The strategic value of you Ukraine is that it prevents Russia from having another jump off point on Europe (which has a BUNCH of trading partners). Russia has stated about a billion times that they want teh Baltic states back, South Eastern Europe, and Poland, Romania, Hungary, etc back.  

A continental war inevitably becomes a world war.  US and the West are attempting to prevent that but supporting the smaller fight. Support the smaller fight or be forced into the much more destructive and deadly larger fight later.

Ukraine has a right to defend itself.


Russia has no right to invade, AGAIN.


the biggest reason we can tell Russia invaded, is because former and very corrupt Ukraine government is no longer in their pocket.


Our military and financial aid has humiliated the bear by exposing how corrupt and incompetent it is & helped killed tens of thousands of their troops with none of our soldiers killed or wounded, this is a big win and I'm happy to stick it to the Bear as far as wars go, this is the best return we've ever gotten on military activities since the second world war.


Russia is not serious in it's nuclear threats, I've seen the direct quotes and videos, the last video I saw they aren't even directly threatening us with the use of nukes, but using it as a propaganda tool to boost their own sides moral.


Some of our aid being abused/misplaced isn't enough to stop sending it. We know it's low enough that officials here aren't concerned and we know Russia has propaganda interests in blowing any reports up as much as possible.


I think this interNyet stooge has fallen for Russian propaganda, there's a lot of Russian sponsored conservative/libertarian arguments against involvment right now.

Totally agree 100%

Not with our money/guns/resources though.

No different than when the US invaded the CSA.

I regularly watch Timcast. I rarely have to turn it off due to the stupidity of what's being discussed or who's saying it. I couldn't even make it ten minutes into that episode with that retard before I had to turn it off.

Every word of this is Russian propaganda talking points.

Among the many, many fucking stupid things that guy said, I have one challenge for those of you who think he is so smart:

Find the treaty or document which NATO members signed, promising Russia they would not expand or add members.

You can't do it because it doesn't exist.

And further, during the entire Cold War, when the USSR was at the height of its' power, they never once used nuclear weapons in anger. In fact, we even called their bluff during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Russia today is a hollow shell, and they don't have the BALLS or 1/10th of the capability they had back then. If they used nukes, they KNOW that we would turn them into a smoking hole in the ground, while they aren't so sure any of their shit would even WORK.

The Tibet that is within the internationally accepted borders of China and has been since the 50s?

you have to be retarded to the tenth degree to call this a "border dispute".  JFC

That a pretty strong critic with some of the things Ian says lol

Yup, that treaty doesn't exist.

What does exist is a treaty which Russia said they will respect Ukraines borders.

I'm fine with that.

Although I'm not sure how we could accomplish much. Not sure how we could get them Javelins or how much that would help them.

Right up there with civil war

At this point I think Ukraine has already made it clear Russia isn't a match for NATO.

Here’s also Atricle 2 of the UN Charter which the Soviet Union signed (a signature that Russia accepts as their own to keep a permanent seat on the UNSC).