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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:49:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: State's witness Lackowksi had already testified that he cleared the glock, so not sure if that was all that relevant. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: not sure why she was used as a witness on clearing a malf They also used her because she collected a live .40 round from the Glock that wasn't in the magazine |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:50:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have been involved in killing people before. I would do it again if I had to; but, if it can be avoided, I certainly never want to kill anyone again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: His life is not "ruined". If he's smart he'll parlay this whole thing into a great, easy life. If he's lucky hell get to add to his body/ capture count like Zimmerman did with the crazy road rage lady I've never killed anyone. I don't ever want to kill anyone. If I ever have to kill someone, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that I wouldn't ever want to do it again. Call me crazy. I have been involved in killing people before. I would do it again if I had to; but, if it can be avoided, I certainly never want to kill anyone again. I’ve never killed anyone either, but I’ve known people who have. Dad was a combat vet. Never spoke a word to me about killing people and I had the sense not to ask. His dad was a WWII vet from the Pacific Theater; their mom enforced a very strict rule that grandpa was never to be asked ANYTHING about the war, ever. I have never met anyone who enjoyed talking about killing and watching others get killed. If you meet someone who’s been there/done that and they want to do it again, you’ve got a psycho on your hands. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:50:16 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm going with Kyle was focused on the pistol and that is why he shot GG in his arm. The AR went to where his eyes were pointed. I agree. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:50:30 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To tie to Grosstkruetz testimony claiming that kyle didn't accept his surrender, by cycling his rifle to make it ready to fire again. Closing the distance with pistol in hand? Who the hell would take that as a surrender? |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:50:40 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Drew Hernandez is very much not pro-Antifa. He's pretty right-leaning, just go to his twitter to see. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ANTIFA "journalist" on stand now or is he pro Kyle? Kind of surprised that the prosecution did not object to the mention of the words "antifa" and "rioters". |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:50:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: not sure why she was used as a witness on clearing a malf |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:51:02 PM EDT
[#7]
This doesn’t matter one bit as far as the trial goes, but the ADA’s voice is a dead match for the actor Rob Lowe. I had been wondering why he sounded so familiar, and now I can’t help but think of the character Rob Lowe played in Wayne’s World when listening to ADA speak lol
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:51:12 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Prosecutor is going for failure to eject and Kyle manual cycled the action to eject the case and load the next round So would that motherfucker with ten thugs advancing on him with malicious intent. 
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:51:13 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: State's witness Lackowksi had already testified that he cleared the glock, so not sure if that was all that relevant. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: not sure why she was used as a witness on clearing a malf They also used her because she collected a live .40 round from the Glock that wasn't in the magazine |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:51:26 PM EDT
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"Kyle tried to deescalate the situation" (i.e., from the news person at the scene in real time).
Not good for the ADA. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:51:28 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And verified that the guy who cleared the LOADED Glock when he picked it up after GG dropped it. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:51:31 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm going with Kyle was focused on the pistol and that is why he shot GG in his arm. The AR went to where his eyes were pointed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: To tie to Grosstkruetz testimony claiming that kyle didn't accept his surrender, by cycling his rifle to make it ready to fire again. Yup. And the video is pretty clear...as soon as Kyle turns his head, the dude moves in for the head shot. Kyle picks up on the movement and does work. I'm going with Kyle was focused on the pistol and that is why he shot GG in his arm. The AR went to where his eyes were pointed. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:51:43 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Closing the distance with pistol in hand? Who the hell would take that as a surrender? Yeah it's ludicrous but that was Grosskreutz's testimony. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:51:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of surprised that the prosecution did not object to the mention of the words "antifa" and "rioters". The judge pretty much torpedoed that early on I believe. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:52:06 PM EDT
[#15]
Commentator guy is awesome.
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:52:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole purpose was to contradict state's witnesses stating Kyle "reracked" the AR i.e. cleared a jam. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: not sure why she was used as a witness on clearing a malf They also used her because she collected a live .40 round from the Glock that wasn't in the magazine I agree, but so what if he did re rack the rifle? How is that a negative, especially given Kyle was right in the middle of a hostile crowd? |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:52:26 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Grossarm claims Kyle cleared a malfunction in attempt to shoot him. Okay, but it sounds like that's what Grossarm did as they found a 40 round on the ground? So he just projected his own action onto Kyle? |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:53:11 PM EDT
[#18]
The detectives sitting next to the prosecution is not good.
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:53:30 PM EDT
[#19]
#TRIGGERED
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:53:33 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. He testified he didn't know where he had shot him. Makes the choice to not shoot until the guy with the pistol threatening him is on the ground even more odd if he didn't know he had blew half his right arm away. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Kyle was trying to shoot the pistol out of Pink Mist’s hand like the Lone Ranger did! He just missed slightly! Yeah. He testified he didn't know where he had shot him. Makes the choice to not shoot until the guy with the pistol threatening him is on the ground even more odd if he didn't know he had blew half his right arm away. People and officers do this in a lot of shootings. Biggest threat is the firearm and they tend to instinctively aim for it. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:53:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No unspent 223 casing found. Establish, thoroughly, the amount of motion needed to clear an FTE. Because no such motion can be seen on any video. Or photos. This action is only alleged by GG. I’m also wondering if they may also use the time intervals between the total shots fired in that portion to argue that it would’ve nearly been impossible for him to chamber a new round |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:53:39 PM EDT
[#22]
Flaming dumpster. Entertainment quotient has increased by an order of magnitude.
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:53:40 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of surprised that the prosecution did not object to the mention of the words "antifa" and "rioters". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ANTIFA "journalist" on stand now or is he pro Kyle? Kind of surprised that the prosecution did not object to the mention of the words "antifa" and "rioters". |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:54:27 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Commentator guy is awesome. Dude is fucking SOLID |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:54:46 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This doesn’t matter one bit as far as the trial goes, but the ADA’s voice is a dead match for the actor Rob Lowe. I had been wondering why he sounded so familiar, and now I can’t help but think of the character Rob Lowe played in Wayne’s World when listening to ADA speak lol LITERALLY |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:54:53 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The detectives sitting next to the prosecution is not good. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:55:01 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many rounds does that model of Glock hold in a magazine? 9 in the mag, one on the ground.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:55:06 PM EDT
[#28]
Rosenbaum should have been buried in his dumpster.
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:55:18 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many rounds does that model of Glock hold in a magazine? 9 in the mag, one on the ground. Std mag is 9 |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:55:23 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude is fucking SOLID YUP!!! He should be doing the questioning and not Richards. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:56:01 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Closing the distance with pistol in hand? Who the hell would take that as a surrender? He did a bunch of stuff while closing the distance. Had a gun but kyle was dealing with another guy, when Kyle saw him he reacted with his gun then pistol brow threw his hands up "dont shoot bro!" then when kyle reacted to "no threat" he tried to take advantage with a real threat and thats when he got shot. watch it here in slow motion [youtube]iryQSpxSlrg?t=16[/youtube] |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:56:02 PM EDT
[#32]
Would like to see the defense ask this witness, for example:
Did Kyle at any time threaten, provoke, or aim his rifle at the protestors ? |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:56:32 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Saving their shot for cross where they will probably bring up that he's very pro-right, is my guess. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ANTIFA "journalist" on stand now or is he pro Kyle? Kind of surprised that the prosecution did not object to the mention of the words "antifa" and "rioters". Probably. I am sure prosecution knows he is a right leaning guy and it will be addressed aggressively in cross. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:56:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: None of us have seen it in any of the video. The prosecution doesn't allege it can be seen in a video, not even with iPhone superpinchzoom. But GG claims this happened. And this claim is kind of crucial to how GG made his second advance on KR. He committed perjury during his testimony, so I really don't consider his testimony credible, especially since Kyle didn't clear anything. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:56:53 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay, but it sounds like that's what Grossarm did as they found a 40 round on the ground? So he just projected his own action onto Kyle? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Grossarm claims Kyle cleared a malfunction in attempt to shoot him. Okay, but it sounds like that's what Grossarm did as they found a 40 round on the ground? So he just projected his own action onto Kyle? |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:57:04 PM EDT
[#36]
Drew is doing a good job of describing what he observed that night.
Surprised LF isn't objecting though. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:57:08 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Commentator guy is awesome. Yup, the ADA is in BIG trouble. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:57:11 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The detectives sitting next to the prosecution is not good. Being employed by the state\city\gov they're part of the State prosecution's side I guess. Sitting on the defendants side would appeal biased, the State side is assumed to be neutral. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:57:14 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay, but it sounds like that's what Grossarm did as they found a 40 round on the ground? So he just projected his own action onto Kyle? No, he pointed a loaded gun with round chambered at KR. The gun was picked up after GG was shot and dropped the Glock. The guy who picked it up cleared it, and that round was collected by police. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:57:16 PM EDT
[#40]
Man, watching this all again, Rosenbaum’s behavior is such a good illustration of how it only takes one match to ignite a raging inferno. Really good lesson to remember
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:57:37 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree, but so what if he did re rack the rifle? How is that a negative, especially given Kyle was right in the middle of a hostile crowd? |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:57:53 PM EDT
[#42]
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:58:06 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The prosecution showed numerous videos where prejudicial terms like "militia" were in the vids. The witness should be able to describe the points with reference to what is in the video to make it plain to the jury. This is just the DA generating confusion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The defense it making very good points that the jury should know the overall timing of the events. But, if the defense didn't pull an all nighter to modify their presentation to remove the text labels containing subjective observation ... that's poor form ... all of this could be for not. The prosecution showed numerous videos where prejudicial terms like "militia" were in the vids. The witness should be able to describe the points with reference to what is in the video to make it plain to the jury. This is just the DA generating confusion. The "militia" labels were all done in real time by participants/observers. These aren't ex post facto characterizations, nor characterization that would require expert opinion. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:58:08 PM EDT
[#44]
Still surprised the guy with the microphone cap style fro didn't clown the dead pedo when he started throwing the N word around.
Guess you get an "N word" pass if you are antifa. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:58:28 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm going with Kyle was focused on the pistol and that is why he shot GG in his arm. The AR went to where his eyes were pointed. The "Active Self Protection" guy on YouTube always says that the the eyes may be the windows to the soul, but the hands reveal intent. I'm not a huge fan of his schtick, but those are definitely wise words. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:59:09 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: To tie to Grosstkruetz testimony claiming that kyle didn't accept his surrender, by cycling his rifle to make it ready to fire again. Yup. And the video is pretty clear...as soon as Kyle turns his head, the dude moves in for the head shot. Kyle picks up on the movement and does work. I'm going with Kyle was focused on the pistol and that is why he shot GG in his arm. The AR went to where his eyes were pointed. It's the reason why I wear gloves when we do force on force with simms. I've been shot in the hands many times. It hurts. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:59:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think Prosecution (littlefinger) asserts he manually charged the AR after the first shot in the 2nd event. As in it was deliberate or something. I never got the point of that, why he thinks thats important..as if it would un-do the self defense argument or something. A gun cant be used for self defense if you know it had a jam and needs to be charged again, so even if KR did charge the AR whats the big deal? I think they are arguing that GG had "surrendered" to Kyle, then Kyle allegedly tried to shoot him anyway, had a malf, and that's why GG ran at him pointing his Glock at Kyle's head. Kyle says no malf, only tried (and succeeded) to shoot him after GG aggressively came at him and pointed Glock. They are (i think) basically trying to say that it wasn't self defense bc he tried to kill someone who had "surrendered". Obviously the defense says that's not what happened. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:59:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay, but it sounds like that's what Grossarm did as they found a 40 round on the ground? So he just projected his own action onto Kyle? NO. The round was cleared after he was shot. 
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Posted: 11/11/2021 2:00:05 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, watching this all again, Rosenbaum’s behavior is such a good illustration of how it only takes one match to ignite a raging inferno. Really good lesson to remember Yeah with Ziminsky edging him on. I don't know if Ziminsky is a chaotic completely fucking moror or psychopath, or if he's an FBI CI. Probably both. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 2:00:25 PM EDT
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Kyle walking behind Rosebum at trash can fire.
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