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Posted: 11/11/2021 3:20:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: something tells me that the authorities didnt try all too hard to find the assaulter Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Does anyone know the name of the guy who kicked Kyle, and dodged two bullets? Why isn’t he around in this trial? Damn good question! That asshole still has a date with a bullet he ought to keep! They couldn't figure out who he was. And thus couldn't track him down. something tells me that the authorities didnt try all too hard to find the assaulter |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 3:26:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a feeling weaponized autistic photog DeBruin is going to make sure Ziminski gets burned on the arson charges. Pun intended.  I really want Photochad to use his skills to fuck the DA over - maybe ruin his career, etc. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 3:27:57 AM EDT
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Anyone know how close the library is to the courtroom?
That judge was yelling so loud I actually am curious if the jury could hear him. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 3:36:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really want Photochad to use his skills to fuck the DA over - maybe ruin his career, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have a feeling weaponized autistic photog DeBruin is going to make sure Ziminski gets burned on the arson charges. Pun intended. I really want Photochad to use his skills to fuck the DA over - maybe ruin his career, etc. DeBruin didn't like seeing his town burned to the ground. He was glad his photos were being used to identify those responsible. But, when the state comes after you the way they did, even if over some misunderstanding, probably a misunderstanding that could have been easily cleared up if the state's attorneys really cared ... it's understandable for someone to say fuck it all and become very uncooperative. Especially after seeing how the Car Source Brothers stepped up to the plate. Having your life destroyed to prosecute someone who vandalized the Car Source place? Yeah, fuck that. Good luck, Sam. Good thing you guys only had, what did you say, $75 thousand dollars in damage? Yeah, go fuck yourselves if you think my life is worth that. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 3:38:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because it is only a minor assault charge, probably defensible by mistake of fact, and it doesn't even need such a defense if the state is contending that the initial shooting was not justified. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Does anyone know the name of the guy who kicked Kyle, and dodged two bullets? Why isn’t he around in this trial? Damn good question! That asshole still has a date with a bullet he ought to keep! They couldn't figure out who he was. And thus couldn't track him down. something tells me that the authorities didnt try all too hard to find the assaulter so by the state arguing that the initial shooting was not justified, their position leads to the dismissal of an assailant trying to stomp a victim's head into the pavement? i realize there are two answers to this. i know the first is that "yes, the criminal system has been completely turned biased." which continues to be proven true by my perception. the second answer, assuming this is not truly a clown world and we can rely on our justice system to do its job correctly and impartially... would that guy still be looking at a slap on the wrist at best...or dismissed before even investigated? it just sucks to hear how things have changed. asshole ada wanted to try and bust Kyle's chops for not having a drivers license, yet lefty grosskunt hasnt been charged for illegally carrying his glock. 
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Posted: 11/11/2021 3:38:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone know how close the library is to the courtroom? That judge was yelling so loud I actually am curious if the jury could hear him. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 3:39:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Binger was so focused on "Full metal jacket" because all his points were hollow. 
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Posted: 11/11/2021 3:48:15 AM EDT
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Watching this trial is absolutely infuriating. It is clear that the left does not even acknowledge the right to self defense. We are supposed to stand by while cities are burned to the ground and let them murder us. The behavior of the prosecution on this case is disgusting. It was all I could do not to smash my tv while watching it. It is obvious that this is about nothing more than politics.
Some will say it was poor judgement on his part to be there. Probably, considering the current political climate. However he is an idealistic kid who wanted to help people. 17 year olds like him were what built this country. 17 year old kids helped storm the beaches of Normandy. It is a sad state of affairs in our society that when the commie mobs came to burn our cities that it was left to a 17 year old kid to stand up to them because our political leaders and law enforcement abandoned us. Kyle Rittenhouse is not the only one on trial, we all are on trial and our ability to defend ourselves from commie mobs. This is a political persecution that reaches far beyond one kid. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 3:49:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so by the state arguing that the initial shooting was not justified, their position leads to the dismissal of an assailant trying to stomp a victim's head into the pavement? i realize there are two answers to this. i know the first is that "yes, the criminal system has been completely turned biased." which continues to be proven true by my perception. the second answer, assuming this is not truly a clown world and we can rely on our justice system to do its job correctly and impartially... would that guy still be looking at a slap on the wrist at best...or dismissed before even investigated? it just sucks to hear how things have changed. asshole ada wanted to try and bust Kyle's chops for not having a drivers license, yet lefty grosskunt hasnt been charged for illegally carrying his glock. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Does anyone know the name of the guy who kicked Kyle, and dodged two bullets? Why isn’t he around in this trial? Damn good question! That asshole still has a date with a bullet he ought to keep! They couldn't figure out who he was. And thus couldn't track him down. something tells me that the authorities didnt try all too hard to find the assaulter so by the state arguing that the initial shooting was not justified, their position leads to the dismissal of an assailant trying to stomp a victim's head into the pavement? i realize there are two answers to this. i know the first is that "yes, the criminal system has been completely turned biased." which continues to be proven true by my perception. the second answer, assuming this is not truly a clown world and we can rely on our justice system to do its job correctly and impartially... would that guy still be looking at a slap on the wrist at best...or dismissed before even investigated? it just sucks to hear how things have changed. asshole ada wanted to try and bust Kyle's chops for not having a drivers license, yet lefty grosskunt hasnt been charged for illegally carrying his glock. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 3:51:39 AM EDT
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I cannot remember another time in my short or long term memory how much I dislike someone as much as I do right at this moment as I watch this prosecutor.
Edit: Where the FUCK is his counsel during this badgering? WTF! |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 3:53:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not a grave assault. The guy might be able to claim mistake of fact, thinking he was disarming Kyle, after Kyle had shot somebody and was fleeing the scene. His force was less than what one might construe as deadly force, given the circumstances. But, even if his action of assault may have had the defense of mistake of facts, that doesn't mean he didn't present a reasonable belief of a threat of serious bodily injury to Kyle, and therefore, Kyle being justified in using deadly force against him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Does anyone know the name of the guy who kicked Kyle, and dodged two bullets? Why isn’t he around in this trial? Damn good question! That asshole still has a date with a bullet he ought to keep! They couldn't figure out who he was. And thus couldn't track him down. something tells me that the authorities didnt try all too hard to find the assaulter so by the state arguing that the initial shooting was not justified, their position leads to the dismissal of an assailant trying to stomp a victim's head into the pavement? i realize there are two answers to this. i know the first is that "yes, the criminal system has been completely turned biased." which continues to be proven true by my perception. the second answer, assuming this is not truly a clown world and we can rely on our justice system to do its job correctly and impartially... would that guy still be looking at a slap on the wrist at best...or dismissed before even investigated? it just sucks to hear how things have changed. asshole ada wanted to try and bust Kyle's chops for not having a drivers license, yet lefty grosskunt hasnt been charged for illegally carrying his glock. im hoping the jury can see this case through those eyes. FREE KYLE!!! |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 3:54:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After what the state tried on cross in this trial, I don't see how he is going to be a helpful state witness in the Ziminsky case. DeBruin didn't like seeing his town burned to the ground. He was glad his photos were being used to identify those responsible. But, when the state comes after you the way they did, even if over some misunderstanding, probably a misunderstanding that could have been easily cleared up if the state's attorneys really cared ... it's understandable for someone to say fuck it all and become very uncooperative. Especially after seeing how the Car Source Brothers stepped up to the plate. Having your life destroyed to prosecute someone who vandalized the Car Source place? Yeah, fuck that. Good luck, Sam. Good thing you guys only had, what did you say, $75 thousand dollars in damage? Yeah, go fuck yourselves if you think my life is worth that. I don't mean the other cases. Moonlight as a PI. Find out if he's cheating on his spouse. Photograph him drinking wine at douchebag conventions and then getting in his car. Do everything to just make the SOB fucking miserable. Remember, photochad is probably two fucks away from being a weaponized autist. The left has assured us that screaming at public officials in public, doxxing them, and recording everything they do is just "normal" behavior, |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 3:55:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Watching this trial is absolutely infuriating. It is clear that the left does not even acknowledge the right to self defense. We are supposed to stand by while cities are burned to the ground and let them murder us. The behavior of the prosecution on this case is disgusting. It was all I could do not to smash my tv while watching it. It is obvious that this is about nothing more than politics. Some will say it was poor judgement on his part to be there. Probably, considering the current political climate. However he is an idealistic kid who wanted to help people. 17 year olds like him were what built this country. 17 year old kids helped storm the beaches of Normandy. It is a sad state of affairs in our society that when the commie mobs came to burn our cities that it was left to a 17 yer old kid to stand up to them because our political leaders and law enforcement abandoned us. Kyle Rittenhouse is not the only one on trial, we all are on trial and our ability to defend ourselves from commie mobs. This is a political persecution that reaches far beyond one kid. Well said. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:01:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: im hoping the jury can see this case through those eyes. FREE KYLE!!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Does anyone know the name of the guy who kicked Kyle, and dodged two bullets? Why isn’t he around in this trial? Damn good question! That asshole still has a date with a bullet he ought to keep! They couldn't figure out who he was. And thus couldn't track him down. something tells me that the authorities didnt try all too hard to find the assaulter so by the state arguing that the initial shooting was not justified, their position leads to the dismissal of an assailant trying to stomp a victim's head into the pavement? i realize there are two answers to this. i know the first is that "yes, the criminal system has been completely turned biased." which continues to be proven true by my perception. the second answer, assuming this is not truly a clown world and we can rely on our justice system to do its job correctly and impartially... would that guy still be looking at a slap on the wrist at best...or dismissed before even investigated? it just sucks to hear how things have changed. asshole ada wanted to try and bust Kyle's chops for not having a drivers license, yet lefty grosskunt hasnt been charged for illegally carrying his glock. im hoping the jury can see this case through those eyes. FREE KYLE!!! |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:03:53 AM EDT
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Wow. Looks like F book went full stop and is censoring searches for Kyle Rittenhouse. Or so I am hearing from a few folks I know who are still on that Nazi platform.
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:04:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't mean the other cases. Moonlight as a PI. Find out if he's cheating on his spouse. Photograph him drinking wine at douchebag conventions and then getting in his car. Do everything to just make the SOB fucking miserable. Remember, photochad is probably two fucks away from being a weaponized autist. The left has assured us that screaming at public officials in public, doxxing them, and recording everything they do is just "normal" behavior, Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: After what the state tried on cross in this trial, I don't see how he is going to be a helpful state witness in the Ziminsky case. DeBruin didn't like seeing his town burned to the ground. He was glad his photos were being used to identify those responsible. But, when the state comes after you the way they did, even if over some misunderstanding, probably a misunderstanding that could have been easily cleared up if the state's attorneys really cared ... it's understandable for someone to say fuck it all and become very uncooperative. Especially after seeing how the Car Source Brothers stepped up to the plate. Having your life destroyed to prosecute someone who vandalized the Car Source place? Yeah, fuck that. Good luck, Sam. Good thing you guys only had, what did you say, $75 thousand dollars in damage? Yeah, go fuck yourselves if you think my life is worth that. I don't mean the other cases. Moonlight as a PI. Find out if he's cheating on his spouse. Photograph him drinking wine at douchebag conventions and then getting in his car. Do everything to just make the SOB fucking miserable. Remember, photochad is probably two fucks away from being a weaponized autist. The left has assured us that screaming at public officials in public, doxxing them, and recording everything they do is just "normal" behavior, Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:05:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After what the state tried on cross in this trial, I don't see how he is going to be a helpful state witness in the Ziminsky case. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have a feeling weaponized autistic photog DeBruin is going to make sure Ziminski gets burned on the arson charges. Pun intended. I really want Photochad to use his skills to fuck the DA over - maybe ruin his career, etc. He's honest to a fault.. you could tell that by his testimony. Yeah he might be (probably is) on the spectrum, but he's going to be honest in the Zimiski trial whether it helps those assholes or not. I hope the kid just gets hammered w/ photography work because of this and can leave his job at that bottling company he mentioned. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:06:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I cannot remember another time in my short or long term memory how much I dislike someone as much as I do right at this moment as I watch this prosecutor. Edit: Where the FUCK is his counsel during this badgering? WTF! |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:06:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Watching this trial is absolutely infuriating. It is clear that the left does not even acknowledge the right to self defense. We are supposed to stand by while cities are burned to the ground and let them murder us. The behavior of the prosecution on this case is disgusting. It was all I could do not to smash my tv while watching it. It is obvious that this is about nothing more than politics. Some will say it was poor judgement on his part to be there. Probably, considering the current political climate. However he is an idealistic kid who wanted to help people. 17 year olds like him were what built this country. 17 year old kids helped storm the beaches of Normandy. It is a sad state of affairs in our society that when the commie mobs came to burn our cities that it was left to a 17 yer old kid to stand up to them because our political leaders and law enforcement abandoned us. Kyle Rittenhouse is not the only one on trial, we all are on trial and our ability to defend ourselves from commie mobs. This is a political persecution that reaches far beyond one kid. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:08:43 AM EDT
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https://notthebee.com/article/narrative-control-facebook-wont-allow-you-to-search-for-kyle-rittenhouse-try-it-now
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:11:35 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. Looks like F book went full stop and is censoring searches for Kyle Rittenhouse. Or so I am hearing from a few folks I know who are still on that Nazi platform. But, hey, I'm not sure how you use facebook. It's a free country.  |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:15:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Approaching a case with painful objectivity is genuinely dangerous to your case. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Does anyone know the name of the guy who kicked Kyle, and dodged two bullets? Why isn’t he around in this trial? Damn good question! That asshole still has a date with a bullet he ought to keep! They couldn't figure out who he was. And thus couldn't track him down. something tells me that the authorities didnt try all too hard to find the assaulter so by the state arguing that the initial shooting was not justified, their position leads to the dismissal of an assailant trying to stomp a victim's head into the pavement? i realize there are two answers to this. i know the first is that "yes, the criminal system has been completely turned biased." which continues to be proven true by my perception. the second answer, assuming this is not truly a clown world and we can rely on our justice system to do its job correctly and impartially... would that guy still be looking at a slap on the wrist at best...or dismissed before even investigated? it just sucks to hear how things have changed. asshole ada wanted to try and bust Kyle's chops for not having a drivers license, yet lefty grosskunt hasnt been charged for illegally carrying his glock. im hoping the jury can see this case through those eyes. FREE KYLE!!! dangerous to the prosecution's case? i think that's what youre saying. legal talk is so damn tricky to follow. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:19:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: dangerous to the prosecution's case? i think that's what youre saying. legal talk is so damn tricky to follow. For either side. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:21:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I cannot remember another time in my short or long term memory how much I dislike someone as much as I do right at this moment as I watch this prosecutor. Edit: Where the FUCK is his counsel during this badgering? WTF! i think the ada went after someone yesterday, too and got them worked up trying to get them to slip up. might have been the photojournalist guy. he was pressing him hardcore and the defense council didnt interject. eta: both ada's are slimy tools |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:23:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The judge permanently disbarred him? I missed that part. And in on 225, the proper .22 centerfire cartridge for break barrel varmint guns. He definitely deserves it... but I'm at the very least glad the judge lit his ass up for it. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:27:16 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t believe he was ever identified nor did he come forward. Probably a Fed or an FBI CI. Was he wearing an IR strobe? |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:28:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The judge permanently disbarred him? I missed that part. And in on 225, the proper .22 centerfire cartridge for break barrel varmint guns. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:30:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My question is, in the event of a retrial, same judge or different? Because they were incredibly lucky to get this judge and a shit judge could really tank this thing. Probably different. This is why mistrial with prejudice is so important. No retrial, it's just over. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:31:16 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They couldn't figure out who he was. And thus couldn't track him down. I would bet my next paycheck there was a Stingray on that FBI drone flying overhead. Barring that, I bet google or any of the cell phone companies could tell you what all the cell phone numbers were of all the phones within say a 200 foot radius at the time of Misty Bicep’s dis-arming. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:33:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I cannot remember another time in my short or long term memory how much I dislike someone as much as I do right at this moment as I watch this prosecutor. Edit: Where the FUCK is his counsel during this badgering? WTF! Several of the reporters/bloggers were tweeting during breaks, the jury had stopped taking notes, and seemed uninterested in a majority of Kyle's testimony and probably felt he was being badgered by the Prosecutor... I'm assuming the Defense saw this and said, "hey, yeah he's getting hammered, but they don't give a shit and are clearly annoyed.. lets let this go a minute". I also think that was why the Prosecutor kept repeating questions over and over and over, because he saw the jury didn't give a shit, and he felt like it would eventually get to them if he did, it was really the only play he had. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:35:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Binger was so focused on "Full metal jacket" because all his points were hollow.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:38:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i think the ada went after someone yesterday, too and got them worked up trying to get them to slip up. might have been the photojournalist guy. he was pressing him hardcore and the defense council didnt interject. eta: both ada's are slimy tools Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I cannot remember another time in my short or long term memory how much I dislike someone as much as I do right at this moment as I watch this prosecutor. Edit: Where the FUCK is his counsel during this badgering? WTF! i think the ada went after someone yesterday, too and got them worked up trying to get them to slip up. might have been the photojournalist guy. he was pressing him hardcore and the defense council didnt interject. eta: both ada's are slimy tools There's a difference, the photographer was giving it right back to Lardo, and he didn't like it.. and the young man didn't fold to his badgering and gave very specific answers to the specific questions he was asking. The best.. .they were asking about some truck that caught fire.. "Was anyone in the truck"... "Well no, it was a flatbed".. Kyle had to be a little more careful about what and how he was saying things as he's facing prison time. The photographer wasn't under that threat. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:47:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Several of the reporters/bloggers were tweeting during breaks, the jury had stopped taking notes, and seemed uninterested in a majority of Kyle's testimony and probably felt he was being badgered by the Prosecutor... I'm assuming the Defense saw this and said, "hey, yeah he's getting hammered, but they don't give a shit and are clearly annoyed.. lets let this go a minute". I also think that was why the Prosecutor kept repeating questions over and over and over, because he saw the jury didn't give a shit, and he felt like it would eventually get to them if he did, it was really the only play he had. Listening to Barnes (via this link) talk, he says that's just the way Mark Richards is, he simply doesn't object. That's just infuriating, this kid needed help, he was getting tired and needed a break. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:47:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a difference, the photographer was giving it right back to Lardo, and he didn't like it.. and the young man didn't fold to his badgering and gave very specific answers to the specific questions he was asking. The best.. .they were asking about some truck that caught fire.. "Was anyone in the truck"... "Well no, it was a flatbed".. Kyle had to be a little more careful about what and how he was saying things as he's facing prison time. The photographer wasn't under that threat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I cannot remember another time in my short or long term memory how much I dislike someone as much as I do right at this moment as I watch this prosecutor. Edit: Where the FUCK is his counsel during this badgering? WTF! i think the ada went after someone yesterday, too and got them worked up trying to get them to slip up. might have been the photojournalist guy. he was pressing him hardcore and the defense council didnt interject. eta: both ada's are slimy tools There's a difference, the photographer was giving it right back to Lardo, and he didn't like it.. and the young man didn't fold to his badgering and gave very specific answers to the specific questions he was asking. The best.. .they were asking about some truck that caught fire.. "Was anyone in the truck"... "Well no, it was a flatbed".. Kyle had to be a little more careful about what and how he was saying things as he's facing prison time. The photographer wasn't under that threat. asked about a flatbed trailer tipped over. thought it was funny about the porta potty being tipped over. it stank lol. i been watching when i can but was busy this passed day so i basically missed it all. i heard some updates on this thread on 1640 the eagle with mike gallagher and bongino. also streamed a tiny bit. sorta glad i missed kyle losing it...reliving all that and being forced to remember it in detail and vocally recount it is different than passively listening and glazing over and suppressing the traumatic parts. this poor kid has a heart and in no way would have ever wanted anything like this to happen that night. went there to help but the evil found him |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:52:46 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. Looks like F book went full stop and is censoring searches for Kyle Rittenhouse. Or so I am hearing from a few folks I know who are still on that Nazi platform. I just went to Facebook and searched for Kyle Rittenhouse and got responses. Your indignation is unwarranted. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:54:34 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just went to Facebook and searched for Kyle Rittenhouse and got responses. Your indignation is unwarranted. I had zero just now. Then again, I'm in Iraq. YMMV. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:56:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had zero just now. Then again, I'm in Iraq. YMMV. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just went to Facebook and searched for Kyle Rittenhouse and got responses. Your indignation is unwarranted. I had zero just now. Then again, I'm in Iraq. YMMV. Just searched. FB said 777k are talking about this. Nothing else. No stories or posts. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 4:56:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was wondering about that, if the jury voted guilty if the judge could go “lol no, dismissed”. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Judge can order MISTRIAL after jury returns verdict. Very likely the judge is waiting to see what the jury does before ruling. Mistrial based on prosecutor’s grievous constitutional abuse is moot if jury rules NG on all counts. Moreover, if jury renders NG on some counts, same applies. Jeopardy attached, and NG counts cannot be retried. Prosecutor knows how well and truly fucked he is. It’s either acquittal on all counts, or prosecutor has to start over on any counts where jury renders guilty verdict. I was wondering about that, if the jury voted guilty if the judge could go “lol no, dismissed”. Worse optics than a Walmart red dot. The judge is already being accused of steering the trial in KR's favor; do this and the country will be in flames by spring. I'm not necessarily opposed. The trial itself, from the events leading up to it to the manner in which it's playing out, is a clear illustration of a society on the verge of collapse. We all know what's coming. 
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Posted: 11/11/2021 5:14:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Worse optics than a Walmart red dot. The judge is already being accused of steering the trial in KR's favor; do this and the country will be in flames by spring. I'm not necessarily opposed. The trial itself, from the events leading up to it to the manner in which it's playing out, is a clear illustration of a society on the verge of collapse. We all know what's coming. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Judge can order MISTRIAL after jury returns verdict. Very likely the judge is waiting to see what the jury does before ruling. Mistrial based on prosecutor’s grievous constitutional abuse is moot if jury rules NG on all counts. Moreover, if jury renders NG on some counts, same applies. Jeopardy attached, and NG counts cannot be retried. Prosecutor knows how well and truly fucked he is. It’s either acquittal on all counts, or prosecutor has to start over on any counts where jury renders guilty verdict. I was wondering about that, if the jury voted guilty if the judge could go “lol no, dismissed”. Worse optics than a Walmart red dot. The judge is already being accused of steering the trial in KR's favor; do this and the country will be in flames by spring. I'm not necessarily opposed. The trial itself, from the events leading up to it to the manner in which it's playing out, is a clear illustration of a society on the verge of collapse. We all know what's coming. It is my understanding that the defense is going to submit that the judge declare a mistrial over the prosecution's shenanigans, with prejudice, so they cannot retry the case. It's also my understanding that the judge can issue this ruling AFTER the defense rests. It would be the proper thing to do, considering the circumstances, in my non-professional opinion, but my faith in the justice system doesn't allow me to get excited about this prospect. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 5:25:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone please tell Lebron that the guys KR shot were white. King James doesn't have jurisdiction here. But they were shitbirds So they have that in common |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 5:27:57 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So whats the overall concensus here from our resident lawyers (no, not our "jailhouse" lawyers)? Kyle still have a chance? I watched his testamony today. He did well but for all the bs phishing DA did to get a gotcha moment, I could see some cracks he may have pried open a bit. So far the media is running with: if kyles found innocent it sets the presidence for others to interject themselves into situations they shouldn't be, protests, and armed. Its a bullshit narrative cause it seems they cant attack his innocence. And of course they're attacking the judge. Of course he has a chance. It is up to the jury, not the prosecutor. Nobody here has any idea how the jury actually views the evidence. Things observers think are important the jury may not care about and vice versa. The people in the courtroom can see the jury and have a better idea, but even when you are looking the jury in the eye during closing it can be very hard to tell what they are thinking. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 5:30:02 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is my understanding that the defense is going to submit that the judge declare a mistrial over the prosecution's shenanigans, with prejudice, so they cannot retry the case. It's also my understanding that the judge can issue this ruling AFTER the defense rests. It would be the proper thing to do, considering the circumstances, in my non-professional opinion, but my faith in the justice system doesn't allow me to get excited about this prospect. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Judge can order MISTRIAL after jury returns verdict. Very likely the judge is waiting to see what the jury does before ruling. Mistrial based on prosecutor’s grievous constitutional abuse is moot if jury rules NG on all counts. Moreover, if jury renders NG on some counts, same applies. Jeopardy attached, and NG counts cannot be retried. Prosecutor knows how well and truly fucked he is. It’s either acquittal on all counts, or prosecutor has to start over on any counts where jury renders guilty verdict. I was wondering about that, if the jury voted guilty if the judge could go “lol no, dismissed”. Worse optics than a Walmart red dot. The judge is already being accused of steering the trial in KR's favor; do this and the country will be in flames by spring. I'm not necessarily opposed. The trial itself, from the events leading up to it to the manner in which it's playing out, is a clear illustration of a society on the verge of collapse. We all know what's coming. It is my understanding that the defense is going to submit that the judge declare a mistrial over the prosecution's shenanigans, with prejudice, so they cannot retry the case. It's also my understanding that the judge can issue this ruling AFTER the defense rests. It would be the proper thing to do, considering the circumstances, in my non-professional opinion, but my faith in the justice system doesn't allow me to get excited about this prospect. Agreed. The prosecutor practically begged him to do it. They knew what they were doing. If the judge lets testimony finish and then rules and dismisses the case w/ prejudice.. This allows the case to go away for the prosecution, they can claim a bias from the judge, Defense can claim it was a wrongful prosecution and should have never happened, w/o a verdict. The jurors will get to live the rest of their lives free from harassment. In the end, the judge and Kyle will take the most heat.. It'll take some serious stones though. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 5:36:09 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is my understanding that the defense is going to submit that the judge declare a mistrial over the prosecution's shenanigans, with prejudice, so they cannot retry the case. It's also my understanding that the judge can issue this ruling AFTER the defense rests. It would be the proper thing to do, considering the circumstances, in my non-professional opinion, but my faith in the justice system doesn't allow me to get excited about this prospect. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Judge can order MISTRIAL after jury returns verdict. Very likely the judge is waiting to see what the jury does before ruling. Mistrial based on prosecutor’s grievous constitutional abuse is moot if jury rules NG on all counts. Moreover, if jury renders NG on some counts, same applies. Jeopardy attached, and NG counts cannot be retried. Prosecutor knows how well and truly fucked he is. It’s either acquittal on all counts, or prosecutor has to start over on any counts where jury renders guilty verdict. I was wondering about that, if the jury voted guilty if the judge could go “lol no, dismissed”. Worse optics than a Walmart red dot. The judge is already being accused of steering the trial in KR's favor; do this and the country will be in flames by spring. I'm not necessarily opposed. The trial itself, from the events leading up to it to the manner in which it's playing out, is a clear illustration of a society on the verge of collapse. We all know what's coming. It is my understanding that the defense is going to submit that the judge declare a mistrial over the prosecution's shenanigans, with prejudice, so they cannot retry the case. It's also my understanding that the judge can issue this ruling AFTER the defense rests. It would be the proper thing to do, considering the circumstances, in my non-professional opinion, but my faith in the justice system doesn't allow me to get excited about this prospect. They already did, immediately after the lunch break yesterday. I'm all for mistrial + prejudice, but if it's declared after the jury delivers a verdict it's going to give the appearance of the judge circumventing the legal system - even if he has every right and it's perfectly legal to do so. The left will use it to fan the flames and the moronic public will nod and screech and carry it to the streets. Of course, any outcome that doesn't result in KR going to prison will probably have the same effect, but doing it after the jury verdict will almost certainly ramp up the intensity. Maybe we need that... I'm not sure which is worse, total collapse or teetering on the edge. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 5:40:22 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only problem I have with Rittenhouse, is why the hell was he even there? But but he's 17. Yeah...so are a bunch of the protesters we had to see burn shit,beat people and dance on cop cars all fucking summer. Or do we need to add an age amendment to our constitution " for 18 and older only " ... |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 5:43:07 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They already did, immediately after the lunch break yesterday. I'm all for mistrial + prejudice, but if it's declared after the jury delivers a verdict it's going to give the appearance of the judge circumventing the legal system - even if he has every right and it's perfectly legal to do so. The left will use it to fan the flames and the moronic public will nod and screech and carry it to the streets. Of course, any outcome that doesn't result in KR going to prison will probably have the same effect, but doing it after the jury verdict will almost certainly ramp up the intensity. Maybe we need that... I'm not sure which is worse, total collapse or teetering on the edge. I'm thinking he rules on the motion after testimony, but before the jury gets the trial. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:07:16 AM EDT
[#46]
Quoted: Agreed. The prosecutor practically begged him to do it. They knew what they were doing. If the judge lets testimony finish and then rules and dismisses the case w/ prejudice.. This allows the case to go away for the prosecution, they can claim a bias from the judge, Defense can claim it was a wrongful prosecution and should have never happened, w/o a verdict. The jurors will get to live the rest of their lives free from harassment. In the end, the judge and Kyle will take the most heat.. It'll take some serious stones though. Quoted: They already did, immediately after the lunch break yesterday. I'm all for mistrial + prejudice, but if it's declared after the jury delivers a verdict it's going to give the appearance of the judge circumventing the legal system - even if he has every right and it's perfectly legal to do so. The left will use it to fan the flames and the moronic public will nod and screech and carry it to the streets. Of course, any outcome that doesn't result in KR going to prison will probably have the same effect, but doing it after the jury verdict will almost certainly ramp up the intensity. Maybe we need that... I'm not sure which is worse, total collapse or teetering on the edge. Wholeheartedly agree with both of you. The best time to declare a mistrial with prejudice would be after defense rests but before jury instruction. This would save jury from leftist wraith but paint an enormous bullseye on him. As much as I would admire and respect such a moral, ethical and judicious decision, I simply don’t believe he will, simply out of a fear of retribution for him or his family. Can’t say I blame him, but I’m not a judge, who is bound to a fiduciary responsibility to deliver justice. All of that is easy to say when my ass isn’t on the line... I’m not the one who has to face the mob. But at some point, we must uphold law and order, right.  Right? Right? 
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:18:11 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ... All of that is easy to say when my ass isn’t on the line... I’m not the one who has to face the mob. But at some point, we must uphold law and order, right. Right? Right? Pretty ironic that the trial itself is centered around a young man who did that very thing. I'd like to think I have the cajones to do the same if and when the time comes, but I don't think any of us can say for sure until we get there. It will be a travesty of justice if this man forced to look death in the eye for doing what he thought was right is now imprisoned by the same twisted ideology that put him in that position in the first place. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:24:23 AM EDT
[#48]
If the judge were on the left, does anyone doubt for a second they would use any legal option, with zero fucks given about retribution.
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:37:41 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They already did, immediately after the lunch break yesterday. Not what I saw/heard. He only threatened to declair mistrial with prejudice IF the DA kept up whatever he was doing is how I heard it. I remember because I kept thinking "why didnt he ask for a mistrial right then and there???!" |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:45:52 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Watching this trial is absolutely infuriating. It is clear that the left does not even acknowledge the right to self defense. We are supposed to stand by while cities are burned to the ground and let them murder us. The behavior of the prosecution on this case is disgusting. It was all I could do not to smash my tv while watching it. It is obvious that this is about nothing more than politics. Some will say it was poor judgement on his part to be there. Probably, considering the current political climate. However he is an idealistic kid who wanted to help people. 17 year olds like him were what built this country. 17 year old kids helped storm the beaches of Normandy. It is a sad state of affairs in our society that when the commie mobs came to burn our cities that it was left to a 17 year old kid to stand up to them because our political leaders and law enforcement abandoned us. Kyle Rittenhouse is not the only one on trial, we all are on trial and our ability to defend ourselves from commie mobs. This is a political persecution that reaches far beyond one kid. This. Every word of this. |
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