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Posted: 6/3/2015 8:58:33 PM EST
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Sorry dude. An informed intelligent skeptical western atheist is farther away from worshiping those dudes like gods than any theist, including all christians are. I'd put dollars to donuts religious sheeple (including people you sit next to in church) who would be faster to worship at the thrown of some made up dictator half deity than would an "anti-theist neckbeard". I'm an agnostic. I have no answers. But I've observed humanity long enough to realize that 99% of us can't exit without some sort of religion. The vast majority of people that say god doesn't exist end up forming something into their substituted religion. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 9:07:07 PM EST
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Why doesn't one of those cowards jam a pencil into his brain through his ear hole? They are all going to be executed eventually anyway.
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Posted: 6/3/2015 9:11:26 PM EST
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I saw recently they were pushing for more tourism. They've built that new skiing place and have an awesome shooting range, there were a couple more things in the article. I'd be tempted to visit and see the place for myself. Remember it wasn't too long ago that they were the rich and prosperous Korea (heavily propped up by the SU) and the South was the backwards shit hole. I bet you could see some cool shit.
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Posted: 6/3/2015 9:15:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm an agnostic. I have no answers. But I've observed humanity long enough to realize that 99% of us can't exit without some sort of religion. The vast majority of people that say god doesn't exist end up forming something into their substituted religion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sorry dude. An informed intelligent skeptical western atheist is farther away from worshiping those dudes like gods than any theist, including all christians are. I'd put dollars to donuts religious sheeple (including people you sit next to in church) who would be faster to worship at the thrown of some made up dictator half deity than would an "anti-theist neckbeard". I'm an agnostic. I have no answers. But I've observed humanity long enough to realize that 99% of us can't exit without some sort of religion. The vast majority of people that say god doesn't exist end up forming something into their substituted religion. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 9:16:54 PM EST
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This is contrary to my experience. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry dude. An informed intelligent skeptical western atheist is farther away from worshiping those dudes like gods than any theist, including all christians are. I'd put dollars to donuts religious sheeple (including people you sit next to in church) who would be faster to worship at the thrown of some made up dictator half deity than would an "anti-theist neckbeard". I'm an agnostic. I have no answers. But I've observed humanity long enough to realize that 99% of us can't exit without some sort of religion. The vast majority of people that say god doesn't exist end up forming something into their substituted religion. That's because people almost never recognize their own brand of religion in themselves or others. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 9:17:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why doesn't one of those cowards jam a pencil into his brain through his ear hole? They are all going to be executed eventually anyway. That or they have no choice at this point. Once you are "in" you and your whole family are "in", and thus, better to try to ride it out than make waves and possibly condemn allot more people than yourself. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 9:18:21 PM EST
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Can someone shop Lootie into the original pic?
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Posted: 6/3/2015 9:18:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's because people almost never recognize their own brand of religion in themselves or others. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's because people almost never recognize their own brand of religion in themselves or others. My experience says this assertion is based on scant information with little if any evidence to back it up. Its like when someone says "More people have been killed in the name of god than anything else". You know they are full of shit and making shit up. Same goes for "everyone has a religion". Its meaningless pick-nick table philosophy that your uncle says at a barbeque. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 9:19:09 PM EST
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Can someone shop Lootie into the original pic? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Nothing for him to loot. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 9:22:55 PM EST
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Maybe his own people are trying to feed him to death  That would make a coup easy if he eats himself to death! |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 9:26:08 PM EST
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No, this is contrary to my experience with others. My experience says this assertion is based on scant information with little if any evidence to back it up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's because people almost never recognize their own brand of religion in themselves or others. My experience says this assertion is based on scant information with little if any evidence to back it up. I have only my knowledge of history and many many decades of empirical observation. Take the Soviet Union for instance. An officially atheist state. Except the state itself was the religion. Or my friend that is a Randian Objectivist, for him Objectivism became his religion. Others I know substitute a worship of science as a religion, which since science is merely a tool (but indeed a very good tool) makes about as much sense as worshiping a hammer. Give me a couple of hours face to face with you and I'll figure out your religion, in fact I have a few suspicions along those lines already. Unless you are that rare 1%er that really has no religious impulse. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 10:58:44 PM EST
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Posted: 6/3/2015 11:05:23 PM EST
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How in blue fucking hell did this turn from "Let's poke fun at the King of the Norks." to a theist/anti-theist cock fight?
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Posted: 6/3/2015 11:24:21 PM EST
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The guy behind him, who is assigned to catch him if he falls. http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03324/POTD-Kim_Jong-Un_l_3324632b.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who is fearing for his health exactly? The guy behind him, who is assigned to catch him if he falls. http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03324/POTD-Kim_Jong-Un_l_3324632b.jpg No, that's his lunch. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 11:35:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their average size and height is substantially smaller than a South Korean due to the malnutrition. The nature of the officer's hats is designed to make them appear taller. Look at the diminutive size of the guy on the left. He's literally the size of a ten year old girl. This army would not last a week in a conventional engagement before collapsing from exhaustion. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 11:42:59 PM EST
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Thank God they don't have religion there. Hey, no doper inky gays either! |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 11:43:00 PM EST
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Their average size and height is substantially smaller than a South Korean due to the malnutrition. The nature of the officer's hats is designed to make them appear taller. Look at the diminutive size of the guy on the left. He's literally the size of a ten year old girl. This army would not last a week in a conventional engagement before collapsing from exhaustion. 
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Posted: 6/3/2015 11:43:42 PM EST
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Why the fuck hasn't anyone over there executed that lunatic fuck? They worship him like a god. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 11:44:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Turtle farmer  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So does anyone actually follow his "advice" or they just take notes diligently until he leaves? His advice is law, and if you don't follow it you'll end up lined up against a wall, or in a ditch, etc. Recently he had some turtle farmers killed because they didn't follow his advice from a previous visit. Turtle farmer |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 11:44:41 PM EST
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I love those service dress caps the Nork generals wear.
They look like UFOs landed on their heads. ETA: I see this point has already been discussed. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 11:45:05 PM EST
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This is probably my favorite US propaganda photo. We knew exactly what we were doing, and weren't all that subtle about it.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their average size and height is substantially smaller than a South Korean due to the malnutrition. The nature of the officer's hats is designed to make them appear taller. Look at the diminutive size of the guy on the left. He's literally the size of a ten year old girl. This army would not last a week in a conventional engagement before collapsing from exhaustion. http://i.imgur.com/aHsayNH.png Of course, I'm sure we picked a linebacker sized guy on purpose... This is probably my favorite US propaganda photo. We knew exactly what we were doing, and weren't all that subtle about it. The ROK guard isn't exactly small, either. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 11:45:15 PM EST
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The Norks are a fascinating group...far from being irrational, they structure nearly everything in the country where regime stability is the ultimate goal, and guess what? They are good at it. One of the big things that civilian and military cadres are exposed to is videos of the fall of the Soviet Union, and scenes of high-level military officers and bureaucrats picking through trashcans for food. As bad as the Kims are, KJU is KIS's grandson, in a place where that matters, and most North Koreans see KIS as a righteous liberator of the Koreans from Japanese occupation. Most people in Nk have some buy-in into the system, and knowledge that bad can always turn to worse, so keeping on keeping on is the most rational personal strategy. |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 2:11:20 AM EST
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He needs to get some of that re-form
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Posted: 6/4/2015 2:33:52 AM EST
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I recommend a couple books on DPRK:
Under the Loving Care of the Fatherly Leader offers much more history but is heavier reading I thought it was still in my office but guess its loaned out,this is personal stories that show how effed it is and why they go along with it...mostly out of terror and conditioning 
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Posted: 6/4/2015 3:51:21 AM EST
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Nothing for him to loot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can someone shop Lootie into the original pic? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Nothing for him to loot. Just quoting you to show my appreciation... |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 4:00:15 AM EST
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I don't know if he's just deliberately trolling or what, but it's definitely become tiresome. He is butthurt and 'falls on his face' in religion threads with similar "arguments" so he posts stuff like that here. I think it is hilarious. Ends up doing the opposite of what he thinks he is accomplishing. |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 4:08:54 AM EST
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The thread derail was fucking retarded.
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Posted: 6/4/2015 4:24:17 AM EST
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I saw recently they were pushing for more tourism. They've built that new skiing place and have an awesome shooting range, there were a couple more things in the article. I'd be tempted to visit and see the place for myself. Remember it wasn't too long ago that they were the rich and prosperous Korea (heavily propped up by the SU) and the South was the backwards shit hole. I bet you could see some cool shit. Getting into the country is not the problem. |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 4:26:56 AM EST
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U.S. and South Korean soldiers escort a North Korean soldier, center, to repatriate him to North Korea at the truce village of Panmunjom in the demilitarised zone separating the two Koreas, about 55 km (31 miles) north of Seoul, Wednesday, Dec. 27, 2006. Two North Korean soldiers who drifted on a small boat in the East Sea and rescued by South Korean Navy vessels in the East Sea on December 9, were repatriated on Wednesday. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Out of random curiosity, what is the story behind this photo? U.S. and South Korean soldiers escort a North Korean soldier, center, to repatriate him to North Korea at the truce village of Panmunjom in the demilitarised zone separating the two Koreas, about 55 km (31 miles) north of Seoul, Wednesday, Dec. 27, 2006. Two North Korean soldiers who drifted on a small boat in the East Sea and rescued by South Korean Navy vessels in the East Sea on December 9, were repatriated on Wednesday. News stated that our guy is LTC Mike Anastasia. He was the United Nations Command Security Battalion commanding officer. |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 5:19:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have only my knowledge of history and many many decades of empirical observation. Take the Soviet Union for instance. An officially atheist state. Except the state itself was the religion. Or my friend that is a Randian Objectivist, for him Objectivism became his religion. Others I know substitute a worship of science as a religion, which since science is merely a tool (but indeed a very good tool) makes about as much sense as worshiping a hammer. Give me a couple of hours face to face with you and I'll figure out your religion, in fact I have a few suspicions along those lines already. Unless you are that rare 1%er that really has no religious impulse. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have only my knowledge of history and many many decades of empirical observation. Take the Soviet Union for instance. An officially atheist state. Except the state itself was the religion. Or my friend that is a Randian Objectivist, for him Objectivism became his religion. Others I know substitute a worship of science as a religion, which since science is merely a tool (but indeed a very good tool) makes about as much sense as worshiping a hammer. Give me a couple of hours face to face with you and I'll figure out your religion, in fact I have a few suspicions along those lines already. Unless you are that rare 1%er that really has no religious impulse. I suppose you should define the word "religion" before we go any further. I suspect you mean "something that you deeply believe" or some other nonsense....and after a couple hours you'll find something I deeply care about and say "aha! that's a religion!". Its nothing more than grasping at straws looking for weak correlations and proclaiming victory in my experience. Also, lay out your "few suspicions", so that I may have an idea about the topics you think are religions. As for communists, I never said that people being rational is the default condition, and I never said people aren't subject to brainwashing, and I never said that political leaders won't borrow from the playbook of religious indoctrination to get people behind them. North Korea and the other commie states are great examples of this. That said, I think the term "religion" in this context is so loosely used that it is just a BS catch all term that allows for things to be called religions that don't even resemble one another. "Your religion is soccer" doesn't mean that soccer is actually a religion, just that that person is an extreme fan of it (this is a person who may or may not have an ACTUAL religion as well) |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 5:22:55 AM EST
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He is butthurt and 'falls on his face' in religion threads with similar "arguments" so he posts stuff like that here. I think it is hilarious. Ends up doing the opposite of what he thinks he is accomplishing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know if he's just deliberately trolling or what, but it's definitely become tiresome. He is butthurt and 'falls on his face' in religion threads with similar "arguments" so he posts stuff like that here. I think it is hilarious. Ends up doing the opposite of what he thinks he is accomplishing. I just keep hearing how religion is like, you know, bad and stuff. So i like to keep up with what countries that got rid of god are doing. you know, just to see what a true atheist paradise would look like. shackled by the ignorance of growing up in a country run by the bible thumping christian taliban, its hard to see a future based in reason and logic. I have been to china. s. korea (never n. korea  ) and the soviet union disappeared before I could get there. Cuba looks interesting.
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Posted: 6/4/2015 5:27:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just keep hearing how religion is like, you know, bad and stuff. So i like to keep up with what countries that got rid of god are doing. you know, just to see what a true atheist paradise would look like. shackled by the ignorance of growing up in a country run by the bible thumping christian taliban, its hard to see a future based in reason and logic. I have been to china. s. korea (never n. korea ) and the soviet union disappeared before I could get there. Cuba looks interesting.Forward! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't know if he's just deliberately trolling or what, but it's definitely become tiresome. He is butthurt and 'falls on his face' in religion threads with similar "arguments" so he posts stuff like that here. I think it is hilarious. Ends up doing the opposite of what he thinks he is accomplishing. I just keep hearing how religion is like, you know, bad and stuff. So i like to keep up with what countries that got rid of god are doing. you know, just to see what a true atheist paradise would look like. shackled by the ignorance of growing up in a country run by the bible thumping christian taliban, its hard to see a future based in reason and logic. I have been to china. s. korea (never n. korea ) and the soviet union disappeared before I could get there. Cuba looks interesting.Forward! If religion were ever to be eliminated and the world turn out better it would have to be because rational skeptical people sat down and decided they didn't buy it, not because of some top down "You must not believe this because it is bad, you must be subject to a dear leader and the government". |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 5:34:22 AM EST
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But they didn't get rid of it. They still have a religion in North Korea. If religion were ever to be eliminated and the world turn out better it would have to be because rational skeptical people sat down and decided they didn't buy it, not because of some top down "You must not believe this because it is bad, you must be subject to a dear leader and the government". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know if he's just deliberately trolling or what, but it's definitely become tiresome. He is butthurt and 'falls on his face' in religion threads with similar "arguments" so he posts stuff like that here. I think it is hilarious. Ends up doing the opposite of what he thinks he is accomplishing. I just keep hearing how religion is like, you know, bad and stuff. So i like to keep up with what countries that got rid of god are doing. you know, just to see what a true atheist paradise would look like. shackled by the ignorance of growing up in a country run by the bible thumping christian taliban, its hard to see a future based in reason and logic. I have been to china. s. korea (never n. korea ) and the soviet union disappeared before I could get there. Cuba looks interesting.
Forward! If religion were ever to be eliminated and the world turn out better it would have to be because rational skeptical people sat down and decided they didn't buy it, not because of some top down "You must not believe this because it is bad, you must be subject to a dear leader and the government". so the future of atheism requires an inherent rationalism of every individual person? Whats plan B? |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 5:38:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The thread derail was fucking retarded. Well, look on the bright side: at least it's not a Civil War derail. It wasn't about slaves!!! |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 5:44:24 AM EST
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Well, look on the bright side: at least it's not a Civil War derail. It wasn't about slaves!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The thread derail was fucking retarded. Well, look on the bright side: at least it's not a Civil War derail. It wasn't about slaves!!! N. Korea/S. Korea provides a fascinating social experiment in what happens when the same people adopt a different culture. |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 7:02:56 AM EST
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Posted: 6/4/2015 7:13:20 AM EST
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this thread has derailed, we need more laughing at Kim!
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Posted: 6/4/2015 7:16:57 AM EST
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He's not fat.
He is simply wayyyy to short for his weight. Now if he was like 8'10".... |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 8:00:46 AM EST
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He doesn't look any fatter than chrispy creme to me. Agreed. |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 8:07:54 AM EST
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I was in Inchon doing an MRI install in the early 90s. I got whisked off to some Expo in Chengdu one weekend while I was there.
The NORKs had a exhibition hall. Went into the NORK hall and it was like stepping back into the 50s. I was talking to the guys with me about how I had not seen stuff like this since I was a little kid. The NORKs that were there came over, called me a liar and started in about how the US didn't have anything to compare to the glory of the "average" NORK home. It was a very surreal moment. I don't have any idea where the NORKs were staying because any hotel they would have been in would obviously have been more modern. I don't know how they would reconcile this with their "modern" living. I'm 6' and have spent a fair amount of time in Japan. I'm used to towering over the people around me. Especially the older people. The younger Japanese and Koreans, not so much. The NORKs that surrounded me to bereate over my lies were like having a bunch of little kids try to start a fight with you. None of them were over 5' tall. |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 8:10:43 AM EST
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News stated that our guy is LTC Mike Anastasia. He was the United Nations Command Security Battalion commanding officer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Out of random curiosity, what is the story behind this photo? U.S. and South Korean soldiers escort a North Korean soldier, center, to repatriate him to North Korea at the truce village of Panmunjom in the demilitarised zone separating the two Koreas, about 55 km (31 miles) north of Seoul, Wednesday, Dec. 27, 2006. Two North Korean soldiers who drifted on a small boat in the East Sea and rescued by South Korean Navy vessels in the East Sea on December 9, were repatriated on Wednesday. News stated that our guy is LTC Mike Anastasia. He was the United Nations Command Security Battalion commanding officer. That little nork guy knows he is a dead man walking. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 5:23:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so the future of atheism requires an inherent rationalism of every individual person? Whats plan B? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just keep hearing how religion is like, you know, bad and stuff. So i like to keep up with what countries that got rid of god are doing. you know, just to see what a true atheist paradise would look like. shackled by the ignorance of growing up in a country run by the bible thumping christian taliban, its hard to see a future based in reason and logic. I have been to china. s. korea (never n. korea ) and the soviet union disappeared before I could get there. Cuba looks interesting.Forward! If religion were ever to be eliminated and the world turn out better it would have to be because rational skeptical people sat down and decided they didn't buy it, not because of some top down "You must not believe this because it is bad, you must be subject to a dear leader and the government". so the future of atheism requires an inherent rationalism of every individual person? Whats plan B? Thing is, didn't I imply that is likely, or is even a realistic goal. Realistically "eliminating religion" throughout the world would probably look like the strongman tactics of the commies, which is obviously extremely less desireable than religious freedom, and freedom to criticize those religions. Only a statist fuckwad would say anything different. |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 5:26:13 PM EST
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So the elimination of religion from society is bad?
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Posted: 6/4/2015 5:31:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the elimination of religion from society is bad? |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 6:05:13 PM EST
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So the elimination of religion from society is bad? like murder? |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 6:21:03 PM EST
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I watch every youtube video when a non-North Korean visits there, and what stands out every time is that they aren't afraid of YOU as a foreigner, because that's obvious.
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Posted: 6/4/2015 7:17:16 PM EST
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So the elimination of religion from society is bad? Considering the near universality of religion across all human societies, it must fulfill some psychological human need and that means religion is not going away anytime soon, nor should it. But the old classic religions aren't serving as the stable reservoirs of meaning as well as they once did in the past. We are already seeing this in the increasing secularity of the west and the fractured and shallowness of religious identity even among many of those who still claim the old faiths. Thus one religious basket whines passive-aggressively of persecution whereas the other basket case takes up the sword in violence, while the real hunger and need goes unmet. At any rate, one day middle eastern myths will become completely senile and sclerotic and cease to function in any meaningful way and something else will take their place and role. Atheism is coming
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Posted: 6/5/2015 4:40:27 AM EST
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Considering the near universality of religion across all human societies, it must fulfill some psychological human need and that means religion is not going away anytime soon, nor should it. But the old classic religions aren't serving as the stable reservoirs of meaning as well as they once did in the past. We are already seeing this in the increasing secularity of the west and the fractured and shallowness of religious identity even among many of those who still claim the old faiths. Thus one religious basket whines passive-aggressively of persecution whereas the other basket case takes up the sword in violence, while the real hunger and need goes unmet. At any rate, one day middle eastern myths will become completely senile and sclerotic and cease to function in any meaningful way and something else will take their place and role. Atheism is coming
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So the elimination of religion from society is bad? Considering the near universality of religion across all human societies, it must fulfill some psychological human need and that means religion is not going away anytime soon, nor should it. But the old classic religions aren't serving as the stable reservoirs of meaning as well as they once did in the past. We are already seeing this in the increasing secularity of the west and the fractured and shallowness of religious identity even among many of those who still claim the old faiths. Thus one religious basket whines passive-aggressively of persecution whereas the other basket case takes up the sword in violence, while the real hunger and need goes unmet. At any rate, one day middle eastern myths will become completely senile and sclerotic and cease to function in any meaningful way and something else will take their place and role. Atheism is coming
Some countries completely abandoned those middle eastern myths one hundred years ago. two hundred years ago in some cases. this thread is dedicated to a country that stomped it out 70 years ago. so how did that go for them? Are you stating that all religions, and the cultures they created, are eseentially equal? |
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Posted: 6/5/2015 4:55:00 AM EST
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Cool Hand Luke 
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Posted: 6/5/2015 11:08:36 AM EST
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Some countries completely abandoned those middle eastern myths one hundred years ago. two hundred years ago in some cases. this thread is dedicated to a country that stomped it out 70 years ago. so how did that go for them? Are you stating that all religions, and the cultures they created, are eseentially equal? No, I am not saying that at all. Even the simplest observation of history and the world would quickly convince anyone that cultures aren't equal, religions aren't equal, and men aren't all equal. "Equality" has become the chain with which the weak seek to neutralize the strong, to conceal their own inability and devalue the achievements of the healthy strong and the actively smart. Where you and I differ in opinion in this regard is that you seem to say that it is "religion that makes culture" whereas I posit that "it's culture that makes religion" ... in other words, I think you are putting the cart before the horse
The ancient Greeks produced their greatest achievements while worshiping the Olympian gods, the Romans brought the light of civilization around the Mediterranean countries sitting like dumb frogs around a stale pond with Romans worshipping at the altar of father Jupiter, the Goths and the Norsemen built centers of wealth and power while drinking mead and praising Odin. Europe was destined for greatness because they sought it and strived for it and because their barbarian vitality and raw intelligence produced a culture that celebrated and rewarded achievement, not because they acquired a chronic infection from a sickly semitic viral idea, which they managed to turn into something finer anyway |
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