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Posted: 9/3/2018 2:57:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IDNR denied them for a long time despite a few getting hit by cars and numerous game cam sightings. Now they do admit their existence here but claim they’re just passing through. About ten years ago I heard a female in heat crying out for a mate while outside one evening. That to me says we probably have a breeding population. Sounded just like this.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM2Sw8dsMDQ
Southern Illinois is a perfect habitat for them. Lots of big woods and white tail are like cockroaches here. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 2:58:01 PM EDT
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Looked it up so I might as well post it. Confirmed sightings, tracks, dna, etc from the Cougar Network. Obviously not definitive but still interesting. They have a more recent interactive map on their site. cougarnet.org/confirmations https://i.imgur.com/SEUHVBJh.jpg |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 2:59:25 PM EDT
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Well, we need an Arfcom hunt!
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Posted: 9/3/2018 3:04:05 PM EDT
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Well, we need an Arfcom hunt! |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 3:06:52 PM EDT
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Cover story. Keep your eyes open for dudes wearing this patch. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/312702/download-659852.JPG |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 3:13:34 PM EDT
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I just googled it. If you can find footage where a mountain lion takes a elk from going under it and going for it's throat I would like to see it. They will drag them by the throat or make a killing bite on it after it's down but they won't start the attack on the throat. Cats won't go under a big animal like that and face injury , they don't have to. They are killing machines from the top . Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Google mountain lion goes for throat. Multiple reports of lions killing horses via their throat and ripping it's throat out. Also videos of lions ripping elk and deer throat out. If you can find footage where a mountain lion takes a elk from going under it and going for it's throat I would like to see it. They will drag them by the throat or make a killing bite on it after it's down but they won't start the attack on the throat. Cats won't go under a big animal like that and face injury , they don't have to. They are killing machines from the top . |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 3:47:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t know KY’s position on them but enough people have seen them to know they’re around. There are at least a few in LBL / Grand Rivers area. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 3:55:31 PM EDT
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I just googled it. If you can find footage where a mountain lion takes a elk from going under it and going for it's throat I would like to see it. They will drag them by the throat or make a killing bite on it after it's down but they won't start the attack on the throat. Cats won't go under a big animal like that and face injury , they don't have to. They are killing machines from the top . Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Google mountain lion goes for throat. Multiple reports of lions killing horses via their throat and ripping it's throat out. Also videos of lions ripping elk and deer throat out. If you can find footage where a mountain lion takes a elk from going under it and going for it's throat I would like to see it. They will drag them by the throat or make a killing bite on it after it's down but they won't start the attack on the throat. Cats won't go under a big animal like that and face injury , they don't have to. They are killing machines from the top . Second; Not trying to be mean, but whenever somebody makes a categorical statement like yours it just demonstrates they are lacking information on the subject... Third, lion will take the shot that is presented. Some generalizations can be made, but by no means can one say this or that won't happen. Fourth, lion will eat from various parts of the body, usually starting with the soft parts. The throat is...soft and after the attack it can be almost impossible to determine exactly what was attacked first.  And for your viewing enjoyment... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3307241/Cool-cat-Amazing-footage-shows-ruthless-mountain-lion-calmly-holding-buck-throat-TEN-MINUTES-eventually-gives-lays-die.html |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 4:00:40 PM EDT
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Bigfoot or werewolf. No doubt. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 4:03:23 PM EDT
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My buddy got mauled by a cougar. His first mistake was, he let her buy him a shot and a beer. It degenerated from there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cougar His first mistake was, he let her buy him a shot and a beer. It degenerated from there. 
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Posted: 9/3/2018 4:09:25 PM EDT
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Mr. Leeds doesn't leave the Pine Barrens of NJ. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bigfoot or werewolf. No doubt. Could prompt a relocation? |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 4:26:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First, there's google, then there's reality and experience. Second; Not trying to be mean, but whenever somebody makes a categorical statement like yours it just demonstrates they are lacking information on the subject... Third, lion will take the shot that is presented. Some generalizations can be made, but by no means can one say this or that won't happen. Fourth, lion will eat from various parts of the body, usually starting with the soft parts. The throat is...soft and after the attack it can be almost impossible to determine exactly what was attacked first. https://s5.postimg.cc/r80y63tkn/maxresdefault.jpg But none of that happened here. This was a killing spree not a fight for food. What ever did this killing wasn't feeding . And actually in that footage the filming starts when he notices the fight. Why that cat landed on the ground we don't know. And for your viewing enjoyment... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3307241/Cool-cat-Amazing-footage-shows-ruthless-mountain-lion-calmly-holding-buck-throat-TEN-MINUTES-eventually-gives-lays-die.html |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 4:41:06 PM EDT
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I escaped in '81, but I understand he is losing habitat. Could prompt a relocation? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bigfoot or werewolf. No doubt. Could prompt a relocation? 
I have had an acquaintance with a Leeds for a few years ( beekeeping ), quite a humble and intelligent individual. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 4:42:53 PM EDT
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No state wants to admit that they have a permanent mountain lion population. If they do then a whole lot of expensive federal regulations come into play. So they are always passing through. Way back in 2004. while driving up I 76 in southern Kentucky we saw a road kill mountain lion on the side of the interstate. It had a tracking collar on it too.
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Posted: 9/3/2018 4:51:19 PM EDT
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If they are having trouble identifying the killer critter then they need to get this guy to examine the bite radius.
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Posted: 9/3/2018 4:54:56 PM EDT
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Dogman
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Posted: 9/3/2018 4:55:42 PM EDT
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No state wants to admit that they have a permanent mountain lion population. If they do then a whole lot of expensive federal regulations come into play. So they are always passing through. Way back in 2004. while driving up I 76 in southern Kentucky we saw a road kill mountain lion on the side of the interstate. It had a tracking collar on it too. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 5:01:33 PM EDT
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Dogman  There's something out there waiting for us, and it ain't no man |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 6:11:35 PM EDT
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No state wants to admit that they have a permanent mountain lion population. If they do then a whole lot of expensive federal regulations come into play. So they are always passing through. Way back in 2004. while driving up I 76 in southern Kentucky we saw a road kill mountain lion on the side of the interstate. It had a tracking collar on it too. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 6:23:13 PM EDT
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I don't understand why. It is not uncommon to see video of mountain lions on Colorado newscasts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No state wants to admit that they have a permanent mountain lion population. If they do then a whole lot of expensive federal regulations come into play. So they are always passing through. Way back in 2004. while driving up I 76 in southern Kentucky we saw a road kill mountain lion on the side of the interstate. It had a tracking collar on it too. Because in areas where a species used to exist but doesn't any longer, provisions within the Endangered Species Act are triggered if said species naturally re-enters void range. Those provisions can be sweeping; cessation of logging and other natural resource management, banning the construction of roads, stoppage of hunting other species considered necessary for Endangered Species survival, etc. The ESA truly needs to be scrapped and a new more reasonable act introduced. The West has seen horrific impact by application of ESA provisions. Remember, the enviros no longer care about clean air and water. They care about the destruction of rural economies, gun control and policy like Y2Y. From years I assisted in policy advisory work for local government. "Environmentalism" has become heavy industry. BIG bucks to the law firms and the so-called environmental outfits like "Defenders of Wildlife" and Center for biological diversity. These rackets need to be investigated for a variety of nefarious endeavors involving pay to play lobbying, etc. I was a political science, history and environmental science student in the early '80's. I was all about the environment and...I still am. I own a ranch I turned at great effort from a mismanaged noxious weed farm to a garden of Eden and have put my energy, time, life and money where my mouth is. We need to rid the country of the Heavy Industry of fraudulent "Environmentalist" groups masquerading as saviors of the world. They are the destroyers of legitimate industry and rural economies. Sorry for the rant, OP.......... |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 6:24:41 PM EDT
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Ohio maintains that there are no mountain lions. Yet, about 5 miles from me, State highway patrol chased one down the highway. They later clarified their statement that it was a bobcat... Yeah, I'm sorry. You don't get a mountain lion and bobcat confused. When I worked in an lgs, everyone had a story about running into a mountain lion. One guy even had a video of one. When we plugged it in to our video system, it was very clearly a house cat. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 6:28:21 PM EDT
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Mountain lion isn't gonna take on a horse..............is it? |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 6:31:31 PM EDT
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What is a field mouse? Game species. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just came here to post this... my wife asked if we had a gun big enough to kill it... nope not yet  Game species. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 6:37:50 PM EDT
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I saw a dead one on the side of hyw 52 outside King, NC...
I wanted to pull over and get a picture, but I had the sudden realization “what if it’s not fully dead, just stunned?” 
I had an 870 in trunk, but the sight of a guy walking down the hyw with a shotgun seemed equally bad. 
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Posted: 9/3/2018 6:39:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: First, there's google, then there's reality and experience. Second; Not trying to be mean, but whenever somebody makes a categorical statement like yours it just demonstrates they are lacking information on the subject... Third, lion will take the shot that is presented. Some generalizations can be made, but by no means can one say this or that won't happen. Fourth, lion will eat from various parts of the body, usually starting with the soft parts. The throat is...soft and after the attack it can be almost impossible to determine exactly what was attacked first. https://s5.postimg.cc/r80y63tkn/maxresdefault.jpg But none of that happened here. This was a killing spree not a fight for food. What ever did this killing wasn't feeding . And actually in that footage the filming starts when he notices the fight. Why that cat landed on the ground we don't know. And for your viewing enjoyment... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3307241/Cool-cat-Amazing-footage-shows-ruthless-mountain-lion-calmly-holding-buck-throat-TEN-MINUTES-eventually-gives-lays-die.html And... https://giphy.com/gifs/lion-mountain-attacks-Q1lOmKQiGAjuM And the Band Played On... 
And we can on and on. I'm not sure what your source was for saying lion don't attack by the throat, but it isn't a reliable source. 
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Posted: 9/3/2018 6:52:18 PM EDT
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Well about 10-12 years ago there was a non conus native feline that was shot trying to get into someone's house in the mid west.
There was also that motherfucker in Ohio that let loose the private cat prison he had. Lions, tigers, leopards galore, not sure if he was releasing them prior to offing himself but there have been reports of African lions roaming loose in the Midwest. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 7:09:52 PM EDT
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what round for kitteh?
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Posted: 9/3/2018 7:11:03 PM EDT
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Does KY fish and game acknowledge the existence of mountain lion/cougars/pumas/whatever you want to call them? Because VA Dept of Game and Fisheries does not, despite evidence of their existence. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 7:21:33 PM EDT
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Cougar His first mistake was, he let her buy him a shot and a beer. It degenerated from there. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 7:25:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/3/2018 7:35:49 PM EDT
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a few years ago a big cat fucked up two of my dogs, one of the a 120 pound siberian husky. luckily my neighbor and good friend a veterinarian was home and we got them to his office fast enough to save her.
at first we though some one shot them with 00 buck or something. It was a mess, then Xray showed nothing inside, after he got the bleeding stopped and we cleaned her up, we could see the huge claw marks and tears We though maybe it was a bobcat. then a month later I was letting a friend hunt turkey behind the house, and he was working the thing when he looked down the hill behind him and saw the cat and about shit himself. it was a mountain lion he said. and he wouldnt bullshit, he is a very experienced hunter and outdoorsman, probably the best I have ever known. He said it was so big he was afraid to risk shooting it with turkey loads. that and a bear tearing the hell out of one of our outbuildings we use to keep a deep freezer with meat in it. I do not go into the woods or around the house without at the least my 45, and if I am hunting squirrel or something that Im not carring a center fire rifle for, I am carrying a colt delta 10mm with hard cast bullets +P |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 7:38:54 PM EDT
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This pussy will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it. 
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Posted: 9/3/2018 7:47:00 PM EDT
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If a predatory ( healthy ) cat such as a Cougar/Mt. Lion, why would it go all out on 3 horses and 2 dogs in one night, makes no sense to me considering their instincts to prey, kill and eat one animal at a time. My guess its a rabid cat or bear. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 7:48:18 PM EDT
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Does KY fish and game acknowledge the existence of mountain lion/cougars/pumas/whatever you want to call them? Because VA Dept of Game and Fisheries does not, despite evidence of their existence. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 8:32:56 PM EDT
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This story has a squatchy feel to it. Did they find any half rotted llama skulls nearby? |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 8:41:45 PM EDT
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You Kentuckians haven’t killed this thing yet?
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Posted: 9/3/2018 8:45:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I guess now we know who wins. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 8:59:31 PM EDT
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If a predatory ( healthy ) cat such as a Cougar/Mt. Lion, why would it go all out on 3 horses and 2 dogs in one night, makes no sense to me considering their instincts to prey, kill and eat one animal at a time. My guess its a rabid cat or bear. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 9:01:23 PM EDT
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Mountain lion isn't gonna take on a horse..............is it? |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 9:12:01 PM EDT
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This is just 2 counties west of me. I've actually have a friend whose boss owns some property there who wants us to coyote hunt it this fall. I suddenly feel the need for a Glock 40 mos woods pistol now.
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Posted: 9/3/2018 9:25:40 PM EDT
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^^^This is what I was thinking as well Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whompus cat. They are all over this part of the country........
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Posted: 9/3/2018 9:34:52 PM EDT
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You keep alluding to something. Come out with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This story has a squatchy feel to it. Did they find any half rotted llama skulls nearby?  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 9:41:32 PM EDT
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According to Game Fish and Parks here, a Mountain Lion's favorite food is porcupine.
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Posted: 9/3/2018 9:57:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure about KY Fish and Game but TWRA has acknowledged sightings of them as far as Middle Tennessee. Wouldn’t be surprised if they ranged north a bit. There are plenty of credible reports of sightings as far east as GSMNP but so far no pictures that I know of. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 9:58:17 PM EDT
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No it is not as a normal part of its diet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mountain lion isn't gonna take on a horse..............is it? I have worked with someone that was involved in a mountain lion study. He said when they started he used to carry a handgun but as time went on he no longer considered them dangerous. I have great respect for that individual and his opinions. I have only ever seen a handful and I am sure over the years a great many have seen me as I hiked around the mountains, still that one experience has convinced me that they can be dangerous and I always carry a handgun. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 10:01:28 PM EDT
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If you have a good team of dogs then you can get shots within 10-20 feet. A .22 lr to the brain pan at that range would probably take care of the cat, although I'd probably go a little bigger myself. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xUJfYDKt3A Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Somewhere around here I've got an old book in which Elmer Keith talks about preferring to use .22lr for cougar, hunting with dogs anyway. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xUJfYDKt3A 
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Posted: 9/3/2018 10:03:41 PM EDT
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Whompus cat. They are all over this part of the country........ 
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Posted: 9/3/2018 10:05:58 PM EDT
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This sounds like wolf...
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Posted: 9/3/2018 10:09:24 PM EDT
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I hate to inform you, but lion don't take much to kill. But whatever.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just came here to post this... my wife asked if we had a gun big enough to kill it... nope not yet But whatever....
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Posted: 9/3/2018 10:11:47 PM EDT
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Bigfoot or werewolf. No doubt. 
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