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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:30:50 PM EDT
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w...t....f.....
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:31:38 PM EDT
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Proposed, but if nobody makes a huge stink, they'll do it this time. No one in the executive branch is going to stop it certainly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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is this official or just a proposal atm? This? There is a big difference.. Proposed, but if nobody makes a huge stink, they'll do it this time. No one in the executive branch is going to stop it certainly. I'll call my guys. I'm really tired of calling my guys, every fucking 2 weeks. 
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:32:10 PM EDT
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NRA, hello? This is something we need you to address, post haste. They probably have a NASCAR race to organize. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:32:17 PM EDT
[#4]
Link for best deal for M855?
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:32:41 PM EDT
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I just don't give them my consent for this. I will treat this as most every other malum prohibitum laws.
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:32:43 PM EDT
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is this official or just a proposal atm? It's a proposal that the ATF can unilaterally enact on its own. And they apparently intend to do so. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:32:48 PM EDT
[#7]
pick up that can citizen
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:33:15 PM EDT
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So - this only applies to handgun ammo? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ATF FRAMEWORK FOR DETERMINING WHETHER
CERTAIN PROJECTILES ARE “PRIMARILY INTENDED FOR SPORTING PURPOSES” WITHIN THE MEANING OF 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(C) To protect the lives and safety of law enforcement officers from the threat posed by ammunition capable of penetrating a protective vest when fired from a handgun, the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), as amended, prohibits the import, manufacture, and distribution of “armor piercing ammunition” as defined by the statute So - this only applies to handgun ammo? Read the document, or at least the summary....if a round is technically armor piercing, and can be fired in any handgun other than a single shot, it falls under their new interpretation. This includes certain 5.56 because of AR15 pistols.....at least that is their intent. This is a big slippery slope is the deal. It's not panic, but it should be resisted. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:33:48 PM EDT
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So - this only applies to handgun ammo? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ATF FRAMEWORK FOR DETERMINING WHETHER
CERTAIN PROJECTILES ARE “PRIMARILY INTENDED FOR SPORTING PURPOSES” WITHIN THE MEANING OF 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(C) To protect the lives and safety of law enforcement officers from the threat posed by ammunition capable of penetrating a protective vest when fired from a handgun, the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), as amended, prohibits the import, manufacture, and distribution of “armor piercing ammunition” as defined by the statute So - this only applies to handgun ammo? There is no requirement for the law to make sense (seriously). |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:33:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Link for best deal for M855? |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:34:17 PM EDT
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I guess they don't know XM193 is better?  SHHHHH! 
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:34:44 PM EDT
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Read the document, or at least the summary....if a round is technically armor piercing, and can be fired in any handgun other than a single shot, it falls under their new interpretation. This includes certain 5.56 because of AR15 pistols.....at least that is their intent. This is a big slippery slope is the deal. It's not panic, but it should be resisted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ATF FRAMEWORK FOR DETERMINING WHETHER
CERTAIN PROJECTILES ARE “PRIMARILY INTENDED FOR SPORTING PURPOSES” WITHIN THE MEANING OF 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(C) To protect the lives and safety of law enforcement officers from the threat posed by ammunition capable of penetrating a protective vest when fired from a handgun, the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), as amended, prohibits the import, manufacture, and distribution of “armor piercing ammunition” as defined by the statute So - this only applies to handgun ammo? Read the document, or at least the summary....if a round is technically armor piercing, and can be fired in any handgun other than a single shot, it falls under their new interpretation. This includes certain 5.56 because of AR15 pistols.....at least that is their intent. This is a big slippery slope is the deal. It's not panic, but it should be resisted. Gettin' real tired of this shit. I'll read it |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:34:50 PM EDT
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"sporting purposes" What a crock of shit. Fuck those assholes. Im sure THEY will have plenty. Incrementalism at its finest. Assholes. That gives me an idea. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:34:57 PM EDT
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The mere existence of a handgun that fires 5.56 does not make 5.56 a handgun round.
If I made a handgun that fired .50 bmg, would that make .50 bmg a motherfucking handgun round? |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:35:00 PM EDT
[#15]
It's gay ar pistols fault
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:35:38 PM EDT
[#16]
in.
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:35:44 PM EDT
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That gives me an idea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"sporting purposes" What a crock of shit. Fuck those assholes. Im sure THEY will have plenty. Incrementalism at its finest. Assholes. That gives me an idea. 
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:35:51 PM EDT
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Is there some triple digit IQ limit at the ATF or something?
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:37:06 PM EDT
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On the one hand I don't really care. Can't shoot it at any range 'cause steel core. On the other, now I have two basic loads of potential liability.
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:37:13 PM EDT
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"sporting purposes" What a crock of shit. Fuck those assholes. Im sure THEY will have plenty. Incrementalism at its finest. Assholes. That gives me an idea. Nice. For all you atf guys reading this, kindly get your faces fucked, fags. Thank you, in advance. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:37:16 PM EDT
[#21]
Cunts.
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:37:38 PM EDT
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Is there some triple digit IQ limit at the ATF or something? Do you mean, all of them combined?
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:38:13 PM EDT
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Is there some triple digit IQ limit at the ATF or something? What do you think? 
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:38:27 PM EDT
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First they came for the 7N6...
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:39:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That gives me an idea. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "sporting purposes" What a crock of shit. Fuck those assholes. Im sure THEY will have plenty. Incrementalism at its finest. Assholes. That gives me an idea.  |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:39:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I litterally just threw my fucking phone across the room. this is full of fuck. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:39:54 PM EDT
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Wow - what will this mean for existing holders of the ammo? At the state level, will this also cause issues if the state uses the BATF guidelines?
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:39:58 PM EDT
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Link for best deal for M855? Sigh. Hard to get excited about $169 when it was $30 cheaper not long ago, but at least they have free shipping this weekend. Ordered more. Now it's time to write letters. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:39:59 PM EDT
[#29]
Who should I contact?
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:40:05 PM EDT
[#30]
IN For the neckbearding anyway....
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:40:06 PM EDT
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That gives me an idea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"sporting purposes" What a crock of shit. Fuck those assholes. Im sure THEY will have plenty. Incrementalism at its finest. Assholes. That gives me an idea. This seems that it may help the case in a round about way. Possibly give them enough rope... |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:40:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. Do it people...please. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Start calling your Congress critters and demanding some action on this shit or every rifle caliber round will be next. Exactly. Do it people...please. Flood their offices with calls! |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:40:58 PM EDT
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"Some ammunition that was previously exempted as “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes,” specifically 5.56mm constituent projectiles of SS109 and M855 cartridges, will again be regulated as “armor piercing ammunition.” Except as provided by law, no person may manufacture or import such ammunition, and manufacturers or importers may not sell or deliver such ammunition. ATF will maintain the exemption for 30-06 M2AP cartridges Proposed change to ATF regulatory framework for "armor piercing" ammunition Link http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/Library/Notices/atf_framework_for_determining_whether_certain_projectiles_are_primarily_intended_for_sporting_purposes.pdf In summary it's similar to the Sig Brace ruling...because a bad guy might use it in an AR15 pistol, it should be viewed as a non-sporting product- Intent of the user defines the potential illegality. Read the entire document and it is pretty clear that they intend to push more of this type of initiative. I could have swore that 5.56 and .30-06 were specifically exempted BY LAW, not ATF decree? 
So how do they plan on reclassifying it other than by "F#$% you, we say so" ? |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:41:17 PM EDT
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Wow - what will this mean for existing holders of the ammo? At the state level, will this also cause issues if the state uses the BATF guidelines? Federal law does not forbid possession. Just manufacture or transfer. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:41:50 PM EDT
[#35]
Stop Infringing!
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:42:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The mere existence of a handgun that fires 5.56 does not make 5.56 a handgun round. If I made a handgun that fired .50 bmg, would that make .50 bmg a motherfucking handgun round? As far as the atf is concerned, yes. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:42:26 PM EDT
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is this official or just a proposal atm? From the release: ATF will accept comments for 30 days from the date this notification, which will be considered prior to finalizing the framework. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:42:32 PM EDT
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So 7.62X39 ammo is in this list?
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:42:44 PM EDT
[#39]
I had no intention of buying more ammo but now... ugh.
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:42:55 PM EDT
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"sporting purposes" What a crock of shit. Fuck those assholes. Im sure THEY will have plenty. Incrementalism at its finest. Assholes. That gives me an idea.
Donations when? |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:43:14 PM EDT
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I ve been saying for years they are not coming after the guns, they are coming after the ammo.
FBHO The amount of time it's going to take for really pissed off people to run out of ammo and components is far, far longer than they amount of time that will pass before their various ponzi schemes fall apart and the wheels fall off of the welfare state. Let's put it this way; they're not any more competent at disarmament than they are at making healthcare insurance exchange websites. This doesn't mean we shouldn't get pissed off... but it's not exactly something to worry about either. It's not like their intentions haven't been plain for ages. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:43:41 PM EDT
[#42]
Does the U.S. Military follow munitions guidelines issued by ISIS?
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:43:44 PM EDT
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Federal law does not forbid possession. Just manufacture or transfer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow - what will this mean for existing holders of the ammo? At the state level, will this also cause issues if the state uses the BATF guidelines? Federal law does not forbid possession. Just manufacture or transfer. I thought it was manufacture and import. Are you saying if this BS goes into effect I can't give a case to someone? |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:44:04 PM EDT
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So 7.62X39 ammo is in this list? They got the steel core x39 years ago. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:44:10 PM EDT
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So 7.62X39 ammo is in this list? That was reclassified 20+ years ago. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:44:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That gives me an idea. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "sporting purposes" What a crock of shit. Fuck those assholes. Im sure THEY will have plenty. Incrementalism at its finest. Assholes. That gives me an idea.  Tomorrow, I'm going to reliable all of my ammo cans that have 855 to simply "Nolo". |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:46:11 PM EDT
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I thought it was manufacture and import. Are you saying if this BS goes into effect I can't give a case to someone? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow - what will this mean for existing holders of the ammo? At the state level, will this also cause issues if the state uses the BATF guidelines? Federal law does not forbid possession. Just manufacture or transfer. I thought it was manufacture and import. Are you saying if this BS goes into effect I can't give a case to someone? I think that is transfer from a licensee to a non-licensee. Not looking at the statute right at this moment. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:46:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They got the steel core x39 years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So 7.62X39 ammo is in this list? They got the steel core x39 years ago. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:46:24 PM EDT
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Link for best deal for M855? Thx just ordered a can. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:46:55 PM EDT
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Are you fucking kidding me?
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