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Posted: 9/19/2022 5:34:32 PM EDT
[#1]
If their gun went off by itself, in the holster, without being manipulated, they deserved to be sued, and they deserved to lose.
Their cutsomer deserves a payday.. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 5:39:16 PM EDT
[#2]
IN!
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Posted: 9/19/2022 5:41:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: However the lawsuit proves there is evidence of P320's discharging while holstered and not being manipulated. I don't think it does, not a lawyer but the Judge's wording seems to say that this incident was the only possible evidence and it wasn't known to SIG, therefore the basis for the suit is invalid. That doesn't mean it does or doesn't go off, or that this incident does or does not show it happening, just that this was the only potential evidence and it can't be used for the claim that was submitted. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 5:41:29 PM EDT
[#4]
Was it established that this was a pre-fix 320 that wasn't sent in for the recall or before the recall happened?
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Posted: 9/19/2022 5:42:18 PM EDT
[#5]
Boogerpicker+bangswitch= Oh dear.
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Posted: 9/19/2022 5:42:26 PM EDT
[#6]
Sigleg
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Posted: 9/19/2022 5:42:33 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If their gun went off by itself, in the holster, without being manipulated, they deserved to be sued, and they deserved to lose. Their cutsomer deserves a payday.. Yeah. That’s really bad. At least now we know for certain that the p320 did go off on its own. All the people who said otherwise were wrong. My question is, did they (sig) fix the issue? Or is this still an issue? |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 5:47:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was it established that this was a pre-fix 320 that wasn't sent in for the recall or before the recall happened? 
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Posted: 9/19/2022 5:47:51 PM EDT
[#9]
Sig is trash.
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Posted: 9/19/2022 5:55:43 PM EDT
[#10]
It’s almost like sig is trash
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Posted: 9/19/2022 5:57:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. That's really bad. At least now we know for certain that the p320 did go off on its own. All the people who said otherwise were wrong. My question is, did they (sig) fix the issue? Or is this still an issue? |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 5:58:47 PM EDT
[#12]
Happened to a cop here in Milwaukee recently.
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Posted: 9/19/2022 5:59:26 PM EDT
[#13]
So it went off on its own through no fault of the operator then sig is at fault for pushing a faulty product. That judges ruling is retarded.
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Posted: 9/19/2022 5:59:48 PM EDT
[#14]
How about NOW? Do they know now? Or will they keep making the same argument for each suit? "really?! we didnt know"..
p.s. Have they fixed the problem yet? |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:00:42 PM EDT
[#15]
I'm glad I'm not a Sig Sucker ho has to deal with premature ejaculation.
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:01:05 PM EDT
[#16]
wait, a company is not responsible for a defective design unless they know about it first?
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:03:09 PM EDT
[#17]
I sent my Sig in
I can’t really carry it anymore, I’ve gone back to Hk especially since temps gonna drop |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:03:41 PM EDT
[#18]
Reinforces my personal belief that plastic SIGS are an abomination to the Lord.
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:08:45 PM EDT
[#19]
There was a video out there on Youtube that I think has been since taken down where the guy goes into detail on how these guns still fire when bumped. IIRC the safeties require just the slightest amount of movement to disengage that minimal debris even lint can build up and then when bumped, because the striker is fully cocked it releases the sear.
Who would have thought that taking the failed DAO action of the P250 and then forcing it into a striker fired gun and then lying and saying it's nothing like the P250 but a whole new design.. that they would have ANY issues at all. I used to LOVE Sig Sauer. I don't like Sig USA at all. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:10:24 PM EDT
[#20]
Will this go like the last time?
Our guns are perfect and don't go off by themselves and anyone who says otherwise is a big meanie. Insert internet doing their thing. Okay okay okay, you're all right. Our guns do go off by themselves but good news while we were lying to you we were also working on a fix. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:14:02 PM EDT
[#21]
Fuck Sigs (and Glocks too)
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:16:32 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a video out there on Youtube that I think has been since taken down where the guy goes into detail on how these guns still fire when bumped. IIRC the safeties require just the slightest amount of movement to disengage that minimal debris even lint can build up and then when bumped, because the striker is fully cocked it releases the sear. Who would have thought that taking the failed DAO action of the P250 and then forcing it into a striker fired gun and then lying and saying it's nothing like the P250 but a whole new design.. that they would have ANY issues at all. I used to LOVE Sig Sauer. I don't like Sig USA at all. The p250 and p320 internals are nothing alike. The empty fcu is similar, but that's it. The 250 is dao hammer fired and the 320 is sao striker fired. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:19:30 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Will this go like the last time? Our guns are perfect and don't go off by themselves and anyone who says otherwise is a big meanie. Insert internet doing their thing. Okay okay okay, you're all right. Our guns do go off by themselves but good news while we were lying to you we were also working on a fix. Gotta go back in time to when "The P320 isn't a reengineering of the failed P250 but an all new design!" |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:19:34 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck Sigs (and Glocks too) At least Glock has three passive safeties. 
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:19:45 PM EDT
[#25]
There was no evidence produced that said the gun was unsafe.
All the judge said was that the plaintiffs main piece of evidence was not seen by Sig until 3 years after the plaintiffs incident occurred. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:22:30 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The p250 and p320 internals are nothing alike. The empty fcu is similar, but that's it. The 250 is dao hammer fired and the 320 is sao striker fired. This dude literally turned his P250 into a P320. The only difference in the FCU is they had to remove a little bit of material and drill some holes as you would expect for a reengineered design. There is a reason the P320 looks like there should be a hammer and the bore axis is so high. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:23:51 PM EDT
[#27]
Another Cop with Sigleg. The Sig P320 design appears to be flawed if there are once again new issues. How many of these things did Big Army buy again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q8coRUe8sc |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:24:46 PM EDT
[#28]
There's plenty of talk about the video, yet nobody is showing it to the public.
I remain skeptical of the accusations. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:26:59 PM EDT
[#29]
See! I told y'all it can happen!!!
-Alec Baldwin |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:27:38 PM EDT
[#30]
Is there a solenoid/actuator in my 320 somewhere that pulls the triggers while it’s sitting untouched in a holster?
I’ve dropped and beat the shit out of mine and it hasn’t gone off. Do I need the solenoid replaced? |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:29:57 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a solenoid/actuator in my 320 somewhere that pulls the triggers while it’s sitting untouched in a holster? I’ve dropped and beat the shit out of mine and it hasn’t gone off. Do I need the solenoid replaced? Ticking time bomb |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:32:32 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This dude literally turned his P250 into a P320. The only difference in the FCU is they had to remove a little bit of material and drill some holes as you would expect for a reengineered design. There is a reason the P320 looks like there should be a hammer and the bore axis is so high. You're leaving out the part where all the small parts are different. You've worked on both yourself in person though and that's how you know this. You definitely do have to drill some different holes in the fcu, but that's nowhere near the whole process. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:46:07 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're leaving out the part where all the small parts are different. You've worked on both yourself in person though and that's how you know this. You definitely do have to drill some different holes in the fcu, but that's nowhere near the whole process. My post was that the P320 is a reengineered P250 which I think you just agreed to, not that they use different parts. Of course they do. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:47:30 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There was no evidence produced that said the gun was unsafe. All the judge said was that the plaintiffs main piece of evidence was not seen by Sig until 3 years after the plaintiffs incident occurred. shhh, the jerk has started. it will just have to run its natural course. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:50:36 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: See! I told y'all it can happen!!! -Alec Baldwin  |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:51:13 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a solenoid/actuator in my 320 somewhere that pulls the triggers while it's sitting untouched in a holster? I've dropped and beat the shit out of mine and it hasn't gone off. Do I need the solenoid replaced? |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:53:40 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The p250 and p320 internals are nothing alike. The empty fcu is similar, but that's it. The 250 is dao hammer fired and the 320 is sao striker fired. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There was a video out there on Youtube that I think has been since taken down where the guy goes into detail on how these guns still fire when bumped. IIRC the safeties require just the slightest amount of movement to disengage that minimal debris even lint can build up and then when bumped, because the striker is fully cocked it releases the sear. Who would have thought that taking the failed DAO action of the P250 and then forcing it into a striker fired gun and then lying and saying it's nothing like the P250 but a whole new design.. that they would have ANY issues at all. I used to LOVE Sig Sauer. I don't like Sig USA at all. The p250 and p320 internals are nothing alike. The empty fcu is similar, but that's it. The 250 is dao hammer fired and the 320 is sao striker fired. Is my p365 safe? |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:54:11 PM EDT
[#38]
If a gun can malfunction because it has not been cleaned - whose fault is that. If they put an 8lb trigger in it - would we complain more?
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:56:16 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a video out there on Youtube that I think has been since taken down where the guy goes into detail on how these guns still fire when bumped. IIRC the safeties require just the slightest amount of movement to disengage that minimal debris even lint can build up and then when bumped, because the striker is fully cocked it releases the sear. Who would have thought that taking the failed DAO action of the P250 and then forcing it into a striker fired gun and then lying and saying it's nothing like the P250 but a whole new design.. that they would have ANY issues at all. I used to LOVE Sig Sauer. I don't like Sig USA at all. Hey now, the last production P250s were nice with about an 8lb pull. My mother in law asked to borrow mine a decade ago. She still hasn't given it back. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:57:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My post was that the P320 is a reengineered P250 which I think you just agreed to, not that they use different parts. Of course they do. They sort of share a housing and even that's not drop in. It can be modified to work. Other than that they operate totally differently. And the issue at hand here is possibly caused by the p320 operating system, which again shares nothing with the p250. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 6:58:31 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is my p365 safe? P365 is a completely different design |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 7:00:25 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: P365 is a completely different design Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is my p365 safe? P365 is a completely different design |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 7:01:17 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another Cop with Sigleg. The Sig P320 design appears to be flawed if there are once again new issues. How many of these things did Big Army buy again? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q8coRUe8sc |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 7:05:52 PM EDT
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Some inside the pants holsters I wear in the small of my back will flip topside out and the barrel is pointed directly my lower spine IF the pants or shorts are loose (when getting up from a seated position, sometimes the rails on the back of a chair will do it). I was just thinking about this the other day - what if the pistol went off! I usually carry a Px4SC which is a double/single with hammer drop de-cock safety plus it has a firing pin block. But, I have a lot of small short barreled striker fired pistols like a Taurus GX4, S&W Shield Plus, etc.. I was considering a Sig as well.
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Posted: 9/19/2022 7:06:15 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is my p365 safe? No idea, haven't done anything with them. I haven't heard any problems though, except the strikers breaking. That was an early problem and i believe has been dealt with. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 7:06:56 PM EDT
[#46]
So the plaintiff claims he was playing with his holstered pistol and it fired, and his main evidence supporting his claim was a video of a cop exiting his cruiser and his P320 firing?
Seems like rock solid proof to me. That's why it happens all the time at USPSA matches and in classes after all. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 7:17:08 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At least Glock has three passive safeties. Which didn't help at all in the early 1990s when Glocks went kapow without having anyone press the trigger. Guy at our department had one go bang while fully secured in a Safariland Model 070 level three retention holster while parked at the station. ETA: Fortunately for Glock, the internet didn't exist. Glock also pioneered the "upgrade" euphemism for "recall". ETA2: I'm still a Glock guy. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 7:30:53 PM EDT
[#48]
So as long as I don't know that I really fucked something up I'm not liable????
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Posted: 9/19/2022 7:31:10 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So the plaintiff claims he was playing with his holstered pistol and it fired, and his main evidence supporting his claim was a video of a cop exiting his cruiser and his P320 firing? Seems like rock solid proof to me. That's why it happens all the time at USPSA matches and in classes after all. Or was it the holster? |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 7:36:09 PM EDT
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I still haven't seen the video.
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