 mod 1 or something like that. You experts will remember it, it’s an open tip full copper jacket round with no lead core instead of the hybrid m855a1. Which AF entity uses Mk318? @Matt_Hunter |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:25:02 AM EDT
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Last time I bought 855 was when Walmart was blowing out that zqi stuff. Forgot what it cost. I don't think I shot any of it after checking it. Iirc it was actually pretty accurate.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:28:00 AM EDT
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Everyone knows you have to stagger the rounds in the mag; M193, M855, Mk262, Mk318; it's the only way to be sure...
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:35:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone knows you have to stagger the rounds in the mag; M193, M855, Mk262, Mk318; it's the only way to be sure... Because fuck a zeroed optic, that's why. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:36:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because fuck a zeroed optic, that's why. Exactly. Zeroes and POA/POI.... pshhhhh, totally useless!
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:38:23 AM EDT
[#25]
King of ice-picking wounds and over penetration. Yeah.
I’m probably 20:1 on m193:m855. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:41:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because fuck a zeroed optic, that's why. Dirty secret: Inside of 100-150 yards on a target the size of a pie plate most rifles will put multiple loads on the same target anyway. To be sure, I am insanely OCD about such things, and can count on one hand the times in my life that I have went out with multiple loads for the same rifle, but the reality is, most of the time you would be fine. My experience has been that M193 is realistically 3MOA ammunition, most decent AR15 rifles will put most loads so close to point of impact at 100 yards, that a mixed batch of ammo might be 5MOA at worst. In other words, at typical fighting ranges, it’s not an issue. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:42:02 AM EDT
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After fifty years I don't imagine that there's much 193 from the Viet Nam era still in war stockpiles
Other than what has been shot up here over the decades we've been giving it away to people like afghans |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:43:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mk318 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: AF uses what the marine corps used for a while. Mark 302 mod 1 or something like that. You experts will remember it, it’s an open tip full copper jacket round with no lead core instead of the hybrid m855a1. Mk318 The 318 Mod 1 is war stock ammo based on the 855A1 having an issue with some forms of “barriers” so it was justified as the need for barrier blind ammo. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:44:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s largely been replaced by 855a1. I haven’t seen any 855 in years. It’s a superb round and a good choice. Shame the usmc couldn’t keep it instead of more or less being forced to the a1 Stateside, deployment, or just for training to reduce wear on weapons? Thanks for the info! Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s largely been replaced by 855a1. I haven’t seen any 855 in years. Quoted: Second that. My round of choice for my SBR home defense rifle. It’s a superb round and a good choice. Shame the usmc couldn’t keep it instead of more or less being forced to the a1 Quoted: Officially the Marines have “switched” but they still use 855 because the A1 does not play well with the M27 Stateside, deployment, or just for training to reduce wear on weapons? Thanks for the info! Stateside training, 318 is war stock ammo. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:44:58 AM EDT
[#30]
TMK is best green tip.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:45:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Officially the Marines have “switched” but they still use 855 because the A1 does not play well with the M27 Holy Cow. Surely someone looked at that before the big switch, right? Right? EDIT: Asked and answered up thread. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:47:16 AM EDT
[#32]
I have about 600 rounds of M855 in loaded magazine, and about 500 rounds loaded of a mix of FMJ/Varmint rounds
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:49:34 AM EDT
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Marines are using M855, DODIC A059, today on USMC ranges.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:50:36 AM EDT
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Quoted: Which AF entity uses Mk318? @Matt_Hunter The United States Air Force uses mk318. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:51:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 318 Mod 1 is war stock ammo based on the 855A1 having an issue with some forms of “barriers” so it was justified as the need for barrier blind ammo. I’ve honestly not seen this mk318, what are we talking about here? Bthp, 77 grain or totally different? Copy on giving our old war stock out to other countries, I’d believe it. I’ve not seen m855a1 around here so no first hand experience. I figured the Marjnes had a bunch of m855 stocked since that was the main round for them for a good while? Thanks for the replies so far this is awesome info and discussion! |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:52:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Everyone knows you have to stagger the rounds in the mag; M193, M855, Mk262, Mk318; it's the only way to be sure... 
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:52:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only reason I own M855 is because you people created a scare thread saying it was going to be banned in 2018. Cost me $1.30 per round. M193 aka Q3131 is better. We are not the same. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:52:39 AM EDT
[#38]
I need to get a chronograph, I’d like to test all these for accuracy out of 14.5, 16, and 20” rifles
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:56:00 AM EDT
[#39]
M855 has never been the king of anything. Shit round. M193 if you want cheap and effective.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:56:34 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer M193 over M855 Same here. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:06:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve honestly not seen this mk318, what are we talking about here? Bthp, 77 grain or totally different? Copy on giving our old war stock out to other countries, I’d believe it. I’ve not seen m855a1 around here so no first hand experience. I figured the Marjnes had a bunch of m855 stocked since that was the main round for them for a good while? Thanks for the replies so far this is awesome info and discussion! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The 318 Mod 1 is war stock ammo based on the 855A1 having an issue with some forms of “barriers” so it was justified as the need for barrier blind ammo. I’ve honestly not seen this mk318, what are we talking about here? Bthp, 77 grain or totally different? Copy on giving our old war stock out to other countries, I’d believe it. I’ve not seen m855a1 around here so no first hand experience. I figured the Marjnes had a bunch of m855 stocked since that was the main round for them for a good while? Thanks for the replies so far this is awesome info and discussion! 318 is a 62gr OTM. By all accounts stupid accurate. I like m855 just fine. It works. Got plenty. Still pick it up here and there for stash when good deals are found. Got some of the Colombian stuff from AIM a while back. Getting avg. 3,035fps out of an 18" barrel. Just like Colombian women, hot and spicy. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:07:09 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only reason I own M855 is because you people created a scare thread saying it was going to be banned in 2018. Cost me $1.30 per round. M193 aka Q3131 is better. Luckily all my M855/SS109 is from when Walmart clearanced the Federal cans and the ZQI, but I never seem to shoot it either...
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:12:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The United States Air Force uses mk318. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Which AF entity uses Mk318? @Matt_Hunter The United States Air Force uses mk318. I won’t discount that someone, somewhere may be using Mk318, but it most definitely is not the standard service wide. Where are you seeing Mk318 used? ETA: I’m not seeing Mk318s DODIC on any operational GMAT. Now I’m curious where you’re seeing it used. @Matt_Hunter |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:15:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It never was…. M193 ETA: remember one of our Dumocratic overlords passed a law prohibiting sale of .mil surplus ammo due to “weapons of war,” which was why XM193 & XM855 by Federal remained popular. Also, IMI, now known as IWI currently, is shiny mil-spec, if XM dull & scratched US cases are off-putting & shiny is preferred. I don’t mean the Firefly “shiny” if I’m confusing anyone. As far as M193 and their equivalent rounds I haven't seen Wolf Gold in forever now. Is it not a thing anymore? |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:18:34 AM EDT
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JMHO. Of .gov options
Mk318 MK262 M855A1 Xm556FBIT3 (or whatever- 62 gr lead tip copper base barrier blind - not sure if .mil allowed) m193 M855 Frangible brown tip In that order |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:20:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as M193 and their equivalent rounds I haven't seen Wolf Gold in forever now. Is it not a thing anymore? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It never was…. M193 ETA: remember one of our Dumocratic overlords passed a law prohibiting sale of .mil surplus ammo due to “weapons of war,” which was why XM193 & XM855 by Federal remained popular. Also, IMI, now known as IWI currently, is shiny mil-spec, if XM dull & scratched US cases are off-putting & shiny is preferred. I don’t mean the Firefly “shiny” if I’m confusing anyone. As far as M193 and their equivalent rounds I haven't seen Wolf Gold in forever now. Is it not a thing anymore? Taiwan is probably keeping every round for china |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:21:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JMHO. Of .gov options Mk318 MK262 M855A1 Xm556FBIT3 (or whatever- 62 gr lead tip copper base barrier blind - not sure if .mil allowed) m193 M855 Frangible brown tip In that order You forgot the 70gr “brown tip” Barnes TSX load. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:23:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only reason I own M855 is because you people created a scare thread saying it was going to be banned in 2018. Cost me $1.30 per round. M193 aka Q3131 is better. That was the Obama years |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:24:05 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as M193 and their equivalent rounds I haven't seen Wolf Gold in forever now. Is it not a thing anymore? Here you go... same price as M193 basically. Wolf Gold on Ammoseek |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:25:19 AM EDT
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Wat....I echo everyone elses thoughts....M193 >
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