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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:41:48 AM EST
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Saw it last night with limaxray and a few other guys.
1.) Nothing like other Michael Bay movies I've seen. 2.) Very well done film. Not just from a cinematography perspective, but the story is compelling, and the acting was quite good. 3.) Did a good job of staying apolitical, but pointing out how the fedgov fucked up bigtime. 4.) I'm more pissed at the government than I was yesterday. FHRC, FBHO, and fuck their foreign policy that was so averse to allowing this to look like an incident that they let people die for their polling numbers. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:53:38 AM EST
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Was he blind the whole time? Yes, FBHO has been blind the WHOLE time. 
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:02:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, FBHO has been blind the WHOLE time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Was he blind the whole time? Yes, FBHO has been blind the WHOLE time. It's just that the people he leads aren't the people he cares about. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:14:06 AM EST
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That's just it: there was/is. Only one thing (word) missing: "EXECUTE." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't know it was the guy from the office, thought he looked familiar. Good movie. Take what you like from it, but the Ambassador put himself and his people in danger. Had he survived he would be the one held accountable. The CIA station chief put his people in the same predicament. Seemed odd that the CIA didn't have a solid exfil plan. That's just it: there was/is. Only one thing (word) missing: "EXECUTE." that is just it, there is no "Execute" order for this action, it can only be STOPPED with a "Stand Down" order coming from one or the other of TWO people in the Executive... HRC has said that the families of Doherty, Woods and Smith are "Misremembering" that she told them to their face that it was due to a movie... Basically calling them liars... Speaking of that movie, didn't they arrest the guy who made it? What happened with that? |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:15:59 AM EST
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HRC is anathema.
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:19:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: HRC is anathema. and has wet brain. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:21:27 AM EST
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i didn't believe that till i met an actual SEAL...not what i expected Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just cant get over the tall skinny guy from the office being an elite operator.. John Krasinski fucking nailed the part. There are plenty of "elite operators" who look and act nothing like the stereotype. i didn't believe that till i met an actual SEAL...not what i expected I've met two read deal SEALs. Neither was taller than 5'10" and they were not obviously muscular. They were in great shape and I saw one go probably an eighth into do not eff with me more and that was plenty far enough. One of them worked the range at a Scout camp I was at many years ago. Cool guy to learn from Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:24:10 AM EST
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that is just it, there is no "Execute" order for this action, it can only be STOPPED with a "Stand Down" order coming from one or the other of TWO people in the Executive... HRC has said that the families of Doherty, Woods and Smith are "Misremembering" that she told them to their face that it was due to a movie... Basically calling them liars... Speaking of that movie, didn't they arrest the guy who made it? What happened with that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't know it was the guy from the office, thought he looked familiar. Good movie. Take what you like from it, but the Ambassador put himself and his people in danger. Had he survived he would be the one held accountable. The CIA station chief put his people in the same predicament. Seemed odd that the CIA didn't have a solid exfil plan. That's just it: there was/is. Only one thing (word) missing: "EXECUTE." that is just it, there is no "Execute" order for this action, it can only be STOPPED with a "Stand Down" order coming from one or the other of TWO people in the Executive... HRC has said that the families of Doherty, Woods and Smith are "Misremembering" that she told them to their face that it was due to a movie... Basically calling them liars... Speaking of that movie, didn't they arrest the guy who made it? What happened with that? People are conflating multiple, somewhat loosely related occurrences that happened. What happen locally in Bengazhi is separate from what happen back in DC, in DC the required EXSEC memo request support from another agency/department did not happen till the next morning. Similarly the required change of OPCON for military did not occur until that morning., |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:30:06 AM EST
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Stevens was dead the moment he choose to stay in the trophy house with a couple of inexperienced guards in the middle of hell. He just did not know it for a few days. At least there was a nice pool.
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:38:26 AM EST
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It quite literally could have been a relatively low to mid-level State Department staffer (onsite) who had oversight over the (diplomatic) mission. He says no, the answer is no unless, as these guys eventually did, you decide to ignore the boss' order and go any way...knowing full well that there will be hell to pay (up to and including being turned over to the Libyans for criminal prosecution/trial) if you're wrong about what is happening or right, but do something wrong (i.e. collateral damage, injure/kill a civilian [which anyone killed will be regardless of what they were doing], etc.) in the process. As you might imagine, the State Department is not staffed with ex-mil guys (even the State Department "security" personnel rarely have any military experience) but rather typically quite liberal social do-gooders who can't begin to appreciate the danger inherent in their operating environment ("We're here to help 'them', they won't harm us."). The Catch 22: they react quickly enough to prevent an incident and they're cowboys. Wait until the situation is known and/or the initiative is lost and they're at fault for taking too long. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What REALLY frustrates me about this whole deal.....is why the guy who gave the Stand down order has not been named.....brought up to the hill to answer questions.....such as....WHO THE FUCK TOLD YOU TO STAND DOWN? I don't see anyone following this up the chain. If they did....I sure as hell haven't seen anything. Heads should have rolled.......instead we get crickets. It quite literally could have been a relatively low to mid-level State Department staffer (onsite) who had oversight over the (diplomatic) mission. He says no, the answer is no unless, as these guys eventually did, you decide to ignore the boss' order and go any way...knowing full well that there will be hell to pay (up to and including being turned over to the Libyans for criminal prosecution/trial) if you're wrong about what is happening or right, but do something wrong (i.e. collateral damage, injure/kill a civilian [which anyone killed will be regardless of what they were doing], etc.) in the process. As you might imagine, the State Department is not staffed with ex-mil guys (even the State Department "security" personnel rarely have any military experience) but rather typically quite liberal social do-gooders who can't begin to appreciate the danger inherent in their operating environment ("We're here to help 'them', they won't harm us."). The Catch 22: they react quickly enough to prevent an incident and they're cowboys. Wait until the situation is known and/or the initiative is lost and they're at fault for taking too long. You clearly know jack shit about who staff the State Department as Foreign Sevice Officers or Diplomatic Security. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:46:22 AM EST
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Stevens was dead the moment he choose to stay in the trophy house with a couple of inexperienced guards in the middle of hell. He just did not know it for a few days. At least there was a nice pool. Consider researching how many previous attacks and pleas for security he requested. He knew what was coming and knew why he wasn't getting support. Ask your yourself what happened in that meeting with the Turks about Libyan weapons headed for Syria the day he died. The lies that followed his death are still pretty unbelievable though. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:48:51 AM EST
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Most DSS agents I know are former military or former law enforcement; for a while though one of the GS15/FS1 equivalent agents I was dealing with was a 90lbs female with neither military nor LE experience prior to becoming an agent.
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:58:19 AM EST
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Does the movie address the missles allegedly being smuggled by the State dept?
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:03:06 AM EST
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Does the movie address the missles allegedly being smuggled by the State dept? I think they talked about manpads for about 10 seconds but other than that nothing. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:17:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOooo, what brand of pants are those??? |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:23:37 AM EST
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Saw it last night. Very good movie. It was tough to watch at some points. The blood is on the gov. hands. They watched them men get slaughtered and did nothing about it.
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:24:09 AM EST
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HRC's name is not mentioned, tons of action and heroics - very accurate depiction of small unit tactics - great detail to weapon realism/handling. Probably didn't want to get sued. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:25:17 AM EST
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You clearly know jack shit about who staff the State Department as Foreign Sevice Officers or Diplomatic Security. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What REALLY frustrates me about this whole deal.....is why the guy who gave the Stand down order has not been named.....brought up to the hill to answer questions.....such as....WHO THE FUCK TOLD YOU TO STAND DOWN? I don't see anyone following this up the chain. If they did....I sure as hell haven't seen anything. Heads should have rolled.......instead we get crickets. It quite literally could have been a relatively low to mid-level State Department staffer (onsite) who had oversight over the (diplomatic) mission. He says no, the answer is no unless, as these guys eventually did, you decide to ignore the boss' order and go any way...knowing full well that there will be hell to pay (up to and including being turned over to the Libyans for criminal prosecution/trial) if you're wrong about what is happening or right, but do something wrong (i.e. collateral damage, injure/kill a civilian [which anyone killed will be regardless of what they were doing], etc.) in the process. As you might imagine, the State Department is not staffed with ex-mil guys (even the State Department "security" personnel rarely have any military experience) but rather typically quite liberal social do-gooders who can't begin to appreciate the danger inherent in their operating environment ("We're here to help 'them', they won't harm us."). The Catch 22: they react quickly enough to prevent an incident and they're cowboys. Wait until the situation is known and/or the initiative is lost and they're at fault for taking too long. You clearly know jack shit about who staff the State Department as Foreign Sevice Officers or Diplomatic Security. Go on... |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:27:08 AM EST
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Does the movie address the missles allegedly being smuggled by the State dept? Yes, it actually showed them buying arms from local militias (I assume that's who it was). |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:27:59 AM EST
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Obama failed to use his phone that day.
He failed to authorize the jets to do a fly over or Africom to send SF both could have been in the area in hours. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:28:46 AM EST
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The Clinton defense force is giving the movie bad reviews vs the user ratings.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/13_hours_the_secret_soldiers_of_benghazi/ |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:32:12 AM EST
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I just cant get over the tall skinny guy from the office being an elite operator.. He brings the hate. And he's been working out. 
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:34:12 AM EST
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i didn't believe that till i met an actual SEAL...not what i expected Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just cant get over the tall skinny guy from the office being an elite operator.. John Krasinski fucking nailed the part. There are plenty of "elite operators" who look and act nothing like the stereotype. i didn't believe that till i met an actual SEAL...not what i expected Excellent swimmers don't tend to look like Mr. Universe. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:36:54 AM EST
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The Clinton defense force is giving the movie bad reviews vs the user ratings. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/13_hours_the_secret_soldiers_of_benghazi/ Holy fuck, slight disconnect between critics and audience approval. Arfcom FIREMISSION ahead? 
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:38:45 AM EST
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Highly recommended - 4.5 stars - Michael Bay did one heck of a job directing the flick, true to the book, fuck politicians - that is all. Will my wife cry? I saw it last night and you could hear sobbing throughout the theater at the end. The woman behind me was absolutely sobbing. I think she and her husband knew one of the victims. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:39:40 AM EST
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Those who have seen it, how do the action scenes stack up to Blackhawk Down? At least as good, if not better in some scenes. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:42:44 AM EST
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I thought 13 hrs was better, but technology has changed a lot, so you have to take that into account. 13 hrs. is hard to watch without having a seizure because of the sensory overload. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those who have seen it, how do the action scenes stack up to Blackhawk Down? I thought 13 hrs was better, but technology has changed a lot, so you have to take that into account. 13 hrs. is hard to watch without having a seizure because of the sensory overload. Ridley Scott (BHD director) said that there was no way the movie could accurately portray the volume and intensity of the fighting...and that the movie goers wouldn't have been able to withstand it. He purposely built breaks and reliefs into the action. Kinda funny to hear it put that way. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:44:45 AM EST
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My wife and I saw it last night. I walked out very angry at our "leaders". No real political statements were made, and blame wasn't really assigned, but like OP says, it's not too difficult to connect the dots.
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:48:26 AM EST
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I recall the Bret Baier interview quite well. I assume the movie is about those guys. If so, gut-wrenching, and inspiring stuff. True men. It is, and the same 3 guys are back in the news refuting claims that that the movie isn't accurate. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:53:49 AM EST
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that is just it, there is no "Execute" order for this action, it can only be STOPPED with a "Stand Down" order coming from one or the other of TWO people in the Executive... HRC has said that the families of Doherty, Woods and Smith are "Misremembering" that she told them to their face that it was due to a movie... Basically calling them liars... Speaking of that movie, didn't they arrest the guy who made it? What happened with that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't know it was the guy from the office, thought he looked familiar. Good movie. Take what you like from it, but the Ambassador put himself and his people in danger. Had he survived he would be the one held accountable. The CIA station chief put his people in the same predicament. Seemed odd that the CIA didn't have a solid exfil plan. That's just it: there was/is. Only one thing (word) missing: "EXECUTE." that is just it, there is no "Execute" order for this action, it can only be STOPPED with a "Stand Down" order coming from one or the other of TWO people in the Executive... HRC has said that the families of Doherty, Woods and Smith are "Misremembering" that she told them to their face that it was due to a movie... Basically calling them liars... Speaking of that movie, didn't they arrest the guy who made it? What happened with that? On the contract side, they had to be given permission (i.e. authorized) to act from whoever was the Dept. of State official in charge of the mission. The fact that the CIA official used the term "stand down" is a coincidence. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:56:03 AM EST
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People are conflating multiple, somewhat loosely related occurrences that happened. What happen locally in Bengazhi is separate from what happen back in DC, in DC the required EXSEC memo request support from another agency/department did not happen till the next morning. Similarly the required change of OPCON for military did not occur until that morning., Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't know it was the guy from the office, thought he looked familiar. Good movie. Take what you like from it, but the Ambassador put himself and his people in danger. Had he survived he would be the one held accountable. The CIA station chief put his people in the same predicament. Seemed odd that the CIA didn't have a solid exfil plan. That's just it: there was/is. Only one thing (word) missing: "EXECUTE." that is just it, there is no "Execute" order for this action, it can only be STOPPED with a "Stand Down" order coming from one or the other of TWO people in the Executive... HRC has said that the families of Doherty, Woods and Smith are "Misremembering" that she told them to their face that it was due to a movie... Basically calling them liars... Speaking of that movie, didn't they arrest the guy who made it? What happened with that? People are conflating multiple, somewhat loosely related occurrences that happened. What happen locally in Bengazhi is separate from what happen back in DC, in DC the required EXSEC memo request support from another agency/department did not happen till the next morning. Similarly the required change of OPCON for military did not occur until that morning., Agreed. The chain of command associated with contractors, the Dept. of State and the military is complex to say the least. I was referring to the contractors on the ground being denied permission to act. Others, as you say, are conflating other orders that were or were not issued further up the CoC. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:58:58 AM EST
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Most DSS agents I know are former military or former law enforcement; for a while though one of the GS15/FS1 equivalent agents I was dealing with was a 90lbs female with neither military nor LE experience prior to becoming an agent. Of course they are. And of course that's not the billet I was referencing when what's-his-name chimed in. 
Oh, wait, he said I know jack shit...that's a compliment, right? |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 11:00:16 AM EST
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Saw it last night. Damn good movie. They never mention Hilary or Obama by name but definitely show that the US .gov as a whole did absolutely nothing.
"POTUS has been briefed. Stand down." Bay actually did a good job on the movie. I was skeptical when I saw he was directing but it came out good. Lot of gun fire and shit blowing up like he likes. 
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Posted: 1/16/2016 11:05:04 AM EST
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Holy fuck, slight disconnect between critics and audience approval. Arfcom FIREMISSION ahead? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Clinton defense force is giving the movie bad reviews vs the user ratings. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/13_hours_the_secret_soldiers_of_benghazi/ Holy fuck, slight disconnect between critics and audience approval. Arfcom FIREMISSION ahead? I saw it Thursday, I'll have to hit it when I get home. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 11:05:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I could be misremembering, but I thought in the book they said the station chief was on the phone trying to get the friendly militias to organize a rescue. But, I would have a hard time believing that he wasn't also on the phone with higher-ups as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: IIRC from the book: We are never told who the CIA station chief was, and we are never told who he was talking to on the phone when the infamous "stand down" order was given. It could have been State, or it could have been CIA. I got the impression it was more likely CIA since the operators and station chief were CIA assets, and they didn't want to blow the CIA's cover. Then again I don't know shit about how this works, so it's certainly possible that my assumption is wrong. Either way State's security situation was beyond pathetic, and HRC bears direct responsibility for the lack of adequate security for the ambassador. I remember reading one of Col. Jeff Cooper's books in a part he recounts doing spook work in some 3rd world shithole. He related that the No. 1 rule of security was to NEVER rely on local mercs in the turd world. I could be misremembering, but I thought in the book they said the station chief was on the phone trying to get the friendly militias to organize a rescue. But, I would have a hard time believing that he wasn't also on the phone with higher-ups as well. That's the damn truth. We have a good number playing both sides of the fence. Money talks, and when the monthly food ration from the government is - quite literally - a head of cabbage, money talks very loudly. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 11:11:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DoS specifically wanted to normalize relations with the Libyans so they wanted to minimize the militaristic foot print. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The lack of real firepower to defend a compound seemed ridiculous given the availability of arms to the locals. Then again, how many people there knew how to shoot even a rifle. At least they had night vision. DoS specifically wanted to normalize relations with the Libyans so they wanted to minimize the militaristic foot print. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 11:16:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Bob" doesn't need to clear his name. Nobody knows his name. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I suppose if "Bob" would like to clear his name and set the record straight, he'd better come forward and bring everything into the cold light of day then. "Bob" doesn't need to clear his name. Nobody knows his name. The people who approve promotions in his dept know his name |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 11:27:33 AM EST
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What REALLY frustrates me about this whole deal.....is why the guy who gave the Stand down order has not been named.....brought up to the hill to answer questions.....such as....WHO THE FUCK TOLD YOU TO STAND DOWN? I don't see anyone following this up the chain. If they did....I sure as hell haven't seen anything. Heads should have rolled.......instead we get crickets. It quite literally could have been a relatively low to mid-level State Department staffer (onsite) who had oversight over the (diplomatic) mission. He says no, the answer is no unless, as these guys eventually did, you decide to ignore the boss' order and go any way...knowing full well that there will be hell to pay (up to and including being turned over to the Libyans for criminal prosecution/trial) if you're wrong about what is happening or right, but do something wrong (i.e. collateral damage, injure/kill a civilian [which anyone killed will be regardless of what they were doing], etc.) in the process. As you might imagine, the State Department is not staffed with ex-mil guys (even the State Department "security" personnel rarely have any military experience) but rather typically quite liberal social do-gooders who can't begin to appreciate the danger inherent in their operating environment ("We're here to help 'them', they won't harm us."). The Catch 22: they react quickly enough to prevent an incident and they're cowboys. Wait until the situation is known and/or the initiative is lost and they're at fault for taking too long. You clearly know jack shit about who staff the State Department as Foreign Sevice Officers or Diplomatic Security. Go on... About a third of my entering class were vets - all branches represented - two were former Marine Sercutiy Guards. One vet is now the GSO in Central African Republic; another in Mali - I have a vet colleague in my Embassy who goes up to the northeastern portion of our country regularly; three of the people in my office are former Army officers; half our RSOs are fomer military. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 11:28:32 AM EST
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Most DSS agents I know are former military or former law enforcement; for a while though one of the GS15/FS1 equivalent agents I was dealing with was a 90lbs female with neither military nor LE experience prior to becoming an agent. I know this bugs you - it's just no obvious why. Being a DS Agent is not being an Infantryman - |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 11:32:27 AM EST
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What percentage of senior FSOs are veterans?
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Posted: 1/16/2016 11:36:35 AM EST
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Was on FX tonight and our daughter saw it for the first time. She cried at the end when Sgt. Ruiz's letter was read. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can't even watch "Black Hawk Down". I would never make it thru this movie. Was on FX tonight and our daughter saw it for the first time. She cried at the end when Sgt. Ruiz's letter was read. When Shugart brings Durant Gordons CAR-15 and says "Gordys gone man, Ill be outside, good luck" it always gets real dusty inside..... |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 11:37:57 AM EST
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About a third of my entering class were vets - all branches represented - two were former Marine Sercutiy Guards. One vet is now the GSO in Central African Republic; another in Mali - I have a vet colleague in my Embassy who goes up to the northeastern portion of our country regularly; three of the people in my office are former Army officers; half our RSOs are fomer military. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What REALLY frustrates me about this whole deal.....is why the guy who gave the Stand down order has not been named.....brought up to the hill to answer questions.....such as....WHO THE FUCK TOLD YOU TO STAND DOWN? I don't see anyone following this up the chain. If they did....I sure as hell haven't seen anything. Heads should have rolled.......instead we get crickets. It quite literally could have been a relatively low to mid-level State Department staffer (onsite) who had oversight over the (diplomatic) mission. He says no, the answer is no unless, as these guys eventually did, you decide to ignore the boss' order and go any way...knowing full well that there will be hell to pay (up to and including being turned over to the Libyans for criminal prosecution/trial) if you're wrong about what is happening or right, but do something wrong (i.e. collateral damage, injure/kill a civilian [which anyone killed will be regardless of what they were doing], etc.) in the process. As you might imagine, the State Department is not staffed with ex-mil guys (even the State Department "security" personnel rarely have any military experience) but rather typically quite liberal social do-gooders who can't begin to appreciate the danger inherent in their operating environment ("We're here to help 'them', they won't harm us."). The Catch 22: they react quickly enough to prevent an incident and they're cowboys. Wait until the situation is known and/or the initiative is lost and they're at fault for taking too long. You clearly know jack shit about who staff the State Department as Foreign Sevice Officers or Diplomatic Security. Go on... About a third of my entering class were vets - all branches represented - two were former Marine Sercutiy Guards. One vet is now the GSO in Central African Republic; another in Mali - I have a vet colleague in my Embassy who goes up to the northeastern portion of our country regularly; three of the people in my office are former Army officers; half our RSOs are fomer military. In the book they say the DS agents have something like 12 years mil exp while the contractors had roughly 100 years mil exp. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:26:01 PM EST
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Does the movie address the missles allegedly being smuggled by the State dept? The contractors buy some arms to take them off the streets. They do not appear to use them for their own defense, so I assume that they are abandoned by the end. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:27:46 PM EST
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Saw it last night. Very good movie. It was tough to watch at some points. The blood is on the gov. hands. They watched them men get slaughtered and did nothing about it. Similar to what we say about law enforcement, when you need help, 911 response is only 20 minutes away. In their case, it was in Croatia, or somewhere in that vicinity. I am not buying that an F16 low pass was going to do anything. 100 Marines dropping in, or a mini gun, that would have made a difference for the CIA. Stevens was dead shortly after the militia busted into the house. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:33:19 PM EST
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I know this bugs you - it's just no obvious why. Being a DS Agent is not being an Infantryman - Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most DSS agents I know are former military or former law enforcement; for a while though one of the GS15/FS1 equivalent agents I was dealing with was a 90lbs female with neither military nor LE experience prior to becoming an agent. I know this bugs you - it's just no obvious why. Being a DS Agent is not being an Infantryman - I am not really sure why you have the chip on your shoulder you do, but it does not bug me DSS are not infantry their purpose is not to close with and destroy the enemy. I however don't think a 90 pound Asian female who breaks down and cries during arguments with her interagency partners has a place in federal law enforce much less in leadership. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:34:20 PM EST
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HRC's name is not mentioned, tons of action and heroics - very accurate depiction of small unit tactics - great detail to weapon realism/handling. Probably didn't want to get sued. Not the topic of the movie. Basically, everyone was clueless and impotent except for the contractors and one local. Everyone, meaning CIA, State, Special Forces, everyone. Those 7 heroes saved everyone that was saved. If you want to know who came off badly, at one point, a CIA employee asks how they can help, the contractor says come join me with a gun, CIA response, that's your job. The triumph of individual heroics over planning, intel and preparations. This is one of the Rotten Tomato reviews. This part is accurate. Bay's action sequences are as riveting and technically beautiful as ever, but his reductive worldview is also on display. "13 Hours" doesn't just lionize its American soldiers, it oozes disdain for everyone else. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:37:53 PM EST
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Obama failed to use his phone that day. He failed to authorize the jets to do a fly over or Africom to send SF both could have been in the area in hours. What really needed to happen was an immediate evacuation to a hardened base once Stevens was attacked. They had prior warning of attack, they knew what day it was, they knew the environment, was the proper response, let's wait and see if it gets really bad? Let our $28 militia guard empty offices. It was a rental. Stevens was dead regardless. Special Forces arriving hours later (they made it a point to show the bureaucracy at the airport) was never going to change that. If there was no hardened base to fall back to, that was the failure of many, many people. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:39:16 PM EST
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I will see it and be mad as hell most likely. This is my concern. Wife wants to see it but I go watch movies to be entertained, not to get fucking pissed off at our worthless fucking government. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:48:40 PM EST
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Was the IT guy's job truly to fix the wifi in the house? Stevens seemed fixated on 1st world problems.
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:50:22 PM EST
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This is my concern. Wife wants to see it but I go watch movies to be entertained, not to get fucking pissed off at our worthless fucking government. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I will see it and be mad as hell most likely. This is my concern. Wife wants to see it but I go watch movies to be entertained, not to get fucking pissed off at our worthless fucking government. Consider it your duty to support the success of the film. |
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