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Israel is, by our standards, very liberal. I don't know where people get the idea it's some rootin', tootin', shootin', place to live.

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Whatever, Captain Semantics. Go tell someone who gives a fuck.  https://i.imgur.com/8ms7IpC.gif

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If the events in Israel have taught me anything, it's that I need to lose weight, get fit, go out and train for what the Islamic terrorists could do here. What's stopping them from shooting up my neighborhood instead of an Israeli neighborhood?

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When I lived in Israel in 90's, the laws were much different!

Qualifications for carrying openly or concealed were very reasonable - you had to complete the active duty service and show a very minimal need - like "once a week I have to drive to territories to visit my friends" was enough.  there were plenty of gun ranges; there were civilian patrols - old men with old mauzers and M1 carbines walking on the streets at night... seeing a pistol tucked in the IWB or OWB hoster outside of the tucked shirt was very normal and commonplace

as soon as I was out of the army I got my permit and was issued a gun since I worked part-time as a security guard at school.  somehow since then, it all changed

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This is what I've been saying. It's fucking ridiculous that people live next to Palestine and must demonstrate a need to have a gun? you would figure every man woman and child in that country would have at least half a dozen guns, a few grenades and maybe some claymores plus thousands of rounds of ammo.

How many civilians died in the last 36 hours because they had no means to defend themselves?

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They just changed the law today to allow more citizens to own firearms.. ya I know a little to late. But it's better than never




Announcement from the Office of the Minister of National Security - Emergency Operation in the Firearms Division: The

Minister of National Security, MK Itamar Ben Gvir, instructed the Firearms Licensing Division to launch an emergency operation, in order to allow as many citizens as possible to arm themselves. The plan will go into effect within 24 hours, below are its main points :

1. Any citizen who meets the detailed tests for carrying a private firearm due to self-defense and service of the security forces, and has no criminal or medical record, will be required to undergo a telephone interview instead of a physical interview, and will be able to receive permission to carry a firearm within a week. (Self-defense tests: residence in an eligible settlement , rifle veterans 07 and above, officers in the rank of lieutenant and above and officers in the rank of major and above in the IDF and the security forces, service in special units, firefighters, policemen, and workers and volunteers in the rescue forces).

2. Any citizen who received a conditional permit to purchase a firearm and did not purchase a firearm during the year 2023 and the conditional license has expired, will be able to purchase a firearm now without the need to submit another application. The exemption will apply to about 4000 citizens.

3. Any citizen who deposited his weapon in the last six months due to failure to perform refresher training or renewal training, will be able to receive his weapon back. The exemption will apply to about 1800 citizens.

4. In addition, starting next Tuesday, conditional permits to carry firearms will be issued with a permit allowing the purchase of up to 100 bullets instead of 50 today.

Minister of National Security MK Itamar Ben Gabir: "I thank the personnel of the Firearms Licensing Division, the Civil Response Department of the Israel Police and the employees of the Ministry of Health for the very important commitment that will allow as many citizens as possible to arm themselves and protect themselves and their environment when necessary."
t.me/admma_news/73865

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In the videos I saw the terrorists seem to be operating in small groups in the neighborhoods. They were only effective because they suffered no resistance. You can go door to door all day when no one is fighting back.

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They just changed the law today to allow more citizens to own firearms.. ya I know a little to late. But it's better than never




Announcement from the Office of the Minister of National Security - Emergency Operation in the Firearms Division: The

Minister of National Security, MK Itamar Ben Gvir, instructed the Firearms Licensing Division to launch an emergency operation, in order to allow as many citizens as possible to arm themselves. The plan will go into effect within 24 hours, below are its main points :

1. Any citizen who meets the detailed tests for carrying a private firearm due to self-defense and service of the security forces, and has no criminal or medical record, will be required to undergo a telephone interview instead of a physical interview, and will be able to receive permission to carry a firearm within a week. (Self-defense tests: residence in an eligible settlement , rifle veterans 07 and above, officers in the rank of lieutenant and above and officers in the rank of major and above in the IDF and the security forces, service in special units, firefighters, policemen, and workers and volunteers in the rescue forces).

2. Any citizen who received a conditional permit to purchase a firearm and did not purchase a firearm during the year 2023 and the conditional license has expired, will be able to purchase a firearm now without the need to submit another application. The exemption will apply to about 4000 citizens.

3. Any citizen who deposited his weapon in the last six months due to failure to perform refresher training or renewal training, will be able to receive his weapon back. The exemption will apply to about 1800 citizens.

4. In addition, starting next Tuesday, conditional permits to carry firearms will be issued with a permit allowing the purchase of up to 100 bullets instead of 50 today.

Minister of National Security MK Itamar Ben Gabir: "I thank the personnel of the Firearms Licensing Division, the Civil Response Department of the Israel Police and the employees of the Ministry of Health for the very important commitment that will allow as many citizens as possible to arm themselves and protect themselves and their environment when necessary."
t.me/admma_news/73865

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Self defense is a biblical concept, from which our own right to self defense springs.  The Founding Documents are based on biblical concepts.  Old Testament concepts.  The Hebrews slew the heck out of their enemies, time after time after time.  The OT is full of slaying.  Hunting had nothing to do with it.  Modern Jews/Israelis would do well to remember that.  Alas, as a Christian, I probably know the OT (Torah) better than most modern Jews.

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If the events in Israel have taught me anything, it's that I need to lose weight, get fit, go out and train for what the Islamic terrorists could do here. What's stopping them from shooting up my neighborhood instead of an Israeli neighborhood?

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You would think Israel would be passing out Uzi's and M1 carbines and whatever else they have to it's citizens. They are at war and were actually invaded.

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In Israel you can fight back against terrorists by watching your girlfriend taken off to be raped and murdered. Disgusting.

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It would have stopped A LOT of it.

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And even now they won't learn and change. Governments love disarmed people. They aren't going to change their gun laws in a significant way over this I bet. Minor tweaks at best.

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There is a reason most Jews vote Democrat. Now you know.

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I hate to burst your bubble further, but Switzerland is no firearms ownership utopia either.  The US is the last bastion of hope.  That's why we fight.

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The events of this weekend are pretty much as big an indictment of the kinds of paternalistic gun control pushed by major portions of Judaism both in Israel and in the US as it is an Intel failure by the Israeli security services.

A ton of people would still be alive if their leadership wasn't so intent on ensuring only the "correct" people possessed firearms.

Even after this weekend, they're still stuck in "Stupid" mode.

https://twitter.com/itamarbengvir/status/1711094677401653385



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So...

Any citizen who meets the detailed tests for carrying a private firearm due to self-defense and serving the security forces, and is without a criminal or medical record, will be required to undergo a telephone interview instead of a physical interview, and will be able to receive permission to carry a firearm within a week.

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A week? F--k off with that. If you tried that in the US, you'd be crucified.

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Israel is, by our standards, very liberal. I don't know where people get the idea it's some rootin', tootin', shootin', place to live.

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It's a police state and not sure why anyone would think anything different  .

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People wrongly assume Israel is pro gun because they see pictures of the hottie IDF girls carrying slung rifles in public.

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It doesn’t matter how many people die because they couldn’t defend themselves, because those that oppose natural rights-to include the God given right to self defense-will never admit they’re wrong and will instead proclaim themselves to be the intellectual giants that prevented the massacre(s) from being worse had the dead been armed.

You can’t reason with assholes like that.