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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:46:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryRIP. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:18:53 PM EST
[#2]
I'll take 90's grunge over almost gay effeminate dudes dressed as woman with female hair styles, singing with high pitched voices any day.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:21:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Grunge came about because people were sick of 80's hair band shit. There I said it. I have no idea what you’re talking about.  Guns N' Roses - November Rain |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:25:38 PM EST
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the power ballad all those pretty hairhats were chasing, but could never achieve.
 Still Loving You (2015 - Remaster) |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:28:34 PM EST
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I hated butt rock when butt rock was around! Love em or hate em Nirvana was a breath of fresh air in the early 90s.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:30:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the power ballad all those pretty hairhats were chasing, but could never achieve.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJrYN-_BXws Scorpions - Always Somewhere (Old Grey Whistle Test, 22th May 1979) 
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:43:22 PM EST
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Dave Krusen was the drummer for PJ’s first album and also the drummer for Candlebox .
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:43:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you guys remember a band called Candlebox? Their first album was fantastic, pretty bluesy... I think they turned into pumpkins shortly after. I saw them a few years ago in Dallas. It was a great show. Still have the CD somewhere from when it came out. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:47:37 PM EST
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I'm happy that Tool, NIN, Soundgarden, Radiohead, Alice and Chains, Smashing Pumkins came out of it.
I'd put Tool and NIN, as 2 of my top 5 favorite bands. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:53:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm happy that Tool, NIN, Soundgarden, Radiohead, Alice and Chains, Smashing Pumkins came out of it. I'd put Tool and NIN, as 2 of my top 5 favorite bands. remember when a friend of mine turned me onto these guys.. we laughed our asses off. even if you weren't in love with all the music anyone has to admit it was a fertile time for new bands and sounds coming onto the stage... great time to be a music loving yute!  TOOL - Hush (Audio) |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:59:19 PM EST
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Saw Faith No More at the Troc in Philly on the Epic tour they had this unknown band open up for them.
 Soundgarden - Loud Love |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:59:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Saw Faith No More at the Troc in Philly on the Epic tour they had this unknown band open up for them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0xosEFe8IkOne of my favorites. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 11:11:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet somehow rap can have legs for 40 years. Rap now is not the rap of 40 uears ago. Rock and roll has been around for over 60 years |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:35:53 AM EST
[#14]
Yes, glam rock sucked.
But grunge? Dirty, whiny hippies, with bad body odor, sucked way more. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:43:15 AM EST
[#15]
Good trade.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:55:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rap now is not the rap of 40 uears ago. Rock and roll has been around for over 60 years There is no modern rock. What little there is are legacy bands whose members are on their last legs |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:00:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no modern rock. What little there is are legacy bands whose members are on their last legs God bless Clutch.  Clutch - Slaughter Beach |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:24:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no modern rock. What little there is are legacy bands whose members are on their last legs I'm reminded of this Every time the local "rock station" plays AC/DC Highway to Hell. A song that Debuted in 1979 45 years ago. Imagine its 1979 and your listening to stuff from 1934... |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:28:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Grunge came about because people were sick of 80's hair band shit. There I said it. I have no idea what you’re talking about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SbUC-UaAxEThis album is a great example of the best of what your point seems to be… At it’s best, Use your Illusion is fantastic. At it’s worst, it’s overproduced b-sides that should never have made it. Use your Illusion should have been edited to one spectacular disc. Another example of the 80s excess that lead to the 90s pushback. Let’s face it, this is art, and not only does everyone have an opinion on it, but art has movements and counter movements. The 80s wine, women and drugs arena music lead to stripped-down college music (REM, I’m looking at you), and that lead to the five guys in ripped jeans on an oriental rug playing their asses off counter movement. And as such if some have the opinion that the 80s had better music than the 90s, that’s your take on it. It’s all good, nobody’s wrong here. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:30:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is no modern rock. What little there is are legacy bands whose members are on their last legs God bless Clutch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxa9xqe4UNAThis disc may be my summer jam album. “We strive for excellence!!!” 
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:46:51 AM EST
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Van Halen was still releasing albums as late as 1992 with Sammy Hagar.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:49:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no modern rock. What little there is are legacy bands whose members are on their last legs Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Rap now is not the rap of 40 uears ago. Rock and roll has been around for over 60 years There is no modern rock. What little there is are legacy bands whose members are on their last legs There are still rock bands. But you’ll never hear them on the radio. Rock is far from mainstream anymore sadly. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:02:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People were ready for This. The hard drug of choice went from cocaine to heroin and the music reflected that. Nothing deeper than this is needed to explain it. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:22:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rap changed just as much. Rap today sounds very different than rap in 1984. Nah, Megan Thee Stallion and Sugarhill Gang are the same.  You're right, "Rap" as a category is as wide as "Rock" ever was. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:31:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm happy that Tool, NIN, Soundgarden, Radiohead, Alice and Chains, Smashing Pumkins came out of it. I'd put Tool and NIN, as 2 of my top 5 favorite bands. I’ve never really thought of Smashing Pumpkins as grunge. I guess I’d call them alternative. I love their alternative answer to the ‘hair ballad’.  The Smashing Pumpkins - Tonight, Tonight (Official Music Video) |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:32:36 AM EST
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Quoted: I'm not entirely against grunge, but what a crappy trade they made. We lost this - crisp music and clear lyrics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtuOAnsuZBYFor this guy who sang like he had a mouthful of marbles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs8y3kneqrsOr this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ZX4O-EfaoTo wit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damn_Yankees_ By 1994, there had been a changing of the guard at Warners. Jack Blades explained:  The new regime came in, and they didn't want to do anything with that style of music. And in fact, they paid Damn Yankees a million dollars not to do another Damn Yankees record. We're like, 'Really? OK, we'll just take the check. Why not?' That was how it was because Damn Yankees had sold so many records and we were so recouped, so in our contract the next thing was like 'We get a million bucks to do an album,' and they just paid us the million dollars NOT to do the record. That's how much nobody wanted anything to do with that era and style of music. So after that, Nugent revived his solo career, leaving Tommy Shaw and Jack Blades to record their own album as the duo Shaw Blades. Released in March 1995, Hallucination received very little support from its label as the personnel change brought in industry executives more sympathetic to alternative and grunge bands. Ultimately, the Shaw Blades album came out to some critical praise, but it vanished without major single support or a national tour (which had been cancelled by Warner Bros.). "I'll Always Be With You" did garner some AOR airplay and the title track was heard in the hit movie Tommy Boy, but after a brief West Coast tour, both Shaw and Blades went back to their respective original bands, Styx and Night Ranger.All that time we were trying to figure out what Eddie Vedder was saying (or trying to find a rock station) and we could have been listening to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBm8zfphficAt least this made it to air before the world went ga-ga for grunge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx6f68Wd9dc
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:33:02 AM EST
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...my bad (thinking MatchBox 20).
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:40:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This album is a great example of the best of what your point seems to be… At it’s best, Use your Illusion is fantastic. At it’s worst, it’s overproduced b-sides that should never have made it. Use your Illusion should have been edited to one spectacular disc. Another example of the 80s excess that lead to the 90s pushback.. Please do keep in mind that I am not above using sarcasm in my posts. I happen to think that use your illusion, both albums, represent the pinnacle of the 80s rock movement, even though they technically did not happen in the 80s. But you also make a fair point. In posting that, the tongue in cheek point I was trying to make, was about the ostentatious and excessive nature of literally everything. G’n’R was insanely talented yet equally insanely over the top in everything they did and I absolutely understand why the world got sick of it. November Rain was sort of the magnum opus, to me, of talent hopelessly entwined in ostentatiousness. I’m not half as mad at grunge as I make out to be. I just hate that some very good, very talented bands got lost in the shuffle, literally. And that’s sort of the point of this thread. We didn’t need another KISS imitation hair band. Fair enough. That was done to death after 15+ years. But we lost or at least missed some talent in the process. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:46:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Appetite For Destruction was the beginning of the end for glam rock. I'd agree with that. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:48:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Van Halen was still releasing albums as late as 1992 with Sammy Hagar. Which was 32 years ago. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:48:49 AM EST
[#31]
I listened to and enjoyed both back in the day.
But I'm not in High School anymore. Neither genre has withstood the test of time. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:57:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve never really thought of Smashing Pumpkins as grunge. I guess I’d call them alternative. I love their alternative answer to the ‘hair ballad’. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOG3eus4ZSoQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm happy that Tool, NIN, Soundgarden, Radiohead, Alice and Chains, Smashing Pumkins came out of it. I'd put Tool and NIN, as 2 of my top 5 favorite bands. I’ve never really thought of Smashing Pumpkins as grunge. I guess I’d call them alternative. I love their alternative answer to the ‘hair ballad’. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOG3eus4ZSoGrunge isn't real. Putting Alice in chains with pearl jam never made sense. It's just 90s rock. Some was harder than others. Smashing pumpkins was more hard rock than their hits generally give them credit for. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:16:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please do keep in mind that I am not above using sarcasm in my posts. I happen to think that use your illusion, both albums, represent the pinnacle of the 80s rock movement, even though they technically did not happen in the 80s. But you also make a fair point. In posting that, the tongue in cheek point I was trying to make, was about the ostentatious and excessive nature of literally everything. G’n’R was insanely talented yet equally insanely over the top in everything they did and I absolutely understand why the world got sick of it. November Rain was sort of the magnum opus, to me, of talent hopelessly entwined in ostentatiousness. I’m not half as mad at grunge as I make out to be. I just hate that some very good, very talented bands got lost in the shuffle, literally. And that’s sort of the point of this thread. We didn’t need another KISS imitation hair band. Fair enough. That was done to death after 15+ years. But we lost or at least missed some talent in the process. This is the evil of corporate music. In order to shape the music landscape to their financial benefit, they ignore talent for profit. They intentionally limit the range of music distributed so they can control consumer taste, in order to dump high paid existing performers in exchange for lower paid new performers. The country music industry has battled against it's stars for decades. They push inferior styles to evolve a genre and push popular performers to adopt that style, when it isn't what consumers want or what they're good at. Then when sales flag, they point to that failure as a good reason to dump an established artist. There's room for old and new, and if the new is really good, it will prevail. However, stifling competition to achieve market and profit goals at the expense of existing contracted artists, has been a halmark of the music industry. Modern music distribution has wrecked the industry, in a sense, but it has allowed wider access to artists non supported by big labels. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:18:33 AM EST
[#34]
I hate stagnation in music
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:18:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hate stagnation in music |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:19:11 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People were ready for a change. That’s just how it goes. Honestly, I don't think it was. Grunge died out after 2000. Rock/metal was around a lot longer than 8-10 years like gunge and has made a resurgence. I was around 16 or so when that grunge fad rolled out and had been playing guitar in thrash and death metal bands for a few years at that point. I remember the skaters and alt rock/ indie fans jumped on the grunge bandwagon. Very few metal heads in my area listened or cared for grunge. I didn't give grunge a listen till about 20 years ago, LOL. I don't hate some of it. I like Alice in chains and some Nirvanna and Stone Temple Pilots, but the rest doesn't intrest me. Basically it became a fad and the non music people and fringe groups listened to it trying to be cool and "hip". Like all fads it didn't last too long. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:43:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm happy that Tool, NIN, Soundgarden, Radiohead, Alice and Chains, Smashing Pumkins came out of it. I'd put Tool and NIN, as 2 of my top 5 favorite bands. I have fond memories of Pretty Hate Machine . The first time I ever heard them a sexy blond turned me on to them . I got laid that night . She would definitely give the Ministry girl I ran into some time later a run for her money. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:49:05 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Grunge isn't real. Putting Alice in chains with pearl jam never made sense. It's just 90s rock. Some was harder than others. Smashing pumpkins was more hard rock than their hits generally give them credit for. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:51:57 AM EST
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I was just thinking about the societal impact of grunge on the male psyche. We traded aggressive sexuality for brooding and celebrated the loner. This, coupled with the rise of rap fed what would become of the modern male and female. Pop tried to desperately hang on, producing the likes of Brittany Spears, who played the role of a meth addicted cheerleader too well. But, that’s what they had to sell. It continues today with Miley Cyrus, etc. Even when bands put a harder spin on their music, they’re still whining (Linkin Park, Papa Roach, blah, blah). Imagine that putrid self-loathing shit pumped between your ears and being told it’s good.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:52:27 AM EST
[#40]
Pearl Jam sucks, but hair bands had to go. That shit was corny as fuck.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:53:00 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll take 90's grunge over almost gay effeminate dudes dressed as woman with female hair styles, singing with high pitched voices any day. They may have dressed odd, but they sang about fucking their brains out, living on the edge, and some still managed to pay homage to America. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:54:09 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was just thinking about the societal impact of grunge on the male psyche. We traded aggressive sexuality for brooding and celebrated the loner. This, coupled with the rise of rap fed what would become of the modern male and female. Pop tried to desperately hang on, producing the likes of Brittany Spears, who played the role of a meth addicted cheerleader too well. But, that’s what they had to sell. It continues today with Miley Cyrus, etc. Even when bands put a harder spin on their music, they’re still whining (Linkin Park, Papa Roach, blah, blah). Imagine that putrid self-loathing shit pumped between your ears and being told it’s good. Now that you mention it/put it that way, school shootings really took off in the wake of grunge music, too. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:05:16 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now that you mention it/put it that way, school shootings really took off in the wake of grunge music, too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was just thinking about the societal impact of grunge on the male psyche. We traded aggressive sexuality for brooding and celebrated the loner. This, coupled with the rise of rap fed what would become of the modern male and female. Pop tried to desperately hang on, producing the likes of Brittany Spears, who played the role of a meth addicted cheerleader too well. But, that’s what they had to sell. It continues today with Miley Cyrus, etc. Even when bands put a harder spin on their music, they’re still whining (Linkin Park, Papa Roach, blah, blah). Imagine that putrid self-loathing shit pumped between your ears and being told it’s good. Now that you mention it/put it that way, school shootings really took off in the wake of grunge music, too. Noticed that too? We went from celebrating sex and partying to “my life sucks, you suck, everything sucks”. Negative vibes man. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:16:33 AM EST
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I guess I would just call this the natural progression of popular music. Yeah, glam/hair generally went away and grunge became more popular but what else happened?
Traditional metal stuck around, thrash got bigger, death metal was still around and progressed, 2nd wave black metal happened. All this set the stage for today: Thousands of new traditional, death, black, etc bands are doing whatever the fuck they want because they're not beholden to big record companies and aren't even trying to get on the radio. And you, the consumer, can buy a digital album for less than $10, a CD for right around $10 or a vinyl for $20. I'm speaking mostly about metal but rock is in a similar position. That "trade" ended up being generally irrelevant. It's a great time to be a music fan, as long as you don't listen to the radio. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:17:18 AM EST
[#45]
Huh. Never knew Damn Yankees was paid for not recording another album.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:18:50 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was just thinking about the societal impact of grunge on the male psyche. We traded aggressive sexuality for brooding and celebrated the loner. This, coupled with the rise of rap fed what would become of the modern male and female. Pop tried to desperately hang on, producing the likes of Brittany Spears, who played the role of a meth addicted cheerleader too well. But, that's what they had to sell. It continues today with Miley Cyrus, etc. Even when bands put a harder spin on their music, they're still whining (Linkin Park, Papa Roach, blah, blah). Imagine that putrid self-loathing shit pumped between your ears and being told it's good. I still scratch my head at my parents getting cable and allowing me to watch hours of lewd videos in my preadolescence. It pretty well fucked my brain up for life. As far as the brooding goes, let's not forget the plethora of 80s cuck power ballads that ran like an endless lament over losing your lover and wallowing in loneliness and despair. I liked a lot of 80s music as a kid, and I still think some of it is great. I also think that there were some very unhealthy messages and images mixed in there that the world could've done without. I'm thankful that the music landscape is what it is today. My kids can be more selective in what they listen to, and some of what they're into is really good. They're not plopped down in front of the television taking in everything their mass media overlords throw at them, witnessing hours of absolute garbage just to see something of quality here and there. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 12:54:32 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think one record label can change the direction of music. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:59:31 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I listened to and enjoyed both back in the day. But I'm not in High School anymore. Neither genre has withstood the test of time. You're right. There are no "classic rock" stations anywhere anymore. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:17:16 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh. Never knew Damn Yankees was paid for not recording another album. It was a crapload of money, too. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:21:47 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The aggressive sexuality of the 80s was not healthy for the male psyche in my opinion, especially when it came to kids in their formative years. I still scratch my head at my parents getting cable and allowing me to watch hours of lewd videos in my preadolescence. It pretty well fucked my brain up for life. I wholeheartedly agree with this. I still enjoy a lot of the music from that era but there's a lot of it I won't or don't listen to because it's so hyper-sexualized. I don't think that's healthy. |
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