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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:04:07 PM EDT
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No, They walk in and push it through an IV before even explaining what can happen Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Is the govt. forcing them down your throat too? But IV pain meds are typically for short-term or to suppress immediate pain and is switched to tablets soon after. Anyway, any pain pill addict can quit by tapering off. Pain docs do it to their patients all the time. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:07:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing is more character building than sitting on the shitter for 2 hours pushing out grape-sized pellets of super dense poop.  And to add; Heroin and Pill addicts are idiots. "Hey! Let's do these really expensive drugs and when they wear off we'll feel like death until we get more!" SIGN ME UP! Fuck junkies. I hope they die with needles in their arms. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:14:11 PM EDT
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I had surgery on my foot and was prescribed a heavy dose of pain pills. I didn't poo for like a week. I had to go back to the doc for a checkup on my foot and the poos finally hit. I ran to the bathroom and pushed out the biggest turd I'd ever seen. It had to be the thickness of a beer can. It tore my booty up, blood, etc. The nurses could hear me screaming in pain. I stopped taking the pain pills after that. And to add; Heroin and Pill addicts are idiots. "Hey! Let's do these really expensive drugs and when they wear off we'll feel like death until we get more!" SIGN ME UP! Fuck junkies. I hope they die with needles in their arms. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Nothing is more character building than sitting on the shitter for 2 hours pushing out grape-sized pellets of super dense poop. And to add; Heroin and Pill addicts are idiots. "Hey! Let's do these really expensive drugs and when they wear off we'll feel like death until we get more!" SIGN ME UP! Fuck junkies. I hope they die with needles in their arms. "A daily dose of MiraLAX could have saved you all that discomfort." 
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:23:15 PM EDT
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I don't need a script for my pain meds. CBD works for me, and I don't have to worry about erectile dysfunction, sudden cardiac death, or ass cancer as a side effect.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:23:21 PM EDT
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Which is why I am saying that the people who produce the drug and literature are more responsible than any doctor that write a script or orders the administration. Pain clinic doctors here being shut down caused an increase in demand for heroin.Now thats an evil doctor conspiracy Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Perhaps you could start out with dropping the whole "evil doctor conspiracy" shit and docs would not give you a rash back. That is one of my pet peeves. Medical conversations here can be just as annoying as gun conversations on facebook. People don't know anything about guns other than what they are fed on the media and around their friends but they just "know" everything. Same here. When one hears nonsense just as bad as "shoulder thing that goes up" level of ignorance and hysteria, it really grates on the ears. I don't trust anything anyone tells me on blind faith. I research and get multiple opinions and then make an informed decision. I've had a number of surgeries where I've had post op opiates prescribed and somehow I didn't turn into a junkie. That's called personal responsibility which is a dying art in the country. You of all people in your line of work should know that and stop enabling the junkies because that is exactly what you're doing in this thread. "it's the people who made the drug and then pushed the doctors to push them" "It's the evil gun manufacturers fault that made the gun and put it in the hand of the crazy asshole who shot up XYZ" 
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:32:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy fuck dude so if my Dr tells me to jump out of a high rise building and I do, it's the people who built the buildings fault? I don't trust anything anyone tells me on blind faith. I research and get multiple opinions and then make an informed decision. I've had a number of surgeries where I've had post op opiates prescribed and somehow I didn't turn into a junkie. That's called personal responsibility which is a dying art in the country. You of all people in your line of work should know that and stop enabling the junkies because that is exactly what you're doing in this thread. "it's the people who made the drug and then pushed the doctors to push them" "It's the evil gun manufacturers fault that made the gun and put it in the hand of the crazy asshole who shot up XYZ" |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:35:04 PM EDT
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Um, like you said, they knew the drugs were addictive and deadly (everyone did, right?). They still sold them, lobbied for deregulation, and actually advertised them to doctors as non-addictive based on a single journal article (doctors should have known better, too) all while knowing they were lying and killing people (and leaving a lot of orphans) and making a lot of money in process. I'm not a lawyer. Maybe that's not illegal. But it's wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Everybody, from the FDA to the docs to the government regulators knew, know, and will ever know that the meds are addictive and have known so since about 1860 when there was the beginnings of a huge rash of addiction in Civil War vets. And the law was desigend to protect medication manufacturers form frivolous actions kids like the laws that protect firearms manufacturers from frivolous actions. Now, what criminal act did "drug execs" do? I'm not a lawyer. Maybe that's not illegal. But it's wrong. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:35:47 PM EDT
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All narcotics should be given carefully but there really is no difference in strength between 25mcg of IV fentanyl and 2mg IV morphine. They are equal analgesic doses. The advantage is that fentanyl is faster on and faster off so in the ER it would be a better choice for a bandage change or a closed reduction of a broken or dislocated limb, for example. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:36:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hostile? More like frustrated. You ever get frustrated when people you know repeat anti-gun lies like gospel? Same stuff with medicine. Like those people deluded by anti-gun propaganda, people deluded by "evil pharma" propaganda will vote for idiots who will make it harder for real people with real problems to get the help they need. We are already seeing the "unintended consequences" with cancer patients, trauma/burn patients, failed surgery patients, having less and less access to medications and providers willing to risk writing them. All because people repeat false crap they here--well, that's an exaggeration. There is a lot more than that to it. It's just one facet of the problem. All this opiod crisis BS started when the .gov linked reimbursement to patient satisfaction surveys and included pain control as a criteria. I actually saw ER MDs offer Percoocet Rxs to patient`s with relatively minor injuries because of the financial penalties. So I understand your frustration. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:36:55 PM EDT
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Good!
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:38:16 PM EDT
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Elderly typically trust medicine in blind faith. If you are saying they should not I agree with you Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Holy fuck dude so if my Dr tells me to jump out of a high rise building and I do, it's the people who built the buildings fault? I don't trust anything anyone tells me on blind faith. I research and get multiple opinions and then make an informed decision. I've had a number of surgeries where I've had post op opiates prescribed and somehow I didn't turn into a junkie. That's called personal responsibility which is a dying art in the country. You of all people in your line of work should know that and stop enabling the junkies because that is exactly what you're doing in this thread. "it's the people who made the drug and then pushed the doctors to push them" "It's the evil gun manufacturers fault that made the gun and put it in the hand of the crazy asshole who shot up XYZ" |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:40:59 PM EDT
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If I need pain med. which I did for my rotator cuff tear.... I sign 4 pages, allow for pill counts, drug tests. I told them to fuck off.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:41:20 PM EDT
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total bullshit. J+J Never told MD's to overprescribe, total fucking horseshit. Most Dr's aren't even visited by reps from narcotic companies. They were prescribing according to tradition learned from the "PDR".The bible that docs use when deciding which and how much of a med to give to patients. It wasn't the everyday average MD causing the issue, it was the fucking crooked fucks(who were usually foreigners, but not always) who sold their souls and the narcotics.J+J did not convince ANYONE to overprescribe. No one told stupid fucks to dissolve it and inject it,snort it or smoke it let alone lie to 10 different dos that they are in pain. IT is corrupt judges on the take from attorneys who came up with this judgment only to split the money they steal from J+J.So I hope no one is happy here because maybe the next time you need aspirin it may not be available because j+J is gone |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:43:28 PM EDT
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I wonder if some lawyers can sue God for the poppy plant. That will fix things.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:46:02 PM EDT
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This is all I got. But "rare" as you call it in this study is 0.0003 percent of people experienced addiction. I have no more arguing to do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Nowhere is "non-addictive " in that article. It says that addiction of three types of drugs were rare in hospitals. Rare--not non addictive--and yes, it has a valid point. You have repeatedly said that these meds were marketed as "non-addictive." Now show me that. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:47:27 PM EDT
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What he said. I prescribe a lot of Fentanyl (NP not MD), IV push in the ED, continuous infusions in the ICU and PCA's on the floor. It works very well and then the patient's can be changed to a multimodal regimen of oral analgesic's, often including Oxycodone as they progress. The only times addiction becomes an issue is with patient's who are already addicted to an illicit substance. Often we can get them through the acute phase and then get them into a substance abuse program. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All narcotics should be given carefully but there really is no difference in strength between 25mcg of IV fentanyl and 2mg IV morphine. They are equal analgesic doses. The advantage is that fentanyl is faster on and faster off so in the ER it would be a better choice for a bandage change or a closed reduction of a broken or dislocated limb, for example. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:48:52 PM EDT
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This will just cause the rest of their medication prices to go up. We are always looking for someone else to blame for our personal failings. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:50:31 PM EDT
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I knew I should have sued GMC and Busch when the drunk driver of the GMC truck with over 20 empty cans in it ran over my dad and killed him. Busch beer is responsible for the death of my father. Makes perfect sense.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:58:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much of those opiates were bought by medicare and medicaid patients? The state should sue itself for enabling the opiate crisis. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:03:11 PM EDT
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Plenty of drunks kill people with cars, destroy their own livers, kill family members, and otherwise cause mayhem on a daily basis. When are the alcohol makers gonna pay up for that crisis? I was a medic at one time, too. I gave plenty of people morphine for pain; I never once thought "oh my, I hope I didn't turn this person into a junkie."
We've passed the point of no return in the U.S. Critical thinking is seldom encountered. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:07:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:09:30 PM EDT
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I see this happening and fast. This will make pain meds hard to get for those in need of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This will just cause the rest of their medication prices to go up. We are always looking for someone else to blame for our personal failings. Here's a personal story: I've had exposure to a number of both opiod and "muscle relaxing"medications (Morphine, oxy, fentanyl, flexoril, ativan, valium) for back issues and 3 different surgeries. I know that out of all those meds fentanyl and valium are the ones that work. The others either make me sick (to the point of throwing up from nausea which causes issue from the surgery sutures) or just don't have an effect. You know what look I get when I tell the doctor what meds work and what don't? They look at me like I'm just seeking drugs...... Then they prescribe meds that either don't work or make me sick as a dog. I've literally flushed a bottle of oxy down the toilet and took ibuprofen and acetaminophen instead of puking my guts out and tearing stitches. Thanks junkies |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:10:07 PM EDT
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And make pain management meds tougher for the people that actually need them. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:12:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:21:04 PM EDT
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total bullshit. J+J Never told MD's to overprescribe, total fucking horseshit. Most Dr's aren't even visited by reps from narcotic companies. They were prescribing according to tradition learned from the "PDR".The bible that docs use when deciding which and how much of a med to give to patients. It wasn't the everyday average MD causing the issue, it was the fucking crooked fucks(who were usually foreigners, but not always) who sold their souls and the narcotics.J+J did not convince ANYONE to overprescribe. No one told stupid fucks to dissolve it and inject it,snort it or smoke it let alone lie to 10 different dos that they are in pain. IT is corrupt judges on the take from attorneys who came up with this judgment only to split the money they steal from J+J.So I hope no one is happy here because maybe the next time you need aspirin it may not be available because j+J is gone |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:22:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWell in that companies defense if you stop breathing your cough is cured........   
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:28:21 PM EDT
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Doesn't this set a president for gun manufacturers.? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good. Let me guess: "big corporations bad!"  |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:30:17 PM EDT
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Elderly typically trust medicine in blind faith. If you are saying they should not I agree with you |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:30:28 PM EDT
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I was at the Dr today and 4 reps from 3 narco companies were in the lobby with me. One was bitching about having to turn in his company car (Equinox) with 17,000 miles on it. Another was complaining about a delay in his TSA precheck delay. Dude flew all the way to Alabama.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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total bullshit. J+J Never told MD's to overprescribe, total fucking horseshit. Most Dr's aren't even visited by reps from narcotic companies. They were prescribing according to tradition learned from the "PDR".The bible that docs use when deciding which and how much of a med to give to patients. It wasn't the everyday average MD causing the issue, it was the fucking crooked fucks(who were usually foreigners, but not always) who sold their souls and the narcotics.J+J did not convince ANYONE to overprescribe. No one told stupid fucks to dissolve it and inject it,snort it or smoke it let alone lie to 10 different dos that they are in pain. IT is corrupt judges on the take from attorneys who came up with this judgment only to split the money they steal from J+J.So I hope no one is happy here because maybe the next time you need aspirin it may not be available because j+J is gone I was at the Dr today and 4 reps from 3 narco companies were in the lobby with me. One was bitching about having to turn in his company car (Equinox) with 17,000 miles on it. Another was complaining about a delay in his TSA precheck delay. Dude flew all the way to Alabama. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:32:40 PM EDT
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[blueJ What crimes, pray tell? The opiate "crisis" was manufactured BY the very same politicians and lawyers who now are bemoaning it. Remember, "pain is the 5th vital sign! OMG! Meanie doctors are leaving people in PAIN! Sue them! Regulate them!"[/blue] Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: When the doctor you trust prescribes you an addictive chemical exactly who is responsible? When, in the depths of the opioid crisis, Congesscritters change the law to make it harder to shut down the companies churning out the drugs exactly who is responsible? When DEA officials, who should be prosecuting the drug companies but are angling for better-paying jobs lobbying for them, fail to prosecute crimes exactly who is responsible? What crimes, pray tell? The opiate "crisis" was manufactured BY the very same politicians and lawyers who now are bemoaning it. Remember, "pain is the 5th vital sign! OMG! Meanie doctors are leaving people in PAIN! Sue them! Regulate them!"[/blue] |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:36:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When the doctor you trust prescribes you an addictive chemical exactly who is responsible? When, in the depths of the opioid crisis, Congesscritters change the law to make it harder to shut down the companies churning out the drugs exactly who is responsible? When DEA officials, who should be prosecuting the drug companies but are angling for better-paying jobs lobbying for them, fail to prosecute crimes exactly who is responsible? Is a car salesman responsible for your speeding ticket when he tells you that new Mustang you bought will do 120 mph? |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:38:15 PM EDT
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My time on a jury was depressing. It taught me that this kind of thing has nothing to do with the truth of a situation. It's about who has a better lawyer (or team of lawyers), and that's about it.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:39:00 PM EDT
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I wonder what the outcry will be when J&J & the other pharma corps just decide to stop manufacturing opioids, to avoid lawsuits & further liablilties? The spice must flow. 
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:51:10 PM EDT
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Typical America nowadays. Blame the company that makes a product instead of the idiots that abuse it.
I could see it being some doctors fault for getting some people on certain drugs though. Most doctors are fuckin idiots. Others are just in it for the loot. This is like blaming "X" firearm company because their product was used in a crime. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:54:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plenty of blame from manufacturer CEOs to the patients, but the "solutions" to the problem will do nothing but make things worse for everyone except the drug companies & politicians. Anyone with a shred of critical thinking skills can't possibly believe that the war on drugs has done anything other than that. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:56:28 PM EDT
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This. A few more years fighting opiods, and all the druggies will still be druggies, just on heroin now, and non drug addicts screaming in agony because no one will prescribe them narcotics for legit pain. Druggies gonna seek drugs no matter what, just like gun control though, its the legal decent people who will get fucked because excuses are made for peoples shitty behavior. Everyone has a disease now, even 600lb land whales. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This will just cause the rest of their medication prices to go up. We are always looking for someone else to blame for our personal failings. Druggies gonna seek drugs no matter what, just like gun control though, its the legal decent people who will get fucked because excuses are made for peoples shitty behavior. Everyone has a disease now, even 600lb land whales. "It's not your fault you shove 87 pounds of food in your gullet everyday. It's the foods fault" "Oh, you need a drink at 5am? You have a disease" (when in reality, no, you're just a fuckin idiot with no control) |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:57:24 PM EDT
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We should just make opioids illegal. That would fix it.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 11:59:45 PM EDT
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They kill me with this "opioid epidemic" talk. Everyone with half a working brain has known that shit is addictive for 300+ years. It's been used in medicine in the Far East since the 7th century. It's not like it's something new.
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Posted: 8/27/2019 12:01:13 AM EDT
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We should just make opioids illegal. That would fix it. |
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Posted: 8/27/2019 12:01:22 AM EDT
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They kill me with this "opioid epidemic" talk. Everyone with half a working brain has known that shit is addictive for 300+ years. It's been used in medicine in the Far East since the 7th century. It's not like it's something new. Why would they need a scapegoat? 
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Posted: 8/27/2019 12:01:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2019 12:30:51 AM EDT
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Ok, I'll give you that point, but you know how many elderly people I've seen OD? probably about the same as you, ZERO. It's not the elderly we deal with on a daily basis is it(as far as ODs)? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Holy fuck dude so if my Dr tells me to jump out of a high rise building and I do, it's the people who built the buildings fault? I don't trust anything anyone tells me on blind faith. I research and get multiple opinions and then make an informed decision. I've had a number of surgeries where I've had post op opiates prescribed and somehow I didn't turn into a junkie. That's called personal responsibility which is a dying art in the country. You of all people in your line of work should know that and stop enabling the junkies because that is exactly what you're doing in this thread. "it's the people who made the drug and then pushed the doctors to push them" "It's the evil gun manufacturers fault that made the gun and put it in the hand of the crazy asshole who shot up XYZ" I'm actually going to quote myself because I've had some time to digest what you said and it's fucking insulting! You know out of all the people we deal with the elderly are the ones (along with children) who I treat with the most respect and compassion. Typically the elderly patient needs to be talked into going to the hospital because they don't want to go (for a number of reasons) but they are the patients with the most "personal responsibility". The last was a couple months ago elderly woman with legit broken ribs from a fall who came in as a "lift assist" at first who was having "sore ribs and a little trouble breathing and just wanted us to put her back in bed" when we got there. They grew up in an era where society wasn't coddled and adults treated like children that you see today. I've literally had to beg with elderly patients (as we did this woman) to let us transport them when they were in a grave circumstance. I've also seen whiny teens and 20 year olds transported by ambulance for a toothache, headache, earache, minor scrape dings and cuts that they could have drove themselves, got a ride from a friend or called a cab for but hey, the taxpayer is providing it so bust out the "free money" express amberlampse. Oh yeah, I've seen people we had to give Narcan to a couple times a day because they OD over and over again. It all boils down to a little thing called personal accountability. Probably a solid half to three quarters of the people we deal with on a daily basis are in situations that they created for themselves. It's not the drug companies pushing the needle into the vein..... It's not the gun but the crazy fuck that pulls the trigger..... So please, take a pause (in this thread and in your career) and stop enabling these freeloading junkies and place the blame where it belongs. |
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Posted: 8/27/2019 12:33:13 AM EDT
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And make pain management meds tougher for the people that actually need them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This will just cause the rest of their medication prices to go up. We are always looking for someone else to blame for our personal failings. the BS I have to go through to get medication is crazy Florida is really bad |
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Posted: 8/27/2019 12:42:12 AM EDT
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WTF! I have 3 different Opioid's sitting right in front of me, Every single one says:
OPIOID, RISK OF OVERDOSE AND ADDICTION!!!! Doctors will not give out 2 Opioid's together, my other takes one and I am the pill dispenser for her, I take 2 diferent ones and switch from one to the other when one runs out. Back in the day they gave an Opioid and Vicodin together. Worked really good too. But DR's now go to the excuse of said studies show?!! shit. Also way back in the 70's, when I had a really bad accident in the face, I got topical Cocaine, it was like for chapped lips in a little can. Only way for the pain I had. and the Vicodin and Percocet. Also now on a Neurontin mega dose and a other for the 2 ripped knees I have. I am somewhat addicted but have gone without for a few months without Health Insurance. But the Pain in my face is so bad at times that I just cry, even with the pills that help most of the time. I need my face reconstructed and rotting bone removed and the nerve that runs across the bottom of my eye to my ear that is causing the worst pain. Only 1 surgeon in SF does this!! On the obtuse on pffttt on these types of pills, I was taking on average of about 20 Excedrin Migraine and about 24 Ibuprofen a day and the shit would not do anything other that take care of my Migraines I used to get!! Nothing on the Pain I had. Oh, it is in your head, why yes, it is, my face!! Tylenol, Aspirin, Advil? Ha-ha-ha... Maybe if I take 30 pills each!! Some of us do have really bad Pain! I think I am going to SUE Louisville Slugger Baseball Bat manufacturer for they made the Bat that hit me in the face and split it wide open!!!! Oh brother. ... |
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Posted: 8/27/2019 12:51:57 AM EDT
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Which is why I am saying that the people who produce the drug and literature are more responsible than any doctor that write a script or orders the administration. Pain clinic doctors here being shut down caused an increase in demand for heroin.Now thats an evil doctor conspiracy I've seen countless number of government caused problems in this thread that have lead to the "crisis", yet you are clamoring for more government to fix the problem.
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Posted: 8/27/2019 12:56:44 AM EDT
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I am horribly confused by the part in red. The pain clinics (that were set up because of government intervention that lead standard docs to stop dealing with chronic pain) that were shut down due to government intervention is the doctors' fault? I've seen countless number of government caused problems in this thread that have lead to the "crisis", yet you are clamoring for more government to fix the problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which is why I am saying that the people who produce the drug and literature are more responsible than any doctor that write a script or orders the administration. Pain clinic doctors here being shut down caused an increase in demand for heroin.Now thats an evil doctor conspiracy I've seen countless number of government caused problems in this thread that have lead to the "crisis", yet you are clamoring for more government to fix the problem. 
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Posted: 8/27/2019 1:06:49 AM EDT
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Just wait until they get to OHIO! Two pharmacies in Mingo county WV collectively received over 20 Million opioid pills over about a decade. The town they're in has less than 3000 people. Are the pill companies responsible? Depends on how you look at it. They should have known something wasn't right. Is it their legal responsibility to stop it? Not really, but they certainly didn't seem to mind the money they made knowing that much of the pills were almost certainly being diverted to illicit use. |
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Posted: 8/27/2019 1:10:44 AM EDT
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total bullshit. J+J Never told MD's to overprescribe, total fucking horseshit. Most Dr's aren't even visited by reps from narcotic companies. They were prescribing according to tradition learned from the "PDR".The bible that docs use when deciding which and how much of a med to give to patients. It wasn't the everyday average MD causing the issue, it was the fucking crooked fucks(who were usually foreigners, but not always) who sold their souls and the narcotics.J+J did not convince ANYONE to overprescribe. No one told stupid fucks to dissolve it and inject it,snort it or smoke it let alone lie to 10 different dos that they are in pain. IT is corrupt judges on the take from attorneys who came up with this judgment only to split the money they steal from J+J.So I hope no one is happy here because maybe the next time you need aspirin it may not be available because j+J is gone |
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Posted: 8/27/2019 1:40:13 AM EDT
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And make pain management meds tougher for the people that actually need them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This will just cause the rest of their medication prices to go up. We are always looking for someone else to blame for our personal failings. |
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Posted: 8/27/2019 1:42:45 AM EDT
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Dangerous precedent.
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