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Posted: 12/15/2017 2:44:19 AM EDT
I can't imagine that this is legal but: A buddy of mine works at a grocery store. When he works the closing shift, he clocks out around 2100, when the store closes. Apparently it's store policy that everybody has to leave together, so the girls in he group don't have to walk to their cars by themselves (store is in a shit neighborhood). He says the rest of the crew takes another 15 minutes to clock out.
Supposing that he gets in trouble for leaving once he clocks out, isn't it illegal to make employees stay at work when they aren't getting paid? |
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State labor dept would probability go after them for back pay.
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So the store is tasking the male employees with protecting the female employees off the clock? lol
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He isn't working, he's waiting on coworkers to leave together.
The store could pay them for that - everyone has benefit. Managers only see net profit, even if they lose site of employee loyalty |
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Easy to fix. Don't clock out till everyone else does. If you have to stay, you are still on the clock.
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I seem to recall Home Depot or Wal Mart getting loved tenderly for much the same.
They'd lock the doors after closing, you'd clock out, but they wouldn't let you leave until everyone did as a group. If you didn't clock out they got pissed, and I think someone eventually got fired. Eitherway, violation of labor laws. Want me to stay? Pay Me. |
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Shit neighborhood. Unpaid work.
Can't be that hard to find a replacement job stocking shelves somewhere else, can it? Although, if any of the girls he's "protecting" are cute he can probably use that to his advantage. |
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Easy to fix. Don't clock out till everyone else does. If you have to stay, you are still on the clock. View Quote I got the OT. Only stupid employees fall for this crap. I'd imagine most would clock out to appease. Not me. |
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Yeah, this is easy. And it's a way for the OP's buddy to meet chicks
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I knew a restaurant owner who asked everyone to leave together at the end of the night for safety. He let everyone drink draft beer on the house until everything was locked up and the last person clocked out. Nobody complained.
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it's illegal in TX. furthermore, it's a serious liability for the employer. if the employee gets an injury in the workplace but off the clock, there's a good chance that it won't be covered by the employer's workplace insurance...meaning that the employer will be on the hook for any financial damages. this is why most well-run places will not allow employees to work--or even be in working areas--while not clocked in.
but yeah, in TX, if an emp is required to be anywhere work-related, he/she is required to be paid. |
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By requiring the employees to remain on premises without pay it's an FLSA violation.
A lawsuit should be a slam-dunk. I believe the look back period on these is three years. |
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it's illegal in TX. furthermore, it's a serious liability for the employer. if the employee gets an injury in the workplace but off the clock, there's a good chance that it won't be covered by the employer's workplace insurance...meaning that the employer will be on the hook for any financial damages. this is why most well-run places will not allow employees to work--or even be in working areas--while not clocked in. but yeah, in TX, if an emp is required to be anywhere work-related, he/she is required to be paid. View Quote Now what? |
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There have been class action lawsuits on this for people having to show up 15 minutes before their shift starts but not being able to clock in.
https://stromlaw.com/more-join-outback-steakhouse-wage-payment-class-action/ |
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Grocery store stocker in a bad neighborhood? I think his energy would best be spent on finding a better job rather than suing the shitty one.
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Sounds like a bunch of union members in here. Anything to fuck the company, god forbid a small portion of your highly skilled labor goes unpaid.
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So what martial arts training does he have that qualifies him to protect someone else? I bet that isn't in his job description.
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I don't see where walking the female employees to their cars would require the whole shift. The manager could probably do that himself if he is that concerned for his female employees welfare.
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Easy to fix. Don't clock out till everyone else does. If you have to stay, you are still on the clock. View Quote As to the original question, sure, it's legal, sort of. But they can't fire you for not complying. |
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Fuck that, if my presence is required so is paying me. It's that simple.
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Sounds like a bunch of union members in here. Anything to fuck the company, god forbid a small portion of your highly skilled labor goes unpaid. C'mon, what are the odds??? |
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I knew a restaurant owner who asked everyone to leave together at the end of the night for safety. He let everyone drink draft beer on the house until everything was locked up and the last person clocked out. Nobody complained. View Quote Hell, I'd never get home. |
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Sounds like a bunch of union members in here. Anything to fuck the company, god forbid a small portion of your highly skilled labor goes unpaid. View Quote i'm not entitled to my employer's money, and he's not entitled to my time. i'm a capitalist who sells resources (my time and effort) in exchange for money, in order to maximize my own profit. as with any good businessman, i'll give some freebies from time to time, but only as an investment that is very likely to pay off in the long run. this is what successful firms do, which is why they're the employers and not the employees. unsuccessful firms (and employees with serf mentality) don't bother with the due diligence for investments--they give away freebies on a hope and a prayer. have fun with that. |
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lol @ serf mentality. i'm not entitled to my employer's money, and he's not entitled to my time. i'm a capitalist who sells resources (my time and effort) in exchange for money, in order to maximize my own profit. as with any good businessman, i'll give some freebies from time to time, but only as an investment that is very likely to pay off in the long run. this is what successful firms do, which is why they're the employers and not the employees. unsuccessful firms (and employees with serf mentality) don't bother with the due diligence for investments--they give away freebies on a hope and a prayer. have fun with that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Sounds like a bunch of union members in here. Anything to fuck the company, god forbid a small portion of your highly skilled labor goes unpaid. i'm not entitled to my employer's money, and he's not entitled to my time. i'm a capitalist who sells resources (my time and effort) in exchange for money, in order to maximize my own profit. as with any good businessman, i'll give some freebies from time to time, but only as an investment that is very likely to pay off in the long run. this is what successful firms do, which is why they're the employers and not the employees. unsuccessful firms (and employees with serf mentality) don't bother with the due diligence for investments--they give away freebies on a hope and a prayer. have fun with that. |
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Depends. Did he clock out during the day for a 15 minute break which is mandatory after so many hours? Could be played out that way. But I’d stay clocked in if I was forced to stay. If they had an issue, tell your boss to take it up with the labor dept
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Sounds like a bunch of union members in here. Anything to fuck the company, god forbid a small portion of your highly skilled labor goes unpaid. View Quote https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/RIP_DANTSX/5-1510448/ |
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13th Amendment Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. View Quote |
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Sounds a bit like the situation at Amazon. Warehouse workers were required to clock out, then wait in line (~45 minutes) to be searched before leaving the building.
Workers sued. Amazon won. |
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