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1/14/2025 7:03:04 PM EDT
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Keltec's designers have always been a tad ...speshul. Occasionally they get one right though. It's not my thing, but for the right price, it might be good for plinking.
1/14/2025 7:03:47 PM EDT
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Their fans have been begging for sub2000 in 45 and 10mm for over a decade.
And they ignore that demand.
1/14/2025 7:07:27 PM EDT
[#3]
It kinda looks like when you pull the trigger a plastic disk should fly out the front.
1/14/2025 7:07:41 PM EDT
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Yep, gonna circumvent any state where the mag bans are limited to detachable mags.

Unfortunately it’s still no-go in NY :(
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Possibly exploits a magazine ban in some places??

Yep, gonna circumvent any state where the mag bans are limited to detachable mags.

Unfortunately it’s still no-go in NY :(

Yeah I don’t see how an internal magazine gets around the provisions in 265.00 regarding “large capacity ammunition feeding devices.”
1/14/2025 7:13:17 PM EDT
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Lol
1/14/2025 7:17:27 PM EDT
[#6]
I'll wait for the Ruger version.
1/14/2025 7:17:38 PM EDT
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I count 10 rounds in the individual clips.

I'm also very curious about the mechanical design of this.

Otherwise, I am thoroughly baffled.
1/14/2025 7:18:39 PM EDT
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If that's the reasoning, then ok.
Otherwise, wtf.
I do kinda like the way it looks tho
1/14/2025 7:36:10 PM EDT
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Possess a large capacity magazine: public nuisance.

Possess a semi-auto pistol with a fixed magazine over ten rounds: felony assault weapon.

Brilliant!
1/14/2025 7:42:24 PM EDT
[#10]
Saw this in the most beautiful pistol thread.  Not beautiful.  I want one though.
1/14/2025 7:45:44 PM EDT
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engineers SHOULD be on meth.
1/14/2025 7:49:23 PM EDT
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I like it, I like most a their stuff tho... it's just like I dunno... buying a kitcar or something.. hauls ass but made outta papermache
1/14/2025 7:50:50 PM EDT
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If it gets around some bans, I think it's cool.
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Yep.
1/14/2025 7:57:17 PM EDT
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Grendel P-10 came out in 1988.

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I remeber those
1/14/2025 8:01:57 PM EDT
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The little "Fuck Gun Control" devil that lives on my right shoulder is pleased with the very idea of this gun.

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Same here. I personally like Keltec. I own two of their creations, a P3AT and a gen 3 Sub 2000. Both are ugly, but they run....plus made by feral, innovative Flordy savages.

Funny how people like to dump on them here, in the  major American gun forum, but finding their products in retail is often a chore. Someone out there keeps buying what they produce.
1/14/2025 8:12:03 PM EDT
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A no-go in California as well because of the gay approved handgun roster.
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Yep, gonna circumvent any state where the mag bans are limited to detachable mags.

Unfortunately it’s still no-go in NY :(

A no-go in California as well because of the gay approved handgun roster.


What feature get it in the ban roster? 20 rounds?

Seems if there was an ammo capacity issue, a pinned model (like mags in Trudeauland) could make it pass.  I remember video of these "tactical" gun enthusiasts in Canada. Fully Larped out, shooting SKS rifles. Their snap in 30 round mags were pinned to only load 5 rounds. I think Fidel Jr has now banned even those.
1/14/2025 8:14:12 PM EDT
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We went to the moon by feeding engineers coffee, cigarettes, and OTC amphetamines.
1/14/2025 8:16:21 PM EDT
[#18]
Kind of want
1/14/2025 8:31:20 PM EDT
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I want something like the CMR in 5.7 as a pistol w/ a folding brace.  I'd settle for one in 22 Mag.   I wanted a PMR but they say not to suppress it so that's a no go.
1/14/2025 8:34:00 PM EDT
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I want something like the CMR in 5.7 as a pistol w/ a folding brace.  I'd settle for one in 22 Mag.   I wanted a PMR but they say not to suppress it so that's a no go.
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I suppress mine all the time.  It will even run 30 grain suppressed.
1/14/2025 8:35:11 PM EDT
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I like this but I am also a fan of 5.7 pistols and the little rifle round.
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1/14/2025 8:40:01 PM EDT
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What feature get it in the ban roster? 20 rounds?

Seems if there was an ammo capacity issue, a pinned model (like mags in Trudeauland) could make it pass.  I remember video of these "tactical" gun enthusiasts in Canada. Fully Larped out, shooting SKS rifles. Their snap in 30 round mags were pinned to only load 5 rounds. I think Fidel Jr has now banned even those.
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Yep, gonna circumvent any state where the mag bans are limited to detachable mags.

Unfortunately it’s still no-go in NY :(

A no-go in California as well because of the gay approved handgun roster.


What feature get it in the ban roster? 20 rounds?

Seems if there was an ammo capacity issue, a pinned model (like mags in Trudeauland) could make it pass.  I remember video of these "tactical" gun enthusiasts in Canada. Fully Larped out, shooting SKS rifles. Their snap in 30 round mags were pinned to only load 5 rounds. I think Fidel Jr has now banned even those.

I think the roster will only allow a new pistol if a different one is taken off IIRC.
1/14/2025 8:40:27 PM EDT
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That's fucking retarded.

I'll definitely buy one.
1/14/2025 8:42:48 PM EDT
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It would be a shame if someone bought one, didn't like it, and accidentally left it in their car when they visited you in CA, wouldn't it? A quick trip to your FFL and 400 days later you get to take posession.
1/14/2025 8:46:44 PM EDT
[#25]
What's old is new again
1/14/2025 9:04:04 PM EDT
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That looks more like DMT and cocaine.

I wonder why they'd be trying to get into ban states when they won't make enough of these for regular ones anyway.
1/14/2025 9:10:12 PM EDT
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This 100%
1/14/2025 9:13:07 PM EDT
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Grendel P-10 came out in 1988.

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Had one, plastic trigger snapped off maybe 40rds in. Got free replacement trigger, and sold it. Neat gun though if durable, No mag means thinner and lighter. Good things for a pocket pistol.
1/14/2025 9:24:14 PM EDT
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How hard is it to reload 5.7x28?

Shoot, now I not only have to buy a pistol, I’ll have to buy dies, components, etc…

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Easy. Just can’t wet or dry tumble for long as it’ll tear up the lacquer on the case. I use hot water and simple green and agitate by hand before finding thoroughly and letting air dry.

ETA: tear up, not heat up
1/14/2025 9:28:03 PM EDT
[#30]
5.7 took awhile to get off the ground but once it did it started ripping.
1/14/2025 9:28:36 PM EDT
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For sure. Getting around the roster is no big deal for *me*, however if I'm going through the trouble I don't know if I'd get the keltec.
1/14/2025 9:39:50 PM EDT
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Depending on the price, I might be interested.  Could make an interesting woods option with a bit more bite than a .22, without weighing more than an LCP.
1/14/2025 9:40:10 PM EDT
[#33]
These are on some store web pages, no pictures, none in stock, price $399
1/14/2025 9:41:11 PM EDT
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I do kinda want one….
1/14/2025 9:44:04 PM EDT
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I saw the post title and in my mind I imagined a bunch of exposed socket head cap screws. Was not disappointed.  
1/14/2025 9:46:58 PM EDT
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And a CMR30 pistol.
1/14/2025 10:01:19 PM EDT
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Let the painters paint!

1/14/2025 10:04:13 PM EDT
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1/14/2025 10:06:41 PM EDT
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Looks like it ticks a lot of boxes for the California-compliant crowd..

Show me a better way to get a 20 round handgun into that shithole state, OP…..
1/14/2025 10:08:27 PM EDT
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If they make a threaded one it would go well with a fat cat
1/14/2025 10:10:31 PM EDT
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Holy shit! A Kel-Tec that doesn't have multiple visible machine screws.
1/14/2025 10:39:26 PM EDT
[#42]
Im not sure. Couldnt a state just say "ban all keltec" regardless of the legal pretzelry keltec is playing with?
1/14/2025 10:44:38 PM EDT
[#43]
Im assuming the top feed stripper clip circumvents magazine laws
1/14/2025 10:52:37 PM EDT
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and a lot of cough syrup


I think it's cool
1/14/2025 11:00:18 PM EDT
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That looks stupid. I want one so bad.
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Me too.  Lol.
1/14/2025 11:03:46 PM EDT
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And a CMR30 pistol.
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And a CMR30 pistol.


It's called a PMR30.

Now that the SUB2000 has been stretched for 5.7, .45 ACP can't be that far behind.  They have to get caught up after the hurricane though.
1/14/2025 11:26:01 PM EDT
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Interesting.
1/14/2025 11:30:20 PM EDT
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I know a couple guys trying to load for it, it's apparently a PITA.
1/14/2025 11:34:20 PM EDT
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interesting.
1/14/2025 11:34:40 PM EDT
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Pretty sure that would essentially be tantamount to a bill of attainder.

Also this gun is stupid and awesome. I might buy one. It's the low level pistol you'd find on the guards on the intro level of a mid 2000s cyberpunk deus ex knockoff.

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