You don't make them money if you are dead.  They make a lot of you are sick though.  They'll spend a great deal of money making sure society sees drugs as health rather than actually living healthy to avoid looking to drugs.  

As far as knowingly poisoning.  They absolutely will.   What determines whether they put a drug on the market is whether the profit outweighs the potential lawsuits. That's all that safe means.  If they will make enough money and the damages are affordable they'll absolutely sell you the drug and manipulate the data to make you feel safe using it

This is true. They are just giving the people what they want.

Look at Ozempic. They can't make the shit fast enough, fatties love being able to just take a shot to lose weight rather than actually put in some effort.

Cancer isn’t one disease with one cure to be found.  Cure them all and you can make more money treating the next condition that comes up when people survive or don’t get cancer.

There are unethical people in every industry.  My wife would either be dead or have terrible quality of life without big pharma.

Man is mortal.  Nobody stays healthy forever.  The longer people live, the more opportunity you have to make money from them.  The notion that there’s no money in cures is silly and ignores the fact that we have effectively eradicated numerous infectious diseases over the years.

I would argue that Big Pharma is simply an effective aspect of weaponized Capitalism.  Big Ag, Big Finance, etc... are no different, as are countless other industries…..look at where Big Tech has taken us. At least with these other industries they have to buy political  influence, e.g. 60% + of all political donations come out of Big Pharma. With Big Tech they actually modify the social operating environment to achieve their profit goals. The harm to society, our children, etc…is of no consequence in their quest for power and money.

So OP, it's not just Big Pharma. It's capitalism run amok.   I always smile when I see the juvenile comments often posted here in ARF…"Their business, their rules…".  

To your question I think you'll be hard pressed to find a genuine opposing view. Any opposing view is most likely to have been propagated by Big Pharma as a tool of influence.  

Big Pharma is corrupt beyond our comprehension and on many levels could be construed to represent true evil.  Again though,  our GOV has allowed this evilness to be foisted upon this nation so I suppose the question is where does the true evil really lie?


But here you go….most certainley paid for by big Pharma.

You do know some countries do not allow research costs to be calculated into the price? These socialist countries force us to subside all that cost. You subside their socialism. Don’t blame the companies for that. They have to recover the cost of research or no miracle drugs. It costs hundreds of millions and years, even decades, of research to get a drug to market. Many more never get through the approval process. These companies are not charities.

When you hear some jackass commercial claim “Big Pharma doesn’t want you to know…” it is a scam every time.

They want money and mechanisms to keep it coming in.

There is no risk-free medicine, it all will have risks and account for deaths and injury.  They will take greater risk and leverage what they can to make money Why? because they can, just like any other enterprise.

Get real. They don’t make people sick so they can cure them. For many people, they make themselves sick. These companies are not spending millions and conducting hundreds of trials on fake diseases. Get real. Learn how things really work.

Nope….Big Ag does that for them.

Yup they do get money from many sources. Where do you think they should get their money? When was the last time you made a million dollar donation. How about a ten dollar donation?

No body forces people to be fat, live unhealthy life styles, and do really stupid shit. They do it to themselves. When you get a speeding ticket, do you blame the car company for making fast cars? Of course not, it was you foot on the pedal.

Yup they do get money from many sources. Where do you think they should get their money? When was the last time you made a million dollar donation. How about a ten dollar donation?

No body forces people to be fat, live unhealthy life styles, and do really stupid shit. They do it to themselves. When you get a speeding ticket, do you blame the car company for making fast cars? Of course not, it was you foot on the pedal.

Here's pro tip for you….never, ever get a job in MISO…..you know, Military information support operations or PSYOPs for that matter.  Doing so would shatter your world view and associated belief system causing you to understand that many of the basic truths that you hold have been placed there by some very nefarious actors for effect. Scary stuff, for sure, and it's better if you just keep your blinders on. You'll be happier that way.

My son has Crohn’s disease. Medications have been developed to help IBD patients reach remission and they work. It’s not a cure. That said, they are very expensive. Before insurance my sons treatments are $8,000 every 6 weeks. I bet the medicine he takes costs less than $20 to make and that’s being generous. I see no reason why a pharma co would invest in a cure or a better drug that cost less when they’re making so much now but I do believe a cure is being sought.

After insurance contracted discounts apply, the bill is $3,000. That’s for the drug, the facility, the infusion, etc. They bill $5000 for the drug and insurance contracts it down to around $1800.  


My wife had colon cancer. The pills she took were $5000 for 14 days. The infusion part was $1200/ea. Insurance paid $20 for the infusion part. That means that drug we were billed $1200 for probably cost $1. The pills we never saw because she met out of pocket and they were covered but we never saw a statement for them because they came by mail through CVS.

If the goal was to help people, the drugs would be marked up 30% instead of 2000% but it’s not just pharma. A lot of people are causing or getting cuts of their profits in the US. I see no reason not to think that the facility that charges us $5000 for that drug is only paying $100 or so for it.

I’m sure there is evil within big pharma but there are a lot of people trying to make better medications and even find cures. Will a company making money off a drug that will help you, tell you that a lifestyle change would work better than their drug? Not if they want to stay in business. That falls on the healthcare system IMO but like others have said, most people would rather take a pill than make a change.

@speedothebrief
@pzilla

+1

I think the sentence in blue is a good summary of Big Pharma.

I watched a little of the above interview and they are absolutely correct about the our society’s diet being horrible and that along with no exercise is at the core of why we are sick.  But I think the motive for it is just because they want to make money and not because they are intentionally trying to make us sick.  It’s a lot cheaper to feed people using High Fructose Corn Syrup, wheat, corn and other grains, and seed oils.  It’s difficult to stay away from these as they are in almost everything processed you buy so you end up having to make your own meals.  Last night I made venison burgers for me and my son using obviously wild venison, eggs from our chickens, avocado oil and fried it using bear lard.  The ketchup is the Heinz sugar and HFCS free as it uses Stevia.  Onions.  The buns are where they get us but you could just eat it without.

I cook a lot of Indian food starting with dry legumes (lentils, black beans, etc).  I only use avocado oil, olive oil, palm oil or coconut oil, or animal fats to include butter.

That still doesn’t solve the problem of pesticides and herbicides but you can’t source solely organic food for the entire population.  There is no way to grow food without them for everyone.

So I think that the drive to increase profits in the food industry has left our society with a diet that makes us sick, and then Big Pharma comes in to treat our diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, etc.

We humans are lazy as a species and we can all individually do better with our health.

This is exactly right.

How many here are taking Ozempic now because they can’t be bothered to eat healthy and move their body?

Here’s the thing - modern pharmaceutical therapies can keep people with chronic conditions alive much longer than before. Things like heart failure, certain cancers, even diabetes. So it seems like more and more people are living with these diseases on lots of meds.

Because there are.

Thirty years ago, these folks would have died much earlier.  

There aren’t that many things that can’t be “cured”, just managed. We’ve got a lot more tools to manage a lot of them.

Almost anything can be cured, just not with pills.

@73RR

Just to dispel some myths.

1) Most doctors don’t or won’t even see drug reps due to time constraints.  No doc has time to sit there and listen for 20 minutes about some new drug while their patients are backing up.  I’m running from room to room all day and don’t have time to chat if they just show up.

2) There are new drugs that I think potentially can help my patients so I will set up a time to meet with a drug rep.  It’s important to get drug samples so I can try out a drug and see if it even does what they claim it will do without any significant side effects, and that the patient can afford.  With almost every new drug, insurance will not cover it, and even though it actually does help, I simply can’t use it as it costs too much.  If the drug company can’t figure out a way for the patient to afford it, it’s dead in the water.  

A good example is Nuplazid which is still name-brand and is still stupid expensive.  It’s used for hallucinations and delusions in Lewy Body Dementia/Parkinson’s disease.  In a substantial majority of patients it will eliminate or greatly reduce hallucinations and delusions.  They finally have a drug-assistance program that pays for the drug in those patients where insurance doesn’t cover it so I can use it more.

I don’t use Neupro, even though it is a great drug for Parkinson’s disease because insurance won’t pay for it and they don’t have a drug assistance program.  Great drug.  Never prescribe it.

3) Many hospital corporations that the 75% of doctors work for ban or limit drug reps from coming in.  They are not making any money off of it so they don’t want them there.

4) We don’t get kick-backs.  It’s actually illegal.  The most we get is some cookies for the staff and free drug samples.  It’s been 15 years since they were allowed to give us pens and pads with their name on it so we don’t even get that anymore.  If I didn’t want to try a new drug for my patients then I would not see the drug rep.  Free samples means that I get to try something at zero cost to the patient and if it doesn’t work, the patient is not out any money.  That’s the main reason for drug samples.

5) Yes, we do try to tell patients to not use hard drugs, quit smoking, quit drinking excessively, look at their diet, and exercise.  These are “heavy lifting” aspects of health and difficult to change.  We usually get the body when it’s already broken.

I said this before the Covid vaccine became available:

Publicly traded companies don’t like dead customers. They like repeat customers.

@Emeoba69

Our medical system is corporatism—U.S. government, Hospital Corporations, Big Pharma, and Health Insurance Companies work together to milk the workers and taxpayers out of as much money as they can.  Doctors, nurses, etc are just along for the ride.  Those of us in the trenches have ZERO control over what is happening.  

@AFARR

“What happened to Frank??”

“He was killed by a Saber-toothed Tiger.  Saw it happen.”

“Man, he was only 30!”

Big Pharma doesn't want you to live a healthy life.

They need you to  be sick to keep making money.  They pay the medical profession bonuses to help with this.  

It really is that insidious.

The FDA is just as bad and in league with them.

I’ve listened to three podcasts, and done a little additional analysis and yes big pharma and the food industry are making Americans fat, sick, depressed.  It’s a pretty easy observation on today’s health of the American population.
High percentages of obesity and what we used to call “Husky “ people.

Look at old photos from the seventies to visualize just how thin most people were back then vs today.  It’s really pretty sad.

I learned this when I went car shopping. There are times when the government man isn't looking where you can run up and buy an internal combustion engine vehicle. No really, no shit.

The same thing holds true at the grocery store. Some days I grab my cart and there's no government agent there to help with my shopping. When I check out they just let me pay for the stuff and keep it! I live in the country side so we rarely get agents at the house inspecting for non-approved foods or possibly even things from our garden!

I'm pretty sure all the young fat fucks filling our schools are the results of these damn mandatory meals the government agents audit us for monthly. Don't even get me started on the Food Pyramid inspectors who will argue relentlessly if you dare screw your pyramid up.

I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be fat people without the democrap party.

Sounds like you have a very well education drug dealer for a doctor.

But in today's America, given the chance, do you think the average American would drastically change their lives intentionally creating months of suffering, spending more time and money on their health or just take a 20 mg pill of Lipitor?

How do you remove the government agent from your home that enforces the big pharma mandates?

As someone who suffers from epilepsy I am thankful for pharmaceuticals and modern medicine.

If I was born pre-1950 I probably wouldn’t have reached adulthood.

And yet 2 pills a day and I’m able to live a completely normal life. I can drive, have a career, enjoy hobbies, get married, have kids, etc…

So I’ll go against the crowd and say thank you to big pharma.

The best propaganda works this way.

Here's 85% of the truth that you know and accept with 15% of our political bull-shit mixed in. The 15% gains credibility from the 85% you know.

Big pharma made me skip my workout and forced me to eat ice cream at gunpoint

Those bastards!

I am a "government has no place in private markets person"

Government should not prop up a food pyramid created by big ag.

Government shouldn't steal our money to give to big ag to create poison food

Government shouldn't steal our money to give to big pharma to develop band aid drugs.

Government should not grant immunity to big pharma for said band aid drugs.

The customers that ordered covid/mrna sure got paid .

Look where your drugs are manufactured, China.

Globalists want to kill and control you. Pharma is just one aspect. The AMA takeover is well documented in this book, as is the treatment over cure for profit model.




Same author’s work on the financial control.

Lol.

Never heard of the Sunshine Act or Anti-Kickback Statute, huh?

My doctor is old school. I have low testosterone so he prescribes a workout routine, max daily sugar intake, and testosterone.

He will only elevate testosterone levels if a patient eats healthy and works out to take advantage of it.

The reasoning is, testosterone gives the willing a chance to be healthy and live a long life. If you want to be fat, refusing to prescribe T causes those people to go find other doctors.

He isn’t in the business of watching people slowly kill themselves.

ETA: I once got severe joint pain while teaching some people how to frame walls. Doc checked my blood and told me to either take his arthritis prescription, then BP meds when that gets out of whack, the ozempic when I get fat, then viagra because I won’t get it up. OR stop teaching people how to frame walls, eat right to manage inflammation in your body, and don’t get on 5 different meds for every symptom the first one will cause.

Ok, I’ve been busy, working my tail off, but I have a few minutes to knock out some responses. First, this ^^

First time I saw that, I think I lost the will to live for a few seconds. I mean… Holy crap, I guess the way my mom fed me wasn’t so bad after all? We used to drink coca cola like it was water. I never tried to put coke in the lucky charms, but you do have to ask, “why not?” Seems like a natural progression. Now I feel the urge to go all in on that diet. Looks pretty healthy compared to my current diet.

I do find it interesting how much this thread is devolving into a “capitalism is good/bad” thread. I guess I should have foreseen that, but I genuinely wasn’t thinking along those lines when I posted. On a side note, and I think that this will help unlock my mind for many, I think that “capitalism” is a derogatory term that Marx came up to trash the system that we would have normally just referred to as liberty and freedom. I say that while I recognize my own cognitive dissonance on this issue. While I hate government interference (especially from those ‘rich men north of Richmond’), I would also support some kind of constitutional amendment to limit the legal size and scope of corporations so that they aren’t able to completely dominate our government.

But, anyways….

I love my 2000 character limit, because my account is “new.” Ok, whatever.

2nd interesting thing that is common in this thread is the idea that it’s your own dang fault for being lazy, eating stupid foods, and getting fat. I particularly enjoy the, “I eat healthy Indian food” post. I think that’s a perfect example of the problem. Indians are not healthy by any stretch of imagination, and yet, they also are not lazy. Indian men, especially middle aged men, are often obese. The same phenomenon exists in Mexico (which, last I saw was actually “fatter” than the US). But, according to some, apparently the entire problem is the unique laziness of the US population. WTF. Are you serious? Some of the largest human beings I’ve known are also some of the hardest working, and entirely not-lazy people on the planet. They work their friggin’ butts off, and barely have 10 minutes in the day to stuff their faces, and yet, they often reach upwards of 400 lbs. Is there a lazy population? Sure. Does that explain what’s happening in the US? Absolutely not.

There was a post from a doctor here about a new medicine that can work some kind of miracle. That’s great, and I’m really happy that big pharma can do that. Same for the husband and wife who might be dead if it weren’t for big pharma. That’s awesome, too. Something just isn’t right with the status quo, and you cannot convince me that it’s just lazy people. Lazy people don’t generate type 1 diabetes. Sure, maybe the pharma solution keeps those people alive and allows them to reproduce and spread that gene? Is it mostly just our diet? Maybe you’re right @FuriousYachtsman. Still… those vaccines… that’s gotta be some kind of evil, right? I mean, does a newborn baby really need a vaccine for an STD? I guess I figure that the incentives aren’t right for pharma companies. I’m not really seeing the kind of insight that I was hoping for, but I do see a lot of that same sentiment here.

Won’t someone in the industry please show up here to tell us about the evil incentives placed on them from some outside party?

So, maybe big pharma isn't killing us . Maybe they're just assisting.  Seems what is missing is actual truth and genuine curiosity.

I'd say that being fat, lazy, sedentary, and substance abuse is killing us.

But I'm not a doctor.

It's kind of a two step issue. 1) Our food supply chain is garbage with overly manufactured products laden with sodium, preservatives, and high fructose corn syrup. That leads to tons of health issues which then 2) Lets big pharma create a bunch of shit to treat, but not necessarily cure.

Eat better and be less sedentary and you'll need less drugs.

The reason why this has become an issue is that the pharmaceutical companies collaborated on a novel medical intervention that they corruptly redefined to be a "vaccine" that proved to be quite dangerous and quite ineffective. The mask came off with COVID and now a lot of people have looked hard at their past bad acts and have concluded that these companies and the regulators supposedly keeping them in check while taking vast sums of money from them cannot be trusted.

It didn't just drop out of the ether.

People were rudely awakened to the reality they were blissfully unaware of before.

The US is actually above the global mean number of hours of physical exercise per week. The global average is 6.1 and the US is at 6.3hrs


Exercising even an hour a day doesn’t really make a difference if your life is otherwise sedentary (think desk job but you hit the gym a few days a week and eat big ag produced food). If you look at most blue zones in the world the people are active all day every day.. gardening, walking everywhere etc.  Where in the US people will buy items like sxs’s, golf carts to check the mail, sub compact tractors and zero turn mowers to maintain their 1/2-1acre lots, or just hire out that maintenance all together.

Activity has stifled in the western world mostly due to technology advances (most inventions are to ‘save’ you from physical activity/work) & residential development models(subdivisions).  

Everyone eats like shit because the global western agriculture model produces shit food (but the big tractors are cool ). All one needs to do is go to a grocery store and look around and this is blatantly obvious.



60% of Americans have at least one chronic disease. This has everything to do with shit food and sedentary life styles. No, exercising 6hrs a week doesn’t make one not sedentary.

Garbage.

To flat out kill us would be detrimental to their bottom line. To slowly kill us gains them maximum profits. Big pharma owns meds that treat heart issues.. Some weeds have medicinal properties to fix said heart issues. Big pharma owns weed killer companies that kill these medicinal weeds.. Coincident?

LoL

Americans are fat because they're stupid. Nobody is shoving a funnel down their throat.

Families used to cook fresh food at home. Nobody is making their fat ass go to McDonalds

I grew up with the food pyramid. I honestly don't remember anybody every actually referencing it. My mom cooked dinner just like her mom did.