Yes. I don't think they had the basic understanding that this was not a national CCW permit law. It was strictly reciprocity like your drivers license.

As an active LEO I have a CHP from my local sheriff even though I don't technically need it. You never know when your agency will do weird things. The Colorado AG has ruled that even though state statute allows LEO's to carry off duty, it is not a right and the head of agency can limit it or not allow it.

With regard to retired credentials, in Colorado you don't need to be retired, just have served for 10 or more years and left under good terms. Some agencies are requiring a medical examination every year to go along with qualification on the range. There does not appear to be much consistency in what the qualification course looks like.

I don't know that LEOSA really gives the retired LEO much in the way of benefits. I do agree that national reciprocity for everyone is the way to go, if constitutional carry is not allowed. There has been some debate about local magazine size limits not applying to LEOSA, but I have never seen anything definitive.

A lot of departments require an officer to have an annual official qual sheet on any firearm they might use off duty. There is no way many us would be able to fulfill that requirement so you get a CCW permit and carry with it.

Go join a local PD, Sheriff's Department, or Constable. Get your basic LE cert and you can carry in NYC just like those NYPD officers went through the NYS version to get their basic LE cert and got hired.

If an agency forbids carrying off duty. You can't carry under the authority of the badge. Hence why FL passed a law that says any sworn officer can carry under the authority of chapter 790 (ccw) instead of chapter 943 (le) if the agency bars off duty carry. Talking with legal, if a sworn officer was barred from carrying off duty ny the agency, that *could* carry over to LEOSA.

Basically people fear the encroachment of the Federal Government and love States Rights, except when it doesn't suit them (like some states doing what they do) and they beg for encroachment by the Federal Government.

I bought US Law Shield for off duty carry.

Well, until National Reciprocity passes. LEOSA is the only answer. They can join a agency and qualify for it or they can sit on the sidelines.

LOL... I did more years pushing a marked unit on nights and weekends than I did riding a desk.

Since FDLE requires that we qualify individually with each class of weapon. We're issued two cards. One for Semi-Autos and another for Revolvers.

Depends on the agency. The last place I worked for, we qualed on our rifles, shotguns, and handguns. The training section kept the records and we got no cards. The agency prior to them, we were given a 3x5 piece of carbon paper with our qual records.

LEOSA only applies to handguns. Long guns have nothing to do with this. So being qualed on a agency MG doesn't mean anything anyways.  

LEOSA applies to the military too.

@Blacktide

More than CID.... US Army Counterintelligence (35L) qualifies since they are government employees and have arrest authority. Also of course US Army Military Police, US Navy Master at Arms, US Airforce Security Forces, US Coastguard Boarding Officers, etc.... plus the Army Criminal Investigation Command, Air Force Office of Special Investigations, Naval Criminal Investigative Service , and Coast Guard Investigative Service qualify too.

@Blacktide, these guys handle LEOSA for the military.

http://www.defenseconsultingservice.com/

I have CCW insurance and have a WI CCW permit for that exact reason.

That's Illinois, not the Federal Government.







New Jersey for example requires that their qualified separated officers get a "Retired Police Officer Permit to Carry" before they're eligible for LEOSA. No RPO, no gun. The Federal government has said bupkis about it. And the issue with Illinois was is Peterson allowed to possess such a gun under Illinois law as a cop. Basically reading the rendering, the State decided it wasn't worth the effort since they were going agter the guy for murder and had bigger fish to fry. So that said fuck it.

Additionally, since separated officers have to qualify yearly to carry. Good luck finding someone to qual you for a rifle or shotgun.

I had to qualify with a semiautomatic pistol and a revolver separately just so they're both covered because that is how FL is interpreting LEOSA since it states that qualified individuals must meet Stae or Agency qualification standards and FL requires specific qualifications for each type of firearm. Is it possible that if this is taken before a Federal court that they'd rule in a similar manner? Maybe. But at the moment. To err on the side of caution, LEOSA is for handguns only since there is no Federal ruling that says otherwise.

We do know that LEOSA currently on a Federal level does not exempt guns from AWB type laws. I can't carry a G17 with a threaded barrel and a 17rd mag in California. The 2019 LEOSA Reform Act is a bill that was submitted to Congress and addresses some of these issues. So the question about long guns is a legitimate issue.

LEOSA’s legislative history, as well as in some cases addressing the intention of the law as to the definition of firearm, may demonstrate that LEOSA applies to all firearms except those specifically exempted in the law.  However, those qualified under LEOSA must be aware of the current laws of their state on which firearms are permitted to be carried concealed.  Although LEOSA is a federal law and as such preempts any state law, qualified individuals should avoid getting themselves in a criminal prosecution that may or may not end up being dismissed since at the moment there is no Federal ruling on whether or not the carrying long guns are exempt from state law via LEOSA.

Since LEOSA is an Affirmative Defense. The only way to get a definitive answer is to have someone charged with violating a state law and it goes before a Federal Appeals Court and the court rules in the defendant's favor.