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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:07:48 AM EDT
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"Friut of the poisonous tree" no longer applies. So the Rule of Law is truly dead. 
But then again we saw that with Hildabeast. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:08:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would you want to do that? 2: Would make a great thread to expose other fascist jack boots 3: Attorney might like a swing at it! |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:08:08 AM EDT
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They a kill squad or what?
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:08:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What if they did an undercover buy in his front yard and when the deal was made and they tried to arrest him he then got away and ran back in his house and locked the door? Would your opinion change if they chased him in the house and happened to see a pile of meth on his table while arresting him? I could be way off base but I hope I'm not because if so, this is pretty bad. And I haven't read the fine print so who knows. I'm just saying I think there's more to the story.  Ever heard of exigency?
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:08:46 AM EDT
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It's a bureacratic symbolic act.
Obtaining a warrant in 2019 is nothing like obtaining a warrant in 1791. It's just paperwork, not even that really. Back when the Republic was young, it was supposed to be hard to infringe on individual liberty, and private property. But today, it's just symbolic BS. If the government bureaucrats turn their eye your way, you're fucked. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:09:25 AM EDT
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Well what’s the fucking point of having laws then? |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:10:46 AM EDT
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Says they saw them when they raided his house. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:10:54 AM EDT
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I’d need more info before developing an opinion |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:11:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:11:22 AM EDT
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If the Government is not going to obey the laws, then why should I? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well what’s the fucking point of having laws then? It's always about violence. If you resist the government you will eventually lose. You will lose your property and or freedom, or you will lose your life. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:11:46 AM EDT
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Ever heard of exigency? |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:12:09 AM EDT
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Sounds like I need to make fake drugs, put them on a table and hope fascist idiots break into my house to investigate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It says they saw drugs in his kitchen which makes me think it’s in plain view. Maybe they saw it from outside a window and worried that he would destroy the evidence before a warrant could be obtained. You are completely right, there are lots of what ifs. I’d like to know the full story before developing an opinion. Otherwise I’d be just like the “my baby didn’t do nuffin” mommas that we all think are retarded. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:13:22 AM EDT
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Clown world. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:13:42 AM EDT
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National security? If not, very disturbing...... Now the government can do whatever the fuck it wants. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:14:39 AM EDT
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If they're willing to illegally enter a house and give conflicting statements to a judge after the fact about why, when, and under what circumstances they intended to get a warrant... who's to say what other laws they broke along the way?
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:14:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Better hope there's not a cop peeking in your windows if you're baking. What looks like flour might be cocaine so better kick in the dog and shoot the door just to be safe. They can get a warrant later if needed. 
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:15:03 AM EDT
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I’d need more info before developing an opinion |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:15:46 AM EDT
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Better hope there's not a cop peeking in your windows if you're baking. What looks like flour might be cocaine so better kick in the dog and shoot the door just to be safe. They can get a warrant later if needed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: It says they saw drugs in his kitchen which makes me think it’s in plain view. Maybe they saw it from outside a window and worried that he would destroy the evidence before a warrant could be obtained. You are completely right, there are lots of what ifs. I’d like to know the full story before developing an opinion. Otherwise I’d be just like the “my baby didn’t do nuffin” mommas that we all think are retarded. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:21:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It says they saw drugs in his kitchen which makes me think it’s in plain view. Maybe they saw it from outside a window and worried that he would destroy the evidence before a warrant could be obtained. You are completely right, there are lots of what ifs. I’d like to know the full story before developing an opinion. Otherwise I’d be just like the “my baby didn’t do nuffin” mommas that we all think are retarded. The conclusion reads that the search was illegal, but the illegally found evidence is admissible. We beat out a confession illegally, but we’re going to accept the confession nonetheless. It’s not slippery slope. It’s just wrong. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:24:11 AM EDT
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Lawyers = Democrats
Lawyers = Judges |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:25:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Coercion. It's always about violence. If you resist the government you will eventually lose. You will lose your life, property, and freedom, or you will lose your life. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:25:42 AM EDT
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Have we changed the paperwork to "United Banana Republic of America'' yet?
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:29:00 AM EDT
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So the 1st, 2nd, and 4th are dead.
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:29:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Coercion. It's always about violence. If you resist the government you will eventually lose. You will lose your life, property, and freedom, or you will lose your life. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:31:16 AM EDT
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So the 1st, 2nd, and 4th are dead. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:34:02 AM EDT
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What?
I don't even remotely understand how that's possible. Is this all a farce? It's seeming like this is all a sick joke. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:34:51 AM EDT
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Clarence Thomas is okay with this.
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:35:47 AM EDT
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So is this precedent now?
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:35:58 AM EDT
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https://i.imgur.com/nerhTwY.png I trust charges against the officers are being pursued, right? I mean we're a nation of laws and all. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:38:00 AM EDT
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"If it gits one of dem dopers".  "If it gits one of dem salt rifle holdouts..." Interesting times. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:38:22 AM EDT
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Seems pretty clear cut. The court said plainly the entry and subsequent search was unlawful. As such any evidence uncovered therein should be inadmissible as fruit of the poison tree, regardless of what was found. They could have found dozens of bodies stacked like cord wood in the basement and that should be inadmissible since the search was illegal. Making exceptions is how we start down the slippery slope to losing what little 4A protections are left. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:39:39 AM EDT
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This is why we have an appeal process. Even the lower court said it was illegal. Easy Peasy.
That doesn't make it right. I hope whoever it is gets rich. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:39:42 AM EDT
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In that case they wouldn't have used the word illegal. They would've had probable cause at least to enter Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: What if they did an undercover buy in his front yard and when the deal was made and they tried to arrest him he then got away and ran back in his house and locked the door? Would your opinion change if they chased him in the house and happened to see a pile of meth on his table while arresting him? I could be way off base but I hope I'm not because if so, this is pretty bad. And I haven't read the fine print so who knows. I'm just saying I think there's more to the story. They would've had probable cause at least to enter 
If they already have probable cause they can just kick the door down and get your dumb ass. What they cannot do is kick down your door without a warrant to look for that initial probable cause. Not remotely the same thing. If they chase you inside to arrest you and you have a Tony Montana sized pile of blow on the coffee table next to an Uzi and a dead hooker, that stuff is still totally admissible evidence. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:43:19 AM EDT
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So it is legal for the police to break into your house and search for illegal activity to charge you with as long as they say they planned on getting a search warrant?
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:47:37 AM EDT
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So it is legal for the police to break into your house and search for illegal activity to charge you with as long as they say they planned on getting a search warrant? |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 12:51:52 AM EDT
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Clarence Thomas is okay with this. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:05:28 AM EDT
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So is this precedent now? It guarantees stable employment, jobs, benefits, and purpose. All without producing actual tradable value. No free market economic pressure or voluntary exchange. How does a philosophy major make a living in modern society? They either sell self-help courses or books, teach, preach in a church, or they become lawyers and hopefully judges. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:11:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:13:25 AM EDT
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The time for the 2A to really make it's meaning clear fast approaches. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:16:50 AM EDT
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So it is legal for the police to break into your house and search for illegal activity to charge you with as long as they say they planned on getting a search warrant? |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:17:38 AM EDT
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Based off the info I would not he surprised if it does get tossed down the line.
Granted we don't have all the facts, but it has been admitted it was an illegal search. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:17:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, we should all embrace this decision. I plan on eventually getting tax stamps, so it should be fine to go ahead and take possession of all the machine guns and silencers I want. 
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:18:24 AM EDT
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A raid without a warrant is called home invasion.
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:21:03 AM EDT
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i wonder if they realize the reason they need a warrant is because without one, they are breaking into the house illegally, which means the homeowner has every right to shoot every single one of them and would not be charged with homicide. the warrant is to protect them just as much to protect the homeowner. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:25:12 AM EDT
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i wonder if they realize the reason they need a warrant is because without one, they are breaking into the house illegally, which means the homeowner has every right to shoot every single one of them and would not be charged with homicide. the warrant is to protect them just as much to protect the homeowner. And people are suprised that people posing as cops for home invasions works. Which is basically what this was. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:26:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:28:37 AM EDT
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I'm betting the phrase "inevitable discovery" is in that decision somewhere.
They had more than enough to get a warrant prior to going in. Nothing from the search changed that. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:32:23 AM EDT
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I'm betting the phrase "inevitable discovery" is in that decision somewhere. They had more than enough to get a warrant prior to going in. Nothing from the search changed that. Just because it yeilded results doesn't make it right. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:32:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What if they did an undercover buy in his front yard and when the deal was made and they tried to arrest him he then got away and ran back in his house and locked the door? Would your opinion change if they chased him in the house and happened to see a pile of meth on his table while arresting him? I could be way off base but I hope I'm not because if so, this is pretty bad. And I haven't read the fine print so who knows. I'm just saying I think there's more to the story. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:37:54 AM EDT
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I'm betting the phrase "inevitable discovery" is in that decision somewhere. They had more than enough to get a warrant prior to going in. Nothing from the search changed that. 
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